Lush cosmetics saying horse owners cruel - also in hunting

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A friend took her 4 year old daughter out on a hunt and the anti's actually man handled the child to the ground!
They don't give a damn about the animal.
oh, and find me an anti who has never popped a paracetomol or demands medicine when ill!

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yeah or tucks into their free range eggs or roast lamb becauase its farmers who are trying to do right by all these do gudders...free range eggs and hens that (doing away with battery hens etc) its the blooming foxes that come and kill over 50 chickens in one night, hmm bet the don't think about that when there dragging people of their horses!
 
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At the end of the day, hunting with hounds is illegal, and people are still out there killing foxes. It must stop. The majority of people want it to stop, which is why it was banned in the first place. I respect Lush for having the guts to do this and I am not alone in that.

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As we've said, thats not the problem we are referring to. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but publishing emotional and inaccurate statements is the problem. If you want a debate about the ban, go to the hunting forum
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OOOhh they've just earned all my christmas present money this year. Way to go Lush. Lovely to see a corporation standing behind their ethics.
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And you actually like horses? Yet are happy for an organisation to treat them with violence because they ultimately don't like the people riding them?!!
 

Exactly!! For Lush to have a factual, vegetarian, anti-cruelty policy that fits in with its stance on the environment, CSR etc.. is great. To make donations to an animal/welfare charity fine

To offer financial support to an organisation that classes assaults on Horses and Children as acceptable behaviour, in my eyes is wrong
 
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OOOhh they've just earned all my christmas present money this year. Way to go Lush. Lovely to see a corporation standing behind their ethics.
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Including saying people who choose to hunt are cruel to their horses?

Even you must see the point I am making about this being bang out of order and detrimental?
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At the end of the day, hunting with hounds is illegal, and people are still out there killing foxes. It must stop. The majority of people want it to stop, which is why it was banned in the first place. I respect Lush for having the guts to do this and I am not alone in that.

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As we've said, thats not the problem we are referring to. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but publishing emotional and inaccurate statements is the problem. If you want a debate about the ban, go to the hunting forum
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But the comments about HSA could also be called emotional and inaccurate. I have no idea whether they are true or not, but I cannot be expected to believe unquestioningly people who have a vested interest in saying the HSA are cruel to animals.

As you say, this isn't a hunting debate, it is a debate about LUSH supporting an organsation many on this forum don't support. Many companies invest their profits in ways I do not approve, that is life I am afraid. At least LUSH products are easy to avoid, if you wish. Try boycotting Nestle and it is just about impossible.
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Yes some of them could, agreed. However, alot of the comments about the HSA have been mode on personal experiences. The comment saying hunting people are cruel to horses I think is an emotive and inaccurate sweeping statement.
 
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Yes some of them could, agreed. However, alot of the comments about the HSA have been mode on personal experiences. The comment saying hunting people are cruel to horses I think is an emotive and inaccurate sweeping statement.

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Also, it is a corporate company saying that hunters are cruel to horses and hounds - surely they have a responsibility to be accurate in what they say?
 
TBH the products bring me up in a rash anyway. I think there are plently of more worthy and wholesome charities to donate large sums of money that have far better ethics and actions. I do not mind anyone having an opinion but i do mind those who force there miss judged opinion on others.
If all people who hunt are wealthy land owning toffs then ha ho i must be doing better than i though having only just afforded to by my first home in the middle of a very large estate but judging by there comments that makes me wealthy and land owning?!
 
Who the fek is Lush, dont think the have had any of my money, in which case just like KP they can waste it on whatever little axe grinding exercise they like and I wont give a stuff.
 
"Who the fek is Lush, dont think the have had any of my money, in which case just like KP they can waste it on whatever little axe grinding exercise they like and I wont give a stuff."

Sadly, they have had some of mine (Unlike KP!)

Am not impressed with funding their axe grinding.. Grrrr!
 
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Lush can donate their money wherever they like, as far as I am concerned. Whilst I think it is disgusting they are donating thousands to the HSA (IT ACTUALLY SICKENS ME) I know that many companies donate £££ to causes that I would not agree with, its a fact of corporate life.

I take the following quotes from a leaflet I received from Lush themselves....

What I am sickened to read is the propaganda surrounding their decision to donate to the HSA - namely

"....Wealthy, land-owning families for centuries, they have decided to ignore the law and go ahead with their barbaric ritual...."

