Lost confidence/riding buddy from hell

keelind

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Hi guys, some outside advice or opinions would be really great. This is two very different issues combining into one and I'm at my wits end. It's mostly just drama from start to finish, so apologies for the wall of text and venting at you all. This isn't exactly how I wanted to make my debut on the forum :(

In august I answered a local ad seeking a rider for a horse whose absent owner is at university and has no time for him. The horse does have a few problems the stable manager warned me about. He's a swedish warmblood gelding named Zack (I live in sweden, though I'm a brit!) and very sweet and affectionate around the stables, but he hasn't been ridden in so long he has become stable bound and also bound to his field mate. The minute he is out of sight of either he starts whinnying like mad. The stable manager also warned Zack is very 'sensitive' after a terrible experience - when the owner started uni she arranged for the horse to be sent to another stable yard to live with another rider on loan, and after six months when the owner went to check up on Zack she found he was just a skeleton standing in a wet field. He was hauled back home right away and the manager has since been feeding him up and arranging for vet checks, but he has zero muscle condition and is quite nervy and jumpy when exposed to new things. The vet also advised Zack should go shoeless due to thrush which had developed on all feet in the wet field and transition to being barefoot, so he'd about mid way through that.

In spite of all this Zack and me bonded and he's turned out to be one of the most loving and gentle horses I've ever met.

About the time I started riding again, the owner of my horse who shares a field with mine ruptured a disk in her back from a fall :( so she was also looking for a replacement rider. A friend of mine volunteered to take over. She's a friend because my partner and her husband are really good buddies who have grown up together. Neither she nor I clicked and not for lack of trying, but it's never been a problem. We get along fine when we're together. So when she said she'd be riding with me I was actually excited because we'd have something in common and might become closer. Plus having a riding buddy with such a nervy horse seemed ideal, especially since the horse is Zack's field mate.

From the very first day we rode out together things went pretty sour. Back then I couldn't trot Zack on the track because he was unused to being barefoot and hadn't long recovered from thrush and an absess on his front feet due to his mistreatment. That and his muscles were so wasted he used to just trip and stumble anyway, and standing on stones was obviously very painful for him. But all my riding buddy wanted to do was trot. It didn't matter how many times I told her about Zack's problems with his feet she would just trot off, and since Zack is terrified to be away from her horse he'd trot right after until I begged my riding 'buddy' to stop, which she would for all of five minutes before trotting again because 'walking isn't exercising'.

After that I did my best to avoid her and ride alone, and she left us in peace.

Zack and I moved in baby steps and I'm proud to say that two months later we can go out 5km from the stables without him becoming nervy and every ride we add that little bit more. We've also begun trotting very small stretches and his stumbling and limping over stones has almost vanished and his feet are getting better every week :) They're almost perfect now!

Just recently my riding buddy pestered me to start riding out with her again, in front of our partners which made it awkward for me to refuse. Because Zack is stronger I gave in and thought well why not? In two months she hasn't ventured beyond the stables 'because it's not safe to ride alone' and has only ridden in our paddock or driven the horse by trailer to the local riding school for an indoor lesson in their arena, but her horse has become stale and has started to kick out with one hind and to hold her head sideways at an angle when asked to trot. I agreed we could ride together in spite of my misgivings to give the horse some relief. So we rode out together again and she was still annoying about wanting to trot EVERYWHERE but it didn't matter in the same way. The only bad point was that Zack picked up his old clingy habits instantly bonded like glue to his field mate and was more nervy than he would have been alone, but we coped and the ride went well. We rode out a few of more times without disasters and although she's obviously in control when we're out (I'm just there as a security blanket and to give directions) it was good that we might finally be able to be on good terms with one another.

Last friday the weather turned and sweden had 30cm of snow fall in one day (I hear the UK has something similar right now? :D ) It's -14 degrees and more snow falls every day!

