Lush, again, again, again... Protests outside stores?

[skewbald_again]

If you are incapable of not being able to look after animals then they should not be in your care.

oh but we are. we shoot the foxes now

 

[Jay89]

Complain to the Advertising Standards Authority about Lush's support of the Hunt Saboteurs Association

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/complaints_form/

Use the following points of discussion to emphasise that their campaign is:

- Promoting illegal activity
- Unfairly stereotyping a minority segment of the population
- Financially supporting violence towards children, animals and law abiding citizens
- Promoting a violent association with no approved charter or charitable status
- Showing balaclava'd protestors on a demonstration video - what message does this send to children?
- Encouraging hostile, violent and illegal activity towards law abiding activities and participants
- Giving a bias and unfair view of a topic with unsolicited claims
- Presenting statistics without appropriate references or credibility as to source
- Promoting a false message that hunting is illegal. It is NOT!

Had this message from fb group boycott lush this christmas, quite a good idea!!

 

[ilovehunting]

That is a VERY old story. Weakly researched arguments, never peer reviewed, by a rabidly anti-hunting scientist financed by the anti-hunt lobby! As opposed to a study carried out by the Game Conservancy, properly peer reviewed etc. that showed very clearly that - in areas where other forms of fox control were restricted for various reasons (terrain, too many tourists or too much livestock for shooting to be safe, etc.), then hunting played an integral role in fox control.

I am an unaware of any bias related to the article I posted. I had a quick look the study you mentioned but had no luck. Any ideas as I would be interested in reading it? I found a number of Game Conservancy organisations which mostly seemed to be linked to shooting organisations, again, hardly the most impartial observers.

And actually, I don't recall - when presenting the 'official' case for foxhunting - EVER claiming that the fox population would increase nationwide without hunting. There are always other methods - most of them LESS humane than hunting with hounds!

Well this is the argument. People were shooting, gassing, stringing foxes up long before the hunting ban. These ideas are nothing new.

But as others have said, this thread is not about the arguments for and against foxhunting. It is about the public white-washing and support for a violent organisation!

A point yet to be proven.

 

[ilovehunting]

If you are incapable of not being able to look after animals then they should not be in your care.

oh but we are. we shoot the foxes now

And you shot foxes before. What is your point?

 

[ilovehunting]

Complain to the Advertising Standards Authority about Lush's support of the Hunt Saboteurs Association

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/complaints_form/

Use the following points of discussion to emphasise that their campaign is:

- Promoting illegal activity
- Unfairly stereotyping a minority segment of the population
- Financially supporting violence towards children, animals and law abiding citizens
- Promoting a violent association with no approved charter or charitable status
- Showing balaclava'd protestors on a demonstration video - what message does this send to children?
- Encouraging hostile, violent and illegal activity towards law abiding activities and participants
- Giving a bias and unfair view of a topic with unsolicited claims
- Presenting statistics without appropriate references or credibility as to source
- Promoting a false message that hunting is illegal. It is NOT!

Had this message from fb group boycott lush this christmas, quite a good idea!!

Go for it, but as you struggle to prove your claims on a public forum it might prove pointless to waste the ASA's aims.

By the way, hasn't the countryside alliance come under fire the from the ASA before?

 

[ilovehunting]

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/non_broadcast/Adjudication+Details.htm?adjudication_id=38014

 

[Annette4]

Have you watched none of their propaganda? Anyone who balaclava's their face has something to hide. If they're were simply following hunts to ensure no animals were injured there would be no problem and no need to hide your face from anyone who might catch you on film now would there. Also, as someone else pointed out...it hard to ride control a horse when it's being terrorised by thugs and work a video camera.

 

[jrp204]

"And as far as teaming up with a "violent" society, you probably all drive your land rovers or gas guzzling machines, buy fancy mobile phones, and live in large houses consuming plenty of electricity and emitting gasses like you would never believe leaving a carbon foot print the size of the uk, and you all seem fine about it. If we are going to get real about this, there is nothing less environmentally violent but you can't see it yet, so who cares?"

Exactly what has this got to do with anything! are you honestly saying anyone who is anti hunting is not capable of having a huge carbon footprint?



"You all deserve to be hit if you think that hunting is acceptable, the violence shown at least has a purpose."

