elizabethshaw
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lots of good reasons for rugging up - each to his own I say.
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Rollin
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Well I am in France and the weather is lovely right now but when we had heavy rain last week, the first horse to head straight for the field shelter, was my Highland Pony who lived in Scotland would never dream of letting himself get wet!!!
dieseldog
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Troll!!!!!
Yes I know that Mairi isn't a troll, but this post is. Have you all not noticed the influx of 'innocent' posts from a certain group of women lately. It's stealth trolling. Have fun discussing the responses, I'm sure it helps with all the stress you lot are feeling at the moment
Yes I know that Mairi isn't a troll, but this post is. Have you all not noticed the influx of 'innocent' posts from a certain group of women lately. It's stealth trolling. Have fun discussing the responses, I'm sure it helps with all the stress you lot are feeling at the moment
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No.........enlighten me please?
Troll!!!!!
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No.........enlighten me please?
Hovis_and_SidsMum
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Hovis has't been rugged for a while and unless it was absoutely hammering it down when i put him out and was likely to stay like that all day then tough. He's big, hairy, roughty toughty and can cope! I have put him out naked when all other horses are rugged and been glaed at for being mean!
We have to stable at night as they are yard rules but as there are 16 horses in a big amercian barn with the doors shut at night they generate enough heat between themselves to not need rugging. Some owners do - i don't until it gets v v v cold.
Omar on the other hand is a wussy TB / ID cross who stands and shakes at the gate if he gets wet. He is miserable and stresses. We wouldn't shoot down the yard to rug him or bring him in if it sarted raining but we are more aware of protecting him. He is prone to chills and runny noses so we want a healthy horse.
I hasten to add neither of them are rugged 99% of the time at the moment.
I know my horses and i know what they need. i don't need anyone else to tell me nor do i need to folow the yard rug trend of the day.
We have to stable at night as they are yard rules but as there are 16 horses in a big amercian barn with the doors shut at night they generate enough heat between themselves to not need rugging. Some owners do - i don't until it gets v v v cold.
Omar on the other hand is a wussy TB / ID cross who stands and shakes at the gate if he gets wet. He is miserable and stresses. We wouldn't shoot down the yard to rug him or bring him in if it sarted raining but we are more aware of protecting him. He is prone to chills and runny noses so we want a healthy horse.
I hasten to add neither of them are rugged 99% of the time at the moment.
I know my horses and i know what they need. i don't need anyone else to tell me nor do i need to folow the yard rug trend of the day.
asbo
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my horses, my choice!
shock, horror, both mine are in rugs as we type, which includes my sec a mare
shock, horror, both mine are in rugs as we type, which includes my sec a mare
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shock, horror, both mine are in rugs as we type, which includes my sec a mare
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this might be a cheeky question and I don't want it to come across wrong - but do you mind if I ask why?
I'm just curious as I'm sat in a vest top and shorts, with all the windows open, and I'm still too hot, it's at 22c inside!
my horses, my choice!
shock, horror, both mine are in rugs as we type, which includes my sec a mare
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this might be a cheeky question and I don't want it to come across wrong - but do you mind if I ask why?
I'm just curious as I'm sat in a vest top and shorts, with all the windows open, and I'm still too hot, it's at 22c inside!
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Interesting post! Speaking entirely personally, the rugs come off my 2 Arabs during the day from late March onwards (and quite often during the winter if it's a fine bright day), depending on the general weather pattern; they keep rainsheets on at night for a couple of weeks after that. One wears a sweet-itch sheet all summer, the other goes naked in all weathers until late September. They both live out 24/7 all year round. They have access to a shelter but only use it to escape flies. They happily stand out and graze in the heaviest rain.
I think I've seen more horses rugged up all summer this year than ever before. Cobs, TBs, natives - you name it, it's got a rug on. I fully appreciate that some horses do need rugs all year for various reasons - but a youngish hairy cob, rarely ridden, with access to a shelter - why rug it up in summer?
It's very easy to assume your horse is cold because you're cold. But we're very different creatures - humans have no natural coat and have long limbs and a long thin (speaking generally!) torso so aren't good at storing core heat. Horses have bulky bodies and massive digestive systems that are great at generating and storing heat - they're designed to tolerate far lower temperatures than we are.
Interesting post! Speaking entirely personally, the rugs come off my 2 Arabs during the day from late March onwards (and quite often during the winter if it's a fine bright day), depending on the general weather pattern; they keep rainsheets on at night for a couple of weeks after that. One wears a sweet-itch sheet all summer, the other goes naked in all weathers until late September. They both live out 24/7 all year round. They have access to a shelter but only use it to escape flies. They happily stand out and graze in the heaviest rain.