I was excited about my first ride in 'real' snow. My riding buddy messaged me the night before asking if we could go out 'since it's safer' and I thought maybe she had a point this once.

We went out and it was amazing at first. We decided to go out on a longer track which follows an old road rarely used and is never ploughed or gritted, so it's all fresh new snow, knee deep. When we were quite some distance out a wagon turned out of the forest pulling an open metal trailer with wooden branches bouncing in the back, banging and making a terrible racket. Both our horses freaked out and Zack bolted, but I managed to steer him into a field. He wheeled around in a few circles then slowed into a frantic walk with his head straight up in the air. I kept him walking in circles until my riding buddy came close, but he wasn't showing any signs of calming down. So my riding buddy turned and started to ride off. I felt Zack getting ready to run after her so I shouted for her to come back and wait in the field for two or three minutes unti Zack was calmer. My riding buddy shouted 'it's too cold to just stand around'. When they turned the corner and vanished behind a hedge Zack carted me through a snow filled ditch that surrounds the field and half hopped/climbed through the hedge. He stopped as soon as he reached the other horse but I was shaking by then. My riding buddy stopped to see what had happened, but at that exact moment the wind shook a huge lump of snow from a tree branch and spooked both our horses again, and Zack slipped and fell :(

I've no idea how, but neither of us was hurt. I stayed off him and started to lead him home. My riding buddy asked where I was going and I said home. She said if I didn't ride on he would 'win' and 'you're just scared because he fell' and that if I had stayed with her it wouldn't have happened. I said I didn't care and carried on walking. So she dithered about for a bit and turned off in the other direction. I walked off heading down the road for home and after a few minutes I heard the sound of her horse coming up behind us in the snow. She trotted right past us and the first thing Zack did was lift his head and try to canter after her dragging me with him. I yelled at her and for once she actually listened. She said she would ride along the route we had picked as planned and turned around and set off. I managed to walk home with Zack feeling bruised and shaky but just glad that he was finally calm. The minute my riding buddy vanished he whinnied a few times but decided he'd rather go home. The rest of the way he was calm as if nothing had happened and gave me no more trouble.

When I got to the stables I told the manager we'd had a slip because he got spooked, but nothing else. We checked out Zack and found he was perfectly sound, so I dried him and put him in his stall. By the time this was done my riding buddy turned up saying her horse wouldn't go alone and she had to turn back for home as well and how rubbish the whole ride had been, and asked if I'd help her untack. I just gave her a flat no and walked off to meet my partner who was waiting.

Since that day she sent me two texts asking if I wanted to go out, saying 'we can just stick to the paddock since you're scared' and both times I've told her no and that I'll ride alone. The next time I turned up to ride, there she was waiting for me, suggesting we go out together. I saw to the horse and went straight back home without riding. She knows I'm angry with her but she won't broach the subject and so long as she leaves me alone I won't either. I'm quite clear that I want nothing more to do with her. For now my partner has been making excuses as he knows I'm not ready to go anywhere near her, but it can't last forever because it's impacting his friendship with her husband.

To cap it off the only times this week I've managed to evade her and ride out alone Zack would NOT leave the stable yard with me on his back. I can't get him to go past the gate until I hop off and lead him out again, so we end up walking a short way and back. I feel like a fugitive and don't want to be at the stable if she is there. And I'm pretty certain that the emotional baggage I'm carrying around right now, plus the accident, is what has suddenly caused Zack to go back to square one :(

My confidence gone :( I know it's silly given that nothing tragic happened and we're both safe, but how can I reassure Zack and make him feel confident to ride out again?? In the autumn on dry track it wasn't an issue if he spooked, but now in deep snow I'm worried and the snow will stay until the thaw in May :confused: and how do I get over feeling nervous? Days later I feel like I should be over it and have moved on by now, but the fact is I'm not. And any tips on how to get over being totally infuriated just by looking at a person is much appreciated too.
 
She sounds lik she doesnt hav a clue, id tell her where to go n get a new ridin partner or go it alone with someone bikin ?