What right do you have to abuse people working and supporting an activity that is working within the law. This could be rather biased, i feel hipster trousers should be made illegal and violate many human rights but i do not verbally abuse and violate the wearers.
As usual your 'anti' argument shows your lack ability to tolerate others and goes to prove that the HSA and other similar groups are just groups of badly informed, intolerant thugs.

And for your information I am neither pro or anti hunting but have a strong dislike for unethical, violent behaviour

 

[rosie fronfelen]

do i detect a threat to property- better be careful how you word your drivel!! do not try and teach someone who's family are generations of hill shepherds how to care for their stock, thats a total insult. your bits of info regarding sheep husbandry is misleading- sheep and lambs are alot healthier kept outside and to even try to get them in to"protect them from the big nasty fox" is ludicrous, considering they cover hundreds of acres of hill! do not bother trying to answer with any form of intelligence as i haven't the time or inclination to read any more claptrap.

 

[ilovehunting]

Have you watched none of their propaganda? Anyone who balaclava's their face has something to hide. If they're were simply following hunts to ensure no animals were injured there would be no problem and no need to hide your face from anyone who might catch you on film now would there.

I am well aware of HSA propaganda. It is not, yet, a criminal offence to have something to hide. I sincerely doubt their isn't a single person without something to hide. I'm sure you yourself even have your own secrets.


The reason hunt monitors conceal their identity, is because hunt supporters have posted photos, home addresses, and threats against monitors on the internet.

Also, as someone else pointed out...it hard to ride control a horse when it's being terrorised by thugs and work a video camera.

Not everyone who attends a hunt does so on horse back. That said, I actually have at least one image of a horse man with a video camera.

 

[Scratchline]

Dont worry about our little 'salami'. He/she always gets emotional and refuses to talk to people unless you just love killing foxes for a bit of sport! ;o)

 

[ilovehunting]

do i detect a threat to property- better be careful how you word your drivel!! do not try and teach someone who's family are generations of hill shepherds how to care for their stock, thats a total insult. your bits of info regarding sheep husbandry is misleading- sheep and lambs are alot healthier kept outside and to even try to get them in to"protect them from the big nasty fox" is ludicrous, considering they cover hundreds of acres of hill! do not bother trying to answer with any form of intelligence as i haven't the time or inclination to read any more claptrap.

Okay, fair enough. I will no longer take your comments into any consideration during forth coming debates. Good day.

 

[ilovehunting]

Dont worry about our little 'salami'. He/she always gets emotional and refuses to talk to people unless you just love killing foxes for a bit of sport! ;o)

From his response I take it he actually does leave his car with the keys in the ignition, and the doors unlocked. He probably also keeps all his money in a paper envelope under the bed.

 

[Scratchline]

snails. watch my lips.

this is not about hunting.

Watch my lips ) This is about illegal hunting! The money raised will be spent on vehicles and video equipment in an attempt to prevent illegal hunting of foxes by the hunting community. Not only is it a good cause it is turning out to be well supported by the British public. Congrtulations to Lush for making this stand I say.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

you didn't consider my comments in the first place- just mocked them!! Good day to you too-

 

[Scratchline]

And blames someone else when it all goes wrong. Salami ignores me then takes me off ignore to have a pop, then back on ignore.
All a bit yellow IMO. Some people hey! lol lol

 

[Scratchline]

Good day to you too-

You came back........to GO again? PMSL

 

[tasteofchristmaschaos]

*shouts* DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

 

[Scratchline]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

 

[MrWoof]

more science crap- this is the real world here, not a place for studies to be made on populations etc.

Yes, to hell with science - this is the real world where we deal in witch craft, folk tales and hysterical rumours!

have you seen first hand what a fox does to a young lamb, doubt it, not a pretty sight!! its depressing to go out in the following morning to find yet another little half eaten body or no body at all.

Can't say I have. All the lambs I've ever had in my charge over the years I have taken full responsibility for their care and made sure they are adequately protected. In this instance I would suggest you keep your animals locked in a barn over night - not only will it protect them from such outrages such as a hungry fox trying to feed it's young, but also from such conditions as hypothermia. I would also suggest you do not leave your keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked if you do not want your car stolen.

Are you seriously suggesting that some Welsh Sheep Farmers lock up 2,000-odd sheep every night in - how many barns would that be?! You totally clueless half-wit.

