Low Sugar,Low Starch,High Fibre,High Oil

Another shout for the Spillers Response Slow Release Cubes as I really think they are the dog's wotsits! Quick breakdown:

Spillers Slow Release: DE: 11MJ/Kg
Starch: 12%

Spillers Condition Cubes: DE: 12MJ/kg
Starch: 20% (eek)

Winergy Equilibrium Conditioning: DE: 12.4MJ/kg
Starch: 10%

FWIW I would pop him on the Spillers Slow Release Cubes, add a slosh of oil and stuff him full of haylege and see how you go. Make sure you're feeding the recommended amount of cubes (by weight) for a boy of his size as he is big and if possible split into 3 feeds a day.

Good Luck.
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I am weighing up the pro's and cons between :

Spillers: Conditioning Fibre plus High Fibre Cubes

Badminton : High Fibre Nuggets plus Triple Topup

Just a reminder it is a conditioning feed I want but it must be low in Sugar and Starch.

[/ QUOTE ] Of those two I would definitely go for the Badminton option. The Spillers option is actually LESS conditioning than the Slow Release Cube/Conditioning Fibre which you have already rejected as not being conditioning enough! Spiller's High Fibre Cubes are 8.4 MJDE/kg and the Conditioning Fibre is 11 MJDE/KG, so depending on what proportion you feed the two in the overally MJDE/kg is always going to be significantly less than 11 MJDE/kg. Whereas with the Slow Release Cubes being 11 MJDE/kg and the Conditioning Fibre being 11 MJDE/kg you know the overall bucket feed ration is 11 MJDE/kg.

With the Badminton option the High Fibre Nuggets are 8.8 MJDE/kg but Triple Top Up is 14.5 MJDE/kg, so will pull the calorie content of the ration up if feed in generous enough amounts.

The only trouble with ringing feed manufacturers is that they will usually recommend their own products, so you won't get suggestions like feeding Slow Release Cubes with micronised linseed (20 MJDE/kg) or Triple Top Up which would be my choice in your circumstances.
 
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Could one of you tell me what is in Spillers Slow release Ingredients are please??

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Wheatfeed, Soya hulls, Oatfeed, Rice bran, Molasses, Sunflower extract, Calcium carbonate, Soya oil, Salt, Vitamin mineral premix
 
But there is also molasses in the Winergy! (And I suspect in most of the other products you are thinking of trying!)

Here are the ingredients for the Spillers High Fibre Cubes, for example:

Oatfeed, Wheatfeed, Nutritionally improved straw, Sunflower extract, Molasses, Calcium carbonate, Hipro soya, Vegetable oil, Salt, Vitamin & mineral premix, Dicalcium phosphate
 
At the moment you are feeding Winergy Condition and a 15kg bag lasts you 4 days at a cost of £12.65 a bag, so £3.16 a day, £22.12 a week. If a bag lasts 4 days you are feeding 3.75kg of Winergy (12.4 MJDE/kg) a day which gives 46.5 MJDE a day.

I've tried to use reasonably round amounts, so the first example doesn't quite equal 46.5 MJDE/kg, but nearly!

Ration 1:

3.5kg Slow Release cubes provides 38.5 MJDE plus 0.5kg Triple Top Up provides 7.25 MJDE = 45.75 MJDE a day

Slow Release cubes = £9.99 for 20kg. Triple Top Up £30 for 20kg. So total of £2.50 a day, £17.50 a week.

Ration 2:

3.5kg Slow Release cubes provides 38.5 MJDE plus 0.4kg Micronised Linseed provides 8 MJDE = 46.6 MJDE a day.

Charnwood Milling Linseed (20 MJDE/kg, 3.75% starch) 25kg for £31.42 (inc P&P). Total cost of cubes and linseed = £2.25 a day, £15.75 a week.

Hope my maths is OK - did that in a hurry as meant to be doing other things!

ETA: You'd probably want to feed a smaller quantity of linseed, and a slightly higher quantity of cubes in the second example, but will still work out around a similar price.
 
Saracen Re-leve fantastic look it up on their website, it's about £12.00 per bag, but I only give two mugfulls a day with non mollassed mollichaff....Marksway clamer one, it's fantastic and lasts a long time
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Too late to edit my post above - a smaller amount of linseed would be more realistic:

3.75 kg cubes (41.25 MJDE) plus 0.25kg linseed (5 MJDE) = 46.25 MJDE at a cost of £2.18 a day (the cubes are a cheaper source of calories than the linseed).
 
Flibble - my molasses intolerant pony could cope with the Spillers High Fibre Cubes, a lot of pony nuts sent him evil and loopy, but those ones didn't. Just a possibility for you...
 
If you ask about Calm & Condition on here you will get a range of responses - some people swear by it, but others report their horses were anything but calm on it!

The trouble is, I suspect, horses have different sensitivity to ingredients - so what might be a low enough starch level for some, is too much for others.
 
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