A horse forgot silly things like tht, my advice wld be get back on and tell urself a horse lives in the present not the past, why shld i.

You sound to be a caring person with the horses interest at heart nd good on yah
 
How horrible for you, she is obviously completely lacking in empathy. I assume you have looked at the alternatives such as moving yards - even if just for a couple of weeks to give you a break?

I think you have to be fairly up front with the whole thing in front of her partner .... when your partner is about too. Not about the whole story (but why not when I think about it, if you think it will help your case), but just say something along the lines that at the moment you need to get your horse more confident about being out on his own before riding with anyone else, so as and when you are ready to ride in company you will let her know. Brief your partner first so he can support you.

Be definite, so that there is no mistaking you mean it.

Before riding with her again - or anyone else again - is there anyone else you can work with to practice your horse working independently from other horses as it sounds as if that would help your both your confidence ..... to be honest that may be something you could start to do with her in the school as you now have to train her as well as your horse?

Good luck, it is a horrible situation but you sound resourceful enough to find a way through it.
 
Is there anyone else you could hack with instead? Even if its just your partner on foot?
And for her, I'd tell her clearly but calmly why you are so annoyed, getting it off your chest works wonders. You don't need to have a blazing row, but it could clear the air enough for you to be civilized when you are forced to socialize through your partner.
 
What a selfish cow - keep well away from her she will have you killed at this rate - i am fuming on your behalf - her behaviour is disgusting.

I second talking to the ym and seeing what you can sort out with her - you should always go at the ability or pace of the lowest common denominator
 
I wouldn't care less that it was affecting your partners relationship with her partner. She sounds thoughtless, immature and quite frankly a liability and I wouldn't want to hack out with her either. I would find another riding buddy and enjoy your time with Zack and not give her another moment's thought.
 
PS I am sure you will have lots of good advice on here how to help Zack get his his confidence on hacking out, but don't discount hypnotherepy if you find you really can't move on from this incident. It is IMO particularly good at helping specific incidences being put in their box. I have used a girl - who was recommended by a top local showjumper, so there really is no shame.

If you don't have a local person, Jo Cooper apparently does it by phone and has been highly recommded on here (if you do a search lot of people have used her).
 
Well done with Zack so far, it sounds like you have made huge progress.

What is the situation with the owner of the horse that your riding "buddy" is currently riding. Is this just a short term problem?

Agree with others who have suggested getting someone to walk with you if you have nobody else who can ride with you. I would also stay well away from this girl. Keep your head down and do your own thing. Can your partner not talk to her husband and explain the situation and maybe say you need some space with Zack to get through this sticky patch. If they are good friends I'm sure they will manage to work it through between them with no long term impact on their friendship.

Good luck :) and keep your chin up.
 
thats a terrible hacking partner! not listening to you at all about what you can do! walking is not work......that is appsolute rubbish!!!!!!
defo get some one to walk out with you! even if they end up following behind
is there no one else on your yard you can hack with? or advertise for a new hacking partner?
 
To get yourself off the hook could you just not say that Zack obviously cant cope with company on hacks at the moment and until he can you will be riding out alone?

Not strictly true but may allow you to get out of the situation
 
Hello and welcome to the forum, I gather from your post that you are in Sweden. This is a horrid situation to be in, and really you have to think about you and your horse and what is best for him. I would make it very plain that at the momnet you are trying to build up the trust and confidence with the two of you, and that at this time it is really not a good idea for them to join you. It is supposed to be fun and you should not be being put uder stress which will reflect down through your horse and the way he goes. Have been in a similar situation and the whole ride I spent thinking when was the horse going to kick off and upset mine, which always happened, so now sorry to say I will not go out with the pair of them as its not fun for me or my girl. I do hope that you get it sorted and look forward to hearing more from you. Good luck with it.
 