I think I've seen more horses rugged up all summer this year than ever before. Cobs, TBs, natives - you name it, it's got a rug on. I fully appreciate that some horses do need rugs all year for various reasons - but a youngish hairy cob, rarely ridden, with access to a shelter - why rug it up in summer?
It's very easy to assume your horse is cold because you're cold. But we're very different creatures - humans have no natural coat and have long limbs and a long thin (speaking generally!) torso so aren't good at storing core heat. Horses have bulky bodies and massive digestive systems that are great at generating and storing heat - they're designed to tolerate far lower temperatures than we are.
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I'm in Edinburgh which has had a really bad few days weather wise, jayjay gets rugged as hes still a touch under weight and he does feel the cold, tried him rug less in the bad weather we had last year and he was frozen, even my vet suggested he was in a mw rug, in fact he gets hay and hard feed all year round.
fizzy gets very bad rain scald if shes out in the wet too much so is rugged if we are having prolonged periods of rain, which we have had 4 days of so far.
fizzy gets very bad rain scald if shes out in the wet too much so is rugged if we are having prolonged periods of rain, which we have had 4 days of so far.
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I'm in Edinburgh which has had a really bad few days weather wise, jayjay gets rugged as hes still a touch under weight and he does feel the cold, tried him rug less in the bad weather we had last year and he was frozen, even my vet suggested he was in a mw rug, in fact he gets hay and hard feed all year round.
fizzy gets very bad rain scald if shes out in the wet too much so is rugged if we are having prolonged periods of rain, which we have had 4 days of so far.
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see I understand that - I am just shocked at the number of horses that are still rugged for apparently no reason, I don't believe in rugging horses to keep them clean, or in the rain when it's warm providing they are healthy and happy. YO went away for 10 days, and for those 10 days the horses lived out, all rugless including 2 eventers, a mare and 10 month old foal, a TB, a sec A and 3 riding school ponies. It was warm (ish!) and it rained somedays, but they were all warm enough
I'm in Edinburgh which has had a really bad few days weather wise, jayjay gets rugged as hes still a touch under weight and he does feel the cold, tried him rug less in the bad weather we had last year and he was frozen, even my vet suggested he was in a mw rug, in fact he gets hay and hard feed all year round.
fizzy gets very bad rain scald if shes out in the wet too much so is rugged if we are having prolonged periods of rain, which we have had 4 days of so far.
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see I understand that - I am just shocked at the number of horses that are still rugged for apparently no reason, I don't believe in rugging horses to keep them clean, or in the rain when it's warm providing they are healthy and happy. YO went away for 10 days, and for those 10 days the horses lived out, all rugless including 2 eventers, a mare and 10 month old foal, a TB, a sec A and 3 riding school ponies. It was warm (ish!) and it rained somedays, but they were all warm enough
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I'm in Edinburgh too, heading to the yard soon and I'll be wearing thick sock jods, vest top, t shirt, fleece then body warmer. It's piggin freezing outside! And my girl will have to make do with a rain sheet this evening as it's not quite cold enough to roll out the medium weight rugs
I'm intrigued at the trolling comment..surely this was justa rant rather than sh!t stirring?
I'm intrigued at the trolling comment..surely this was justa rant rather than sh!t stirring?
asbo
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I'm in Edinburgh too, heading to the yard soon and I'll be wearing thick sock jods, vest top, t shirt, fleece then body warmer. It's piggin freezing outside! And my girl will have to make do with a rain sheet this evening as it's not quite cold enough to roll out the medium weight rugs
I'm intrigued at the trolling comment..surely this was justa rant rather than sh!t stirring?
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your mean, better watch, she will be reporting you
its supposed to be like this all week, another good old scottish summer
I'm in Edinburgh too, heading to the yard soon and I'll be wearing thick sock jods, vest top, t shirt, fleece then body warmer. It's piggin freezing outside! And my girl will have to make do with a rain sheet this evening as it's not quite cold enough to roll out the medium weight rugs
I'm intrigued at the trolling comment..surely this was justa rant rather than sh!t stirring?
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your mean, better watch, she will be reporting you
gothdolly
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What about horses with sweetitch, like my Domino, who HAS To be rugged 24/7 or he rubs himself raw?
If it rains he needs a lightweight no fill turnout on because the sweetitch rug clings to him when wet and makes him shiver and shake violently and he has had mild colic from getting so cold and wet in the past. He cannot go unrugged. He would literallly rub himself till he bled.
