Majot RANT coming on!

[barbaraNcolin]

Both of my horses are in at night and out during the day, we don't have enough grass to supply 24/7 grazing. My mare is a shire x tb and is rugged as lightly as possible during the winter when she is clipped and never has a sheet on in the summer, she's as hard as nails

However, my tb x welsh d is a major wuss and if it forcasts heavy bouts of prolonged rain during the summer he will be put out in a rain sheet, no filling, just something to keep the wet off his back and stop him shivering up the corner.

 

[Fairynuff]

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Okay, I will stop mincing my words. The majority of horse owners today should not be allowed near a horse.

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Oh well now you've said that I will sell up immediately and buy myself a rocking horse that doesn't mind being rugged

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Oh piddle off. You know exactly what I mean. M.

 

[Eira]

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Okay, I will stop mincing my words. The majority of horse owners today should not be allowed near a horse.

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Oh well now you've said that I will sell up immediately and buy myself a rocking horse that doesn't mind being rugged

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Would love to follow you in that one, but the selling up immediately is easier said than done I'm afraid

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LOL !

I think you'd have more luck selling your lot than I would selling my one mutant

 

[CrazyMare]

Ours were rugged last night - my two are 1 and 17, the yearling escapes when she gets wet to come in, she has 4 gates to negotiate - I'd rather she stayed where I put her. My 17 year old had just been bathed to within an inch of her life to go to a show - shes grey. Ditto my friends horse. OH's horse is an older, tends to be skinny TB, now...let him get cold or keep him nice and warm?

Nothing else on the yard was rugged, nothing else had need to be. Each horse and each owner are unique, and all have their own reasons for doing things. I'd rather get on with doing my horses than spend my time worrying about others.

 

[emma69]

Would now be a good time to point out that in Canada, where summer temps are often over +30C, and winter below -30C, there are horses that (shock horror) don't wear rugs at all? And a good number of them are not exactly what you would call 'natives'.

 

[martlin]

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Okay, I will stop mincing my words. The majority of horse owners today should not be allowed near a horse.

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Oh well now you've said that I will sell up immediately and buy myself a rocking horse that doesn't mind being rugged

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Would love to follow you in that one, but the selling up immediately is easier said than done I'm afraid

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LOL !

I think you'd have more luck selling your lot than I would selling my one mutant

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Well, I'm not so sure - at least you could bute her up to her eyeballs

I would have to sell some of them on sedaline or valium

 

[Rhiann0n]

Well my TB insists that it never rained where he was born (Australia) and there's no way he's going out in it.

Consequently, he has a rug on if rain is likley, and comes in at night - EVERY NIGHT!!!

He's fed late afternoon and is walking the fenceline in panic if its late, he shows no interest whatsoever in going back out after his feed.

He's an ex-racer who never spent a night outside since he was with his dam, and at 18 he doesn't want to start now. We did not invent the horse, but we have domesticated them and given them artificial routines, to which they are attached. THEY ARE ALSO INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE PREFERENCES OF THEIR OWN.

I'm sick of the 'natural horse' people preaching about this kind of thing - if you had a cat, would you expect it to live entirely on the mice it could catch on its own????

 

[Hippona]

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Ours were rugged last night - my two are 1 and 17, the yearling escapes when she gets wet to come in, she has 4 gates to negotiate - I'd rather she stayed where I put her. My 17 year old had just been bathed to within an inch of her life to go to a show - shes grey. Ditto my friends horse. OH's horse is an older, tends to be skinny TB, now...let him get cold or keep him nice and warm?

Nothing else on the yard was rugged, nothing else had need to be. Each horse and each owner are unique, and all have their own reasons for doing things. I'd rather get on with doing my horses than spend my time worrying about others.

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Me too CrazyMare.

 

[Eira]

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Well, I'm not so sure - at least you could bute her up to her eyeballs

I would have to sell some of them on sedaline or valium

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PMSL

 

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Why is Mairi so angry?

 

[Slinkyunicorn]

In answer to an earlier question as to whether horses can thermo reguate themselves - the answer is yes BUT they find it a lot easier to warm themselves up (eating, hooning around, shivering etc|) than to cool down. Cooling down puts a greater strain on their system as they have to increase the circulation of blood around their bodies, vaso dilate to increase the amount of blood to the surface area of the skin to cool down, there by increasing the risk of dehydration.....

 

[howengold]

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My horse was wearing a rug last night

I think there are lots of reasons why horses would need to be rugged up in June .. not all horses enjoy being horses

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Ditto, my flakey Arab thinks its the middle of winter when it rains and she stands there shaking to prove it..mind you I still won't put anything on her unless theres a windy as well...bloody flakey pony embarasses her hardy companions who only have their rugs around November to January lol!

 

[Smurphy]

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who you calling a dog??????

 

[arwenplusone]

Am PMSL at this thread.

Each to their own. If people want to run about rugging and unrugging their horses then so be it.

Personally, I can't be arsed. So mine are naked.

 

[Queenbee]

sorry mairi but my HW GREY cob was rugged with a light weight rug in the last year that I had her, she was not clipped out, only hogged and trimmed but as you can see she had a thin coat in the summer and it was my intention that it stayed white. When we knew she wasn't showing she went without. She never came in sweating. I know I am evil, but I just don't care, she was happy,well cared for, and clean. My other horses don't get rugged, but it suited me and she was fine.

This is her:

would you like to bath that sh!t magnet?