Wow, thankyou all so much for your responces :) I almost didn't post because I felt so silly, but now I couldn't be more glad that I did.

The lady who owns my riding buddy's horse is out of action for at least a year or more and after that she has been told she still may need surgery, so this is long term.

Just to explain why only Zack and his fieldmate ride out - the other two horses on the yard are harness racers which is a popular sport here, and there are the shetland ponies our ym breeds :) Zack is actually an ex-harness racer himself, but apparently he was never very good so the poor dear was retrained and sold :p The other horses only drive and they're on winter rest, but sometimes we all take the shetlands out for a walk so I might ask if I can follow with Zack next time we arrange to do it, if I can be sure my riding buddy won't invite herself along too. My partner has offered to walk with me too, but I actually feel slightly cruel asking him to wade through knee deep snow with me! He mentioned skiing, but I can only guess how Zack would react to that!

There's also the summer field which is closed now. I rode on it a few times with Zack early on when we were learning to be around each other, but because it's home he isn't spooky. But it sounds like a good idea to go do something simple and easy :) I just realised now reading through your replies that since the incident I've been fixated on getting off the stable yard, so maybe that's where I've gone wrong. I'll ask the ym if I can open it up to see how he goes :)

I'm being a coward but I'm pretty certain that if I say flat out to my now ex-riding buddy why I'm angry it will degenerate pretty fast. Is it still a good idea to be upfront if that's the case?

Otherwise I might have to go hypnotherapy a try. I've never in my life been this mad at any one or any thing!

I'll keep you guys posted as things develop.
 
I would ask the yard manager if she knows of a suitable person to ride out with whatever I would not ride out with this lady again in any circumstances if she asks just smile say no we like to do it to differently and be friendly it sounds like she has no natural horse sense to leave a horse that has bolted before you where ready to move was a mad thing to do .
Zack and you have had your confidence knocked but you will get it back take a deep breath take time rebuilt your confidence and move on .
There's no need to fall out with any one over this just stick to the line we do it to differently and smile , it does not matter if she thinks your potty when you meet her socially talk about everything you can think of except horses.
Good luck it sounds like you have done an amazing job with him he's lucky to have found you.
 
What a shame when it sounds like you were making some progress with Zack :(

I've had a couple of similar instances with really unhelpful hacking buddies that had the potential to be downright dangerous... A couple of months ago, I had a horrible ride with a friend. She's been lovely and patient with me, and now we've been starting to have a good canter out on hacks, but she only has one speed canter... My lad is more settled if he's in front, but then I have her careering up my backside telling me to kick on, or if she's in front, she goes off like the proverbial and mine pulls like a tank with his nose between his knees to try and catch up when normally he's fine with in front/behind. I tried to bring it up and she said that she lets her cob go at the speed she likes for fast work, and that since they only hack, there isn't any need for different speed and balanced canter - they just go for a hoon to have fun... Fair enough, but really not what I want :( It's put me off riding with her, which is a shame, as she was really supportive when I was v nervous hacking the new boy, and she knows some great routes, but it gave me the incentive to try more by myself and with other people. In a sense she was my safety blanket to start with :) but now it's just unhelpful...

So in a nutshell, I try to discuss it with bad hacking buddies, and if they don't get the hint, I just fob them off and feel slightly guilty... Good luck.
 
Ditch the friend and slowly build up yours and Zack's confidence again. So what if you have to lead him out of the yard and then get on? With consistency he'll soon chill about it.
Please tell us what you have on your horses feet for the snowy riding??!
 
I really dont blame you for not wanting to ride with her and I wouldnt bother with her anymore, just riding off and leaving you could have caused you and zack to have a nasty accident, how stupid and selfish of her no wonder your confidence has taken a knock.
Try to find someone else to ride with for now to give you your confidence back, if I was local you could ride with me I helped a very nervous friend some years back who would only walk out on hacks, within two months I had her cantering in the lead with no fear, hope you can find a nice sympathatic riding friend and you confidence will come back with time.
 