If it rains he needs a lightweight no fill turnout on because the sweetitch rug clings to him when wet and makes him shiver and shake violently and he has had mild colic from getting so cold and wet in the past. He cannot go unrugged. He would literallly rub himself till he bled.
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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What about horses with sweetitch, like my Domino, who HAS To be rugged 24/7 or he rubs himself raw?
If it rains he needs a lightweight no fill turnout on because the sweetitch rug clings to him when wet and makes him shiver and shake violently and he has had mild colic from getting so cold and wet in the past. He cannot go unrugged. He would literallly rub himself till he bled.
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I get that, it's a medical condition. What I'm talking about is healthy horses, that are fit and well that are being rugged inside or out because the owner thinks it's a bit chilly, or wants to keep them clean or because "everyone else is doing it"
What about horses with sweetitch, like my Domino, who HAS To be rugged 24/7 or he rubs himself raw?
If it rains he needs a lightweight no fill turnout on because the sweetitch rug clings to him when wet and makes him shiver and shake violently and he has had mild colic from getting so cold and wet in the past. He cannot go unrugged. He would literallly rub himself till he bled.
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I get that, it's a medical condition. What I'm talking about is healthy horses, that are fit and well that are being rugged inside or out because the owner thinks it's a bit chilly, or wants to keep them clean or because "everyone else is doing it"
asbo
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ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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well I know of 4 (not on here!) that I know well enough that are all healthy horses, that are still wearing MW stable rugs at night, and no fill turnouts even when it's not raining....
ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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well I know of 4 (not on here!) that I know well enough that are all healthy horses, that are still wearing MW stable rugs at night, and no fill turnouts even when it's not raining....
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ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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well I know of 4 (not on here!) that I know well enough that are all healthy horses, that are still wearing MW stable rugs at night, and no fill turnouts even when it's not raining....
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thats the joy of being a owner, its your horse and your choice to rug/shoe/clip/feed/stable etc etc etc.
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ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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well I know of 4 (not on here!) that I know well enough that are all healthy horses, that are still wearing MW stable rugs at night, and no fill turnouts even when it's not raining....
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thats the joy of being a owner, its your horse and your choice to rug/shoe/clip/feed/stable etc etc etc.
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ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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well I know of 4 (not on here!) that I know well enough that are all healthy horses, that are still wearing MW stable rugs at night, and no fill turnouts even when it's not raining....
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thats the joy of being a owner, its your horse and your choice to rug/shoe/clip/feed/stable etc etc etc.
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true but when does it become someones elses choice - if a horse is literally sweltering is that as bad as a horse freezing?
Like weight - that's owners choice, some prefer to have their horses lean, some chubbier, but when it affects the horse does it stop being their say and start becoming a welfare issue?
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ahh but how do all these people who comment know if the horse is rugged up for a reason or not??
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well I know of 4 (not on here!) that I know well enough that are all healthy horses, that are still wearing MW stable rugs at night, and no fill turnouts even when it's not raining....
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thats the joy of being a owner, its your horse and your choice to rug/shoe/clip/feed/stable etc etc etc.
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true but when does it become someones elses choice - if a horse is literally sweltering is that as bad as a horse freezing?
Like weight - that's owners choice, some prefer to have their horses lean, some chubbier, but when it affects the horse does it stop being their say and start becoming a welfare issue?
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My clydie and gypsy cob are covered head to toe in spic and spans, including belly and udder/sheath covers - they are now very relaxed and happy out in the field since I purchased them. Mine live out 24 x 7 from May to end of October.
When it rains at night, and is below 9 they do have rain coats on - it can get very windy and cold and there is no real shelter in the field they are in.
They are also bathed frequently as I do shows all year, so have no build up of grease in their coats, hence needing protection when it pours down.
Personally I would rather see them in the morning relaxed and happy in their rug, than cold and bunched up by the gate which they are if not given their rain macs.
If I had a clipped show cob, yes I would rug if it were out and it was below 9 or raining. It also would have some protection from the sun and flies in terms of a rug too after being clipped. If I had a tough native that was left unclipped and rarely bathed, then no I would not be rugging.
Years ago I never rugged, but I had tough unclipped and rarely washed natives in a field with good shelter. Personally I prefer to be flexible to the horse and its needs.
When it rains at night, and is below 9 they do have rain coats on - it can get very windy and cold and there is no real shelter in the field they are in.
They are also bathed frequently as I do shows all year, so have no build up of grease in their coats, hence needing protection when it pours down.