 

[MrWoof]

Talavera - can you send to me as well please

I have just emailed customer services with my complaint - I wasn't going to bother but after seeing the link posted in NL was very angry

You will not receive any specific reply - just their usual PR Blurb. I emailed them 5 times until I did, eventually, receive a reply to my question. There are NO Shareholders, this is a Private Company - and as far as I am concerned, now an open target. Hit LUSH where it hurts - in their P+L Account.

 

[MrWoof]

Dont worry about our little 'salami'. He/she always gets emotional and refuses to talk to people unless you just love killing foxes for a bit of sport! ;o)

From his response I take it he actually does leave his car with the keys in the ignition, and the doors unlocked. He probably also keeps all his money in a paper envelope under the bed.

For generations, farmers kept their money "under the bed" (my grandmother did) - seems the best place for it these days, considering the appalling Interest Rates!!

 

[rosie fronfelen]

MrWoof, thanks for your supportive and sensible remarks, i was beginning to think that i was the only idiot fighting my corner- at least there are still folk who understand how the countryside works, or tries to work!! i have to say that we don't keep our money under our beds anymore, simple reason being, we aint got any!!!

 

[MrWoof]

And blames someone else when it all goes wrong. Salami ignores me then takes me off ignore to have a pop, then back on ignore.
All a bit yellow IMO. Some people hey! lol lol

Please do not call SaliMali "salami" - do you not realise that SaliMali (the TV one) is a treasured person here in Wales ?!

 

[ilovehunting]

Are you seriously suggesting that some Welsh Sheep Farmers lock up 2,000-odd sheep every night in - how many barns would that be?! You totally clueless half-wit.

I don't know, you can buy some pretty big argicultural barns these days. http://www.brownsofwem.com/agricultural-buildings.htm

Anyway, my serious opinion is they should pack up their trade anyway and find a more enviormentally friendly, sustanable career path.

 

[skewbald_again]

because sheep and grass have not obviously been around for very long, and soon we shall see that they are not sustainable.

Oh no, hang on a minute.

What a complete dimwit.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

dear oh dear- this is a general comment to any sane folk left out there in lala land. i assume this person is anti sheep, anti cows, anti chooks etc! in which case, you will have no meat, eggs, milk bla, bla bla!! aqlso the countryside will turn into a total mess- is this what the country wants?? grasping at straws now i fear and waiting for the fellows in white coats to arrive---

 

[skewbald_again]

he's probaby one of those complete trossachs who thinks it would be more sustainable to grow lentils up the side of a welsh mountain.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

driven by these last few remarks, i'm talking to myself now,all this argie bargie unpleasantness has all sprung up from this Lush mob who are totally unaffected by it all- bit pointless really!!!

 

[JanetGeorge]

I am an unaware of any bias related to the article I posted. I had a quick look the study you mentioned but had no luck. Any ideas as I would be interested in reading it? I found a number of Game Conservancy organisations which mostly seemed to be linked to shooting organisations, again, hardly the most impartial observers.

The study in question was the Rural Fox Management Project 1995 – 1997 by the
Game Conservancy Trust, which was peer-reviewed and published in the Journal of Zoology (2002). The Game Conservancy Trust (now renamed the Game & Wildlife Conservation Trust - http://www.gwct.org.uk/ ) is an independent and HIGHLY reputable charity which receives support from shooting supporters and conservationists alike! I would be very careful about suggesting that any of its highly distinguished scientists would allow any personal bias to taint their science!!

The same could not be said about the anti-hunt lobby's tame scientist Prof Stephen Harris who has been roundly condemned by other scientists for misrepresenting THEIR research in his own publications to suit his bias! Most notable was Dr Terry Kreeger, a USA Wildlife veterinarian whose research was blatantly and deliberately altered and used to support the anti-hunt case, despite Dr Kreeger's repeated objections to the falsification of his results.

If you are at ALL interested in how the anti-hunt lobby has misused science to its own ends, I would refer you to the detailed summary produced by the Middle Way Group

http://www.themiddlewaygroup.org.uk/Misuse_Booklet.pdf Science misused to support Hunting Act It makes illuminating reading for those seeking the light!

But I suspect you're NOT at all interested in true science or facts - they just get in the way of juicy bits of propaganda!