Which is opinion, untrue in most cases (most hunts do hunt within the law), and this is also wrong, many people follow hunts from all walk of life

but mostly

"Fox hunting is cruel to foxes, horses and hounds..."

Which really gets my back up, as

1. The Burns enquiry into hunting with hounds found "HUNTING TO BE NO MORE OR LESS CRUEL THAN ANY OTHER METHOD OF FOX DISPATCH (and it is a government requirement to control the fox population, ironically)

2. How DARE they imply horse owners who choose to hunt are cruel to their horses

3. See above re: Hounds.

Whatever your opinion on the fox hunting argument, be pro or against, surely anyone can see a multi million pound company throwing ignorant opinions around is dangerous, stupid, hysterical and downright detrimental to the entire horse owning community of this country - be they pro or anti hunters.

You can complain to Lush here

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Phone: 01202 667 830
Our Customer Care team would love to hear any general feedback, store comments or specific product enquiries. Vicky and Kelly are available to take your call from 9am to 5pm, Monday to Friday. If you email or write to us, we aim to reply as soon as possible.

Address: Lush Customer Care
18-20 Market Street
Poole
Dorset
BH15 1NF
E-mail Address: customerservice@lush.co.uk

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I can't understand why Lush donate to the HSA - am I missing something (as an aside) without wishing to trawl through the HSA website, can someone educate me on this?

I don't have an opinion on hunting as I've never been but this seems a very narrow minded view that people who hunt are a) wealthy and b) cruel to their horses.

How odd.
 
Has anyone got there reply back yet mine goes like this:

Thank you for your recent email. I would like to take this opportunity to explain why we are supporting the Hunt Saboteurs Association, who will directly receive the proceeds from our Fabulous Mrs Fox bubble bar up until and including Boxing Day.

In February 2005, hunting with hounds was made illegal in England and Wales (Scotland having done so a number of years previously). Sadly, despite being supported by more than 80% of the population and after more than 5 years of this ban being in place, hunts right across the country continue to illegally cause untold suffering to animals in the name of sport.

When we first met The Hunt Saboteurs Association, we were very touched when they told us that when the legislation had been passed they had felt huge relief that they would finally be able to retire from the field now that the law would now be protecting our wildlife, but that the sad reality was that they had seen hunts continue in much the same numbers because police forces seemed reluctant to attend and enforce the ban. So they have had to continue to go out week after week, collecting evidence and filming the hunts. They tell us that as long as the Law is not enforced through the courts, they will be out on the fields of Britain, monitoring the hunts and using tried and tested non-violent tactics to get between the fox and the hounds whenever they can. They don't want to be there, but they can see that nobody else is doing the job.

We feel that it is disgraceful that the Hunt Saboteurs Association, a volunteer organisation, are the only people trying to enforce a ban that was passed into Law not just by a majority in Parliament, but with overwhelming support from the majority of the British public. We also believe that this majority think that hunting has ceased now that it is against the law. Sadly this is not the case and we believe the public should have the right to know.

Lush is proud to be associated with the Hunt Saboteurs Association who show the tenacity and bravery to uphold a law that our own police force and government seem reluctant to enforce, despite strong and continued support for the ban from the British public.

We welcome and value feedback from all our customers, so thank you for getting in touch with us. I will be sure to pass your comments on to our Campaigns team for future consideration. Please be aware that this is a statement from Lush and we are unable to enter into further correspondence regarding individual experiences or news items.
 
Disgusting.

I can't see how they say people who follow hunts are cruel to horses - out of the people I know who hunt, and people I know who don't hunt, I'd say I've actually seen people who don't hunt to care LESS for there horses. People who hunt NEED horses is tip top condition.
 
Well I dont agree with hunting so dont mind them supporting anything anti-hunting.

However, I stopped buying Lush stuff earlier this year after I realised they supported Plane Stupid. As I come from a family of commercial pilots, I cant agree with them supporting people who like to cause secruity risks at airports and climb on aeroplanes...! Its the owner guy who's the problem, its his opinions. I complained on the Lush forum ages ago about it but most dont care. Its a shame as I used to buy a hell of a lot of Lush stuff and was a regular Mystery Shopper for them.
 