My god I wouldn't be riding with her again! She sounds awful and a complete liability! You've done it once with Zach so you'll manage to do it again, best of luck :-)
 
Lego I'm so sorry you had that happen too :( it's the worst. What I can't get my head around is why they just don't seem to understand, or how they can feel it's not their problem.

Please tell us what you have on your horses feet for the snowy riding??!

Back in england I'd never consider even setting out in snow unless the horse had shoes and studs, but after some assurance from the ym that Zack didn't need any hoof boots or anything I went out.... I do wonder if he would have fallen had he been shod, but before the trailer frightened him he seemed pretty sure footed and I could feel him testing the ground from time to time. He certainly knew where the grass verge was under the snow and was sticking to the left side completely on his own accord, whereas before the snow he preferred to ride in the middle of the track. It makes me wonder how sensitive a horse's feet truly are? :confused:
 
would not want to ride out with her either. I suggest however that next time she asks, once you feel able to, that you explain that it is not safe for you to ride with her as she does not consider you and your horse/ your horses behaviour. I would say it is nothing personal against you, but you did put me and the horse at risk, and I am not willing to be put at risk like that again.
 
Oh my god I am furious on your behalf! She sounds so completely inconsiderate I would not ride with her again. So she says you are scared, yes you are scared her irresponsible actions will get you or Zack injured!

I would just explain why you are annoyed, state simple facts and say that you don't want to fall out over it but you don't want to ride with her again, alternatively just say Zack has gone backwards and you want to be able to hack on your own so that's what you'll be concentrating on.

I know you like this horse but what if another share/loan came up, would you take it? He doesn't sound like an ideal confidence giver but I know with sharing you kind of take what you can get!

I take it the owner wouldn't be up for you moving yards after her previous awful experience? It would be better if you had sensible riding partners around!

As for your partners friendship, well it will probably be best to try and maintain some semblance of friendship with her for his sake, but just think if you keep spending time with her your relationship could get to a stage where you really can't be around her, so keep your distance...
 
She has ignored all your earlier comments, she was happy to cause you even more problems AFTER you had had a bad scare. This woman has the hide of a rhino and the sensitivity of Edwina Currie.

I would be blunt. Polite but blunt so there are no misunderstandings. Tell your partner first and explain your reasons but if you try to make excuses she will keep nagging.
 
Crikey, you poor thing. She sounds like a right eejit, if I'm being polite.

You have two issues to sort, and although it probably doesn't feel it, the easiest is the hacking buddy. I'm with those who recommend a straight approach. Just tell her calmly how you felt about that disastrous hack and the role of her behaviour. I know it's hard, I hate confrontation myself, but it's easier than the constant strain of avoiding her and the potential awkwardness with your partner/her husband. It's also affecting getting started again with Zack. She can't really defend her behaviour; it's indefensible, so just go for it secure in the knowledge you're perfectly entitled to feel this way.

Then Zack; take your partner's offer up to walk out with you. He lives in Sweden, he can't mind a bit of snow ;). Draw strength from the thought that you have come a long way with him, and you will do again. This is a minor setback. You sound a sensitive, thoughtful person (I mean that in a nice way!) so it's not at all surprising this incident has rattled you. But there's no reason you shouldn't get back to where you were, and beyond. Have faith and rebuild yours and Zack's confidence. Best of luck :). Oh, and welcome to the forum!
 
I'd send a simple text saying that zack isn't good with her horse riding out and that for all of your safety you wouldn't be taking him out with her anymore.
She sounds clueless though.
I'd also be warning anyone with a nervy horse who may go out with her.
Tell your fella to say the sane to his mate... 'For all of your safety', they can't push that. And ramp it up if you have to.
 
Sounds like a heartless, ignorant, clueless, selfish **tch to me. I think that just about covers it. You have every right to feel furious as she frankly behaved in a completely inconsiderate and dangerous way.
 
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