***prepares for a barrage of abuse for being cruel and selfish***

 

[Smurphy]

I think mari should put down the carrot stick and back off!!!

 

[RhiannonE]

My TB is a wuss too - since he was little he was on limited turnout and rugged up to the eyeballs etc because he was a racehorse - by the time I got him as much as I would've liked not to faff around with rugs most of the year I had to as that is what he was used to.
We have domesticated these animals and once that happens they get used to a different "non natural" way of life and you just have to adjust to that accordingly.

My Connemara used to live out 24/7 before I got him and never saw a rug in his life. Now he's with me, although out a long time he's not out 24/7 as that doesn't suit me or my livery yard. He was clipped in the winter and he has been bathed and groomed regularly to look decent for shows therefore he's lost all his natural oils and needs me to make up what i've taken away.
The other night when there was a dreadful storm (he's out at night) he had to have his lightweight waterproof on because he isn't used to being out in the rain anymore and his skin isn't protected against it. (I did go down stupidly early the next day to take it off and he enjoyed until lunchtime being out in the sun).

As its been said - different people have different reasons for doing things with their horses, in the way that different people ride differently! Doesn't mean either side is wrong.

 

[Quadro]

the moral of the story is ............................every horse is different as is every owner !!!!! RUG IF AND WHEN U WANT 2!!!!!!

 

[martlin]

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I think mari should put down the carrot stick and back off!!!

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And I think you got Mairi completely wrong

 

[Hippona]

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I think mari should put down the carrot stick and back off!!!

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And I think you got Mairi completely wrong

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In what way? Just out of interest, because you can only go on what you read on here, and I think many people have their backs up over this one....not so much the subject matter but the way we are all being preached and lectured at.....

 

[Sarah1]

QR - I just have a quick question for those who are still rugging their horses - how do they feel under their rugs? Nice & toasty?
If a horses body feels warm to the touch under a rug then they're too hot.
Now this is not meant to be inflamatory, I'm just curious...

 

[MrsMozart]

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Okay, I will stop mincing my words. The majority of horse owners today should not be allowed near a horse.

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Oh well now you've said that I will sell up immediately and buy myself a rocking horse that doesn't mind being rugged

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Would love to follow you in that one, but the selling up immediately is easier said than done I'm afraid

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LOL !

I think you'd have more luck selling your lot than I would selling my one mutant

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Well, I'm not so sure - at least you could bute her up to her eyeballs

I would have to sell some of them on sedaline or valium

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Hm. Any takers for my lot? One whappy but loving DW who rarely needs rugging, one ever so sweet Trad cob who needs a l/w when clipped (and needs clipping to stop him keeling over with sweat exhaustion when working - he's a boy lol), and one absolute wimple Welshie cross who as soon as he sees a rain drop, puts his head down and starts shivering fit to burst.

Have 'em all stuffed and put on rockers

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[martlin]

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I think mari should put down the carrot stick and back off!!!

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And I think you got Mairi completely wrong

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In what way? Just out of interest, because you can only go on what you read on here, and I think many people have their backs up over this one....not so much the subject matter but the way we are all being preached and lectured at.....

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I'm not sure this will be what you are asking me about, but my above comment related to carrot stick

As far as I know Mairi and carrot stick don't go together, that's all

 

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I think mari should put down the carrot stick and back off!!!

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And I think you got Mairi completely wrong

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In what way? Just out of interest, because you can only go on what you read on here, and I think many people have their backs up over this one....not so much the subject matter but the way we are all being preached and lectured at.....

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Couldn't agree more poppymoo - she has most certainly got mine up throughout this thread. It seems unless people agree with her thoughts she isn't interested. I am sorry we are all different and so are our horses - all individuals. Which is the way mine are treated.

 

[Eira]

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QR - I just have a quick question for those who are still rugging their horses - how do they feel under their rugs? Nice & toasty?
If a horses body feels warm to the touch under a rug then they're too hot.
Now this is not meant to be inflamatory, I'm just curious...

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She feels cool .. apart from the base of her ears/armpits that are warm .. she hasn't sweated to death yet

 

[Hippona]

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QR - I just have a quick question for those who are still rugging their horses - how do they feel under their rugs? Nice & toasty?
If a horses body feels warm to the touch under a rug then they're too hot.
Now this is not meant to be inflamatory, I'm just curious...

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No....just dry

If I choose to put a LW rain-mac on overnight then I make sure I get up and take it off at 7am the next day.

Kind of defeats the whole object of having them live out but he seriously doesnt like rain at all.....and I dont mind dragging my but out of bed to take it off.

 

[Alimac19]

If my horse gets too wet he goes bonkers. He really dosn't like it. He rubs his whole body all around the stable walls and then rolls and gets cast!! I therefore will put an unlined rainsheet on if it's rainy as a cast horse isn't nice.

 

[Hippona]

Ah...sorry Martlin, lost the gist. Misinterpreted the post

 

[golddustsara]

Horses for courses here.... My horse lives out 24/7 365 days of the year. He doesn't wear any rugs from about April - Oct. We have a field shelter, good hedges and plenty of hay which is personally all I think they need in the winter let alone the summer.

I think perhaps there is a culture of mollycoddling our horses so when it rains they are not used to it as they are always rugged up. I think some people need to toughen up a bit and let their horses get used to it and be horses.

Obviously TB/finer breeds/oldies need more careful management and perhaps rugging in conditions where other horses may not......

 

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