Personally I would rather see them in the morning relaxed and happy in their rug, than cold and bunched up by the gate which they are if not given their rain macs.
If I had a clipped show cob, yes I would rug if it were out and it was below 9 or raining. It also would have some protection from the sun and flies in terms of a rug too after being clipped. If I had a tough native that was left unclipped and rarely bathed, then no I would not be rugging.
Years ago I never rugged, but I had tough unclipped and rarely washed natives in a field with good shelter. Personally I prefer to be flexible to the horse and its needs.
asbo
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its a fine line tbh, short of asking said owners why they are doing what they are doing you just dont know if there is a good reason.
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Well my TB insists that it never rained where he was born (Australia) and there's no way he's going out in it.
Consequently, he has a rug on if rain is likley, and comes in at night - EVERY NIGHT!!!
He's fed late afternoon and is walking the fenceline in panic if its late, he shows no interest whatsoever in going back out after his feed.
He's an ex-racer who never spent a night outside since he was with his dam, and at 18 he doesn't want to start now. We did not invent the horse, but we have domesticated them and given them artificial routines, to which they are attached. THEY ARE ALSO INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE PREFERENCES OF THEIR OWN.
I'm sick of the 'natural horse' people preaching about this kind of thing - if you had a cat, would you expect it to live entirely on the mice it could catch on its own????
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I am not a 'natural horseperson'. Cant suffer them tbh!
Well my TB insists that it never rained where he was born (Australia) and there's no way he's going out in it.
Consequently, he has a rug on if rain is likley, and comes in at night - EVERY NIGHT!!!
He's an ex-racer who never spent a night outside since he was with his dam, and at 18 he doesn't want to start now. We did not invent the horse, but we have domesticated them and given them artificial routines, to which they are attached. THEY ARE ALSO INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE PREFERENCES OF THEIR OWN.
I'm sick of the 'natural horse' people preaching about this kind of thing - if you had a cat, would you expect it to live entirely on the mice it could catch on its own????
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I am not a 'natural horseperson'. Cant suffer them tbh!
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Can't be bothered to trawl through thread but maybe there is a reason why the horse is rugged
My major rant is people deciding what is best for other peoples horses without knowing the facts
My major rant is people deciding what is best for other peoples horses without knowing the facts
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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PMSL!
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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PMSL!
Bowen4Horses
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just because a horse can 'survive' at the top of a mountain with wind, rain and snow... it doesn't mean the horse is at their most comfortable in that situation.
my horse is rarely rugged, but in the case of heavy rain or mega hot sun, he has been known to be brought into the stable to keep him comfy. there is no doubt whatsoever that this makes him happier.
my horse is rarely rugged, but in the case of heavy rain or mega hot sun, he has been known to be brought into the stable to keep him comfy. there is no doubt whatsoever that this makes him happier.
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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that really made me chuckle!
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No, absolutely. Only this morning I overheard my horse in the field muttering 'I wish I was a haddock'. Last week he wanted to be a poodle. There's no pleasing some creatures is there?
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Fairynuff
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some of you have pointed out that I havent replied therefore Im not interested in the reasons etc. This is not true, I have to work as my horses need feeding, grooming and skipping out (pm) plus my comp is incredibly slow, soooooooo! I posted to see what reaction was given AND to make you think. If you decide to put a mink lined rug on your horse, well. thats up to you
. I have a pet hate of horses rugged up for no good reason and think that said owners should take a step back and put themselves in such a position. . My favourite soap has just started so I shall love you all and leave you
. Mairi. Naked cobs rool!
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Troll!!!!!
Yes I know that Mairi isn't a troll, but this post is. Have you all not noticed the influx of 'innocent' posts from a certain group of women lately. It's stealth trolling. Have fun discussing the responses, I'm sure it helps with all the stress you lot are feeling at the moment
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Ohhh it all makes sense again
Thanks DD
Troll!!!!!
Yes I know that Mairi isn't a troll, but this post is. Have you all not noticed the influx of 'innocent' posts from a certain group of women lately. It's stealth trolling. Have fun discussing the responses, I'm sure it helps with all the stress you lot are feeling at the moment
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Ohhh it all makes sense again
Thanks DD
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My My. I can't believe this thread is so long. I apologise as I have skipped most of it.
I just want to say that three of mine came almost direct from desert areas, but have not felt cold, even over this winter, living out 24/7 and with only a no-fill summer sheet at the worst of the weather in winter.
I just want to say that three of mine came almost direct from desert areas, but have not felt cold, even over this winter, living out 24/7 and with only a no-fill summer sheet at the worst of the weather in winter.