Low Grade Laminitis recovery

[Ranyhyn]

Thanks for your post Leo.

I can see why people would be of this opinion, especially seeing as I am leeching all the goodness from her hay too. But the main thing is making sure its all appropriate for her.

 

[PurBee]

I echo magnesium (which helps unlock and transport vit d into the blood which is immune boosting and helps prevent insulin resistance, preventing easy weight gain and laminitis) ..
...and also supplement anti-inflammatory omega 3. Stop any pro-inflammatory omega 6 oils in the diet....which are all oils except linseed....which is predominantly omega 3.
When my horses are on this they can adjust to spring grass fine without getting footy.

 

[ester]

See now the dreaded L word makes me scared to feed anything at all, but accept pony may need a balancer etc. And I read that AG is a useful supplement ( I would feed this to the WB during her seasons anyway so will have it) and also epsom salts?

What do you feed, as an example?

What do you mean by AG? agnus caste? not something I have ever fed

as an example F has shitty teeth so gets enough agrobs weisencobs to transport his supplements/meds which is currently equimins adv. complete, magnesium oxide, 1/2 cup of micro linseed per day and bute.
Before the bute he used to get boswellia but that stopped being enough to keep him comfy

In work and with teeth he had agrobs aspero, unmolassed beet, + oats and micro linseed depending on work level (ie more when hunting) plus the same supplements.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Thanks for the reply.

I am feeding her Spillers lite and lean balancer now as a starting point.

 

[ester]

I've never looked fully at that one, but it doesn't have added iron which is a good thing they paid attention to

 

[holeymoley]

Thanks for the reply.

I am feeding her Spillers lite and lean balancer now as a starting point.

There are better balancers out there for a laminitic. This one is full of junk- oatfeed wheetfeed mollasses... and it has over the 10% recommended combined sugar and starch.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Spillers lite and lean came from the Laminitis site?

 

[ester]

Lots do, they pay for the certification.

 

[Ranyhyn]

well bugger me, you cant trust anyone anymore

 

[holeymoley]

well bugger me, you cant trust anyone anymore

Unfortunately you really can’t. There’s endorsed products that pay to have the logo on their products. I imagine their is some criteria they need to meet but ironically not what’s ideal for a laminitic. You need to read ingredients and analysis’ of each feed and go through with a fine toothed comb.

 

[ester]

I *think* it is only sugar + starch levels they have to adhere to, not ingredients.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Holey moley seems to think its over the 10% too!

 

[Ranyhyn]

It is too. Maybe I've been hoodiwnked. Lucky I'm not adding in the chaff as well as recommended!

 

[holeymoley]

Honestly take anything a feed company says with a pinch of salt. Ive had Spillers out to our yard purely for the weigh bridge and the stuff the girl was telling me to feed was abysmal. They are just reps at the end of the day trying to sell their products. The only big feed company that’s remotely decent in my opinion is Topspec.

 

[Ranyhyn]

It wasnt Spillers who recommeded this to me, its the laminitis website!

 

[holeymoley]

Very bizarre as a few paragraphs above the recommendation it states not to go over 10% combined sugar and starch

 

[Ranyhyn]

This is very dangerous for people like me, who would hope to be able to go onto a website like that and gather some genuine information.

I'm lucky in that the horse does not have full blown laminitis ...

So, this leads me to my next question!

Pony taped at 269kg
Laminitis *boohiss* site says feed 1.5kg forage to help weight loss, so pony is having just over 4kg hay a day.
Soaked for 30 mins
200g of balancer

Is THAT genuine feeding wise for a low grade possible laminitic?

 

[ester]

https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php

so yes that agrees with 1.5% of current weight ergo 4kg soaked.

 

[holeymoley]

That seems fine. Are you spreading the 4kg out throughout the day? It’s normally recommended to soak for an hour to get most of the sugars out. Also stay away from ryegrass hay.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Its bloody hard to make sure she's constantly got hay at that ratio but we're sticking to it! Double netted and 2kg am 2kg pm.

Hay is good quality unimproved meadow hay.

 

[ester]

Is she shod - apologies if you have already mentioned this but unshod has more hay trickling possibilities!

 

[Ranyhyn]

Unshod

 

[ester]

Right, unfortunately they have sold out of the smallest ones but the next size up is probably useable
fill, tie as shown and chuck in stable. Because they have nothing to pull against it takes them a fair bit longer (proved by a previously double netted section A who would have eaten his ration in a couple of hours tops )

they used to do 40mm holes too and even that would slow F down.

https://www.nibbleze.net/shop

 

[Ranyhyn]

They look good. Is there any reason I couldn’t use a standard small holes Haynet for this with a little doctoring?

 

[ester]

Ok, so I did this, with some softish rope and standard haynet (with rings as all mine did) but it never really worked as well holding the top shut and I just got another nibbleze I suspect maybe because my haynet material was stiffer? (guessing!) - The nibbleze also works even if you tie it wrong as my mum did for months! Peopler certainly do make their own successful hay pillows though so feel free to get crafty

 

[Ranyhyn]

Who am I kidding I’m not crafty. I’ll just r buy one ?

 

[ester]

I donated my small holed one to said welsh A because it became apparent that they larger holed ones slowed F down just fine otherwise I'd send it to you. Lack of functional teeth means you get your hay in a heap instead. He did used to occasionally dunk it in his giant water bucket but not very often.

 

[Ranyhyn]

That’s very kind of you to even suggest ??

 

[holeymoley]

Just bought one of the wreaths!

 

[Ranyhyn]

I times the little beast this morning, it took her two hours to eat her morning serving?