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Lush can donate their money wherever they like, as far as I am concerned. Whilst I think it is disgusting they are donating thousands to the HSA (IT ACTUALLY SICKENS ME) I know that many companies donate £££ to causes that I would not agree with, its a fact of corporate life.

I take the following quotes from a leaflet I received from Lush themselves....

What I am sickened to read is the propaganda surrounding their decision to donate to the HSA - namely

"....Wealthy, land-owning families for centuries, they have decided to ignore the law and go ahead with their barbaric ritual...."

Which is opinion, untrue in most cases (most hunts do hunt within the law), and this is also wrong, many people follow hunts from all walk of life

but mostly

"Fox hunting is cruel to foxes, horses and hounds..."

Which really gets my back up, as

1. The Burns enquiry into hunting with hounds found "HUNTING TO BE NO MORE OR LESS CRUEL THAN ANY OTHER METHOD OF FOX DISPATCH (and it is a government requirement to control the fox population, ironically)

2. How DARE they imply horse owners who choose to hunt are cruel to their horses

3. See above re: Hounds.

Whatever your opinion on the fox hunting argument, be pro or against, surely anyone can see a multi million pound company throwing ignorant opinions around is dangerous, stupid, hysterical and downright detrimental to the entire horse owning community of this country - be they pro or anti hunters.

You can complain to Lush here

COPIED From www.lush.co.uk

Phone: 01202 667 830
Our Customer Care team would love to hear any general feedback, store comments or specific product enquiries. Vicky and Kelly are available to take your call from 9am to 5pm, Monday to Friday. If you email or write to us, we aim to reply as soon as possible.

Address: Lush Customer Care
18-20 Market Street
Poole
Dorset
BH15 1NF
E-mail Address: customerservice@lush.co.uk

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Yet again, the Hunters being hunted.
I can only view this decision as nothing but total commercial suicide.
However, I would be very interested to hear the opinions of the Board of "Lush" - and, far more importantly, the opinion of their SHAREHOLDERS. Anyone on here a "Lush" Shareholder??
 
Im staggered by the innacuracy and naievety shown by LUSH. Hopefully this is another 'campaign' that will get pulled very quickly.
 
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At the end of the day, hunting with hounds is illegal, and people are still out there killing foxes. It must stop. The majority of people want it to stop, which is why it was banned in the first place. I respect Lush for having the guts to do this and I am not alone in that.

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You're right, people are still killing foxes but its not the hunts, its the farmers who have no other choice but to shoot them or snare them. Have you ever seen a fox killed in any of these ways? I have. I've found a fox that has been shot and left to die from gangrene. On my uncle's farm I found a fox strung up by its neck with no fur or skin left from where it had been struggling to get out of the noose. My uncle doesn't like doing it, but if the foxes that live on his land didn't kill his chickens and lambs and not even make a meal of them he wouldn't do what he believes he has to.
I've always been a bit of a fence sitter when it comes to the old hunting debate. I can completely admire and respect Lush for standing up for animal welfare but to support a group like HSA is not the way to go. I've seen the damage they can inflict and I could never support them; to be honest i don't think they care about animals, they just want to stick it to the government and the "toffs" they hate so much.

Also, if owning hunting horses and hounds is so "cruel" isn't owning pet dogs and house cats and rabbits in hutches cruel too?

Sorry if this is a little off topic but i just wanted to add my two cents after lurking on here for so long.
 
I hate Lush stuff anyhow, and have never bought from them, and never will.
 
I wonder if anyone from lush is reading this? It would interesting for them to know how their alienating people, I bet it's not for reasons they expect!
 
lush are against animal cruelty so i can see why they have take this up hunting is dangerous to horses/hound due to fields/jumps terrain etc but its just as dangerous as happy hacking! or football.

i can see there point on some of it but they need to sort there wording out hunting is bad for fox yes. Not just wealthy people who do it! ( I'm against running a fox till death tbh but i don't feel need to preach to people if they want to do it DO IT ) i buy from lush and i will be posting a comment on there site not to taint every1 with same brush!
 
Who or what is Lush cosmetics and what have they to say about animal welfare as aren't most cosmetics tried out on animals first before we humans use them. All cosmetics are used on animals first, EU Directive, thats why I never use cosmetics.Hey the power of the horse people,doesn't any company have the knowledge yet of how many people own horses or hunt through the country
 
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