Making offers

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Flibble

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Pathetic question really I know but here goes.

A horse is advertised for £xxxx ono so I assume its acceptable to make an offer.

What would you anticipate the seller would expect to be offered.

The horse in question is lovely appears to be exactly what I want going back to take out for a hack as tried out in an arena yesterday.

I am not of the type to say its a buyers market so I will not offer silly money as I like the horse and subject to vetting want it.

So could I have some kind advice. The horse isnt overpriced I have seen cheaper and more expensive and I know at the end of the day a horse is only worth what you are willing to pay.
 
If you have found a nice horse that is well priced and you definitely don't want to loose it then I would play safe and go in higher rather than lower.

It would help to know the advertised price. If it is bang on a 1000 mark then I'd probably go for 5%, if it's for example £3250, then I'd go in at 3K as for some reason I always assume they are advertised with the rounded down figure in mind!!!
 
Thank you I aint telling how much he/she is but what you say makes a lot of sense.

I think he/she is advertised with an anticipated rounded down figure she is so nice I dont want to insult the owner/breeder.

Should I just say what price are you looking for ?
 
Fingers crossed for you!

I'd be inclined to ask them what they were expecting for her. (But I'm possibly the world's worst negotiator!)

Just wanted to say I hope it works out.

xx
 
Over here (Ireland) people would be astonished if you didn't haggle, but I know that in England it is somehow considered embarrassing to make an offer - in general I would expect to offer at least 10% - 25% below the asking price and be prepared to wriggle up so that you meet the seller somewhere in the middle. It's fun!
 
I've found the perfect horse for me and I'll be paying the asking price ( subject to vetting ) He is as far as I'm concerned worth every penny. Good luck it's a fantastic feeling when you find your perfect horse.
 
attheponies said:
When buying I don't make an offer until I've had the vet report, this gives you a better idea as to what to offer and any issues identified can affect the price.
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The price should be agreed subject to vetting, if a small problem shows up you can offer less but if it has nothing wrong you are in a more difficult position regarding the price and could well waste the money spent on vetting if the seller will not take a drop.

A 5- 10% below asking price is fair, if buying from the breeder you are usually dealing with an emotional attachment and to insult them would not be a good start so offer a realistic price if you really want it.
 
as a guide mine was advertised as 2100 ono, i offered 1800 and we agreed on 1900 with a nz rug thrown in. (this was a long time ago) my friend looked at a horse priced 3500 and she didnt want to offer silly money and lose the horse so offered 3300 and this was accepted..hope this helps:D
 
be positive said:
The price should be agreed subject to vetting, if a small problem shows up you can offer less but if it has nothing wrong you are in a more difficult position regarding the price and could well waste the money spent on vetting if the seller will not take a drop.

True - bit I wouldn't have the horse vetted unless I really wanted it and was prepared to pay the full asking price if the seller wouldn't drop.
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I think it really depends on the horse but I would always round down like others have said
My first horse was advertised for £1300 but she had a few issues and the lady wanted a quick sale so I offered £800 and she accepted

However my current pony was advertised for less than £500 and he was exactly what I wanted so I gave her full asking price

Very unlike me as I am a good haggler but I know when to be serious
 
I agree with be positive,the price should be agreed pre-vetting. Anything that shows up in the vetting that warrants an amount knocking off/haggling down can then be negotiated over. Whether you've already managed to successfully haggle down before the vetting is neither here nor there afterwards,as you'd reached a price both parties had accepted.
 
Thank you all for your comments. I always feel agree price before vetting then if something comes up discuss.

I think I will say your advert said xxxx or near offer realistically what would you accept.

I am still quaking from the breeder telling me how dreadful someone rode her before and how she wouldnt sell her. Me likee lots.

I wouldnt dream of the it a buyers market take or leave it I will just see.
 
I have been watching this thread intently as I too have been to see the 'ideal' horse for me and wondering what's an acceptable offer to make, subject to vetting. I am going back with RI tomorrow so she can see her and all going well I’d like to make an offer subject to vetting which is arranged for the Friday. Her ad says £2500 ono and she comes with nothing. The owner is giving up riding and offered me her rugs (mw & hw outdoor), bridle, martingale, breastplate stirrups & leathers, leather girth & saddle for £500 or £400 for just her GP leather saddle (she said someone looked at her saddle for her to get a price, she isn’t sure of make etc and I’m useless with saddle values, but it is very comfy!?). The tack and rugs are well used but would help me with getting a start as I have nothing (but more then willing to buy new if that’s best). She is also going to look out other stuff that she might have.

Any thoughts on the best way to tackle an offer on this lot?

Thank you muchly :D

Ps. Sorry for hijacking….
 
Spookywood said:
I have been watching this thread intently as I too have been to see the 'ideal' horse for me and wondering what's an acceptable offer to make, subject to vetting. I am going back with RI tomorrow so she can see her and all going well I’d like to make an offer subject to vetting which is arranged for the Friday. Her ad says £2500 ono and she comes with nothing. The owner is giving up riding and offered me her rugs (mw & hw outdoor), bridle, martingale, breastplate stirrups & leathers, leather girth & saddle for £500 or £400 for just her GP leather saddle (she said someone looked at her saddle for her to get a price, she isn’t sure of make etc and I’m useless with saddle values, but it is very comfy!?). The tack and rugs are well used but would help me with getting a start as I have nothing (but more then willing to buy new if that’s best). She is also going to look out other stuff that she might have.

Any thoughts on the best way to tackle an offer on this lot?

Thank you muchly :D

Ps. Sorry for hijacking….
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In your shoes I'd offer the asking price but to include all equipment as above for no extra.
 
I'd offer the same as above.
I've just bought a horse that was advertised at 5k for 3.5k. I liked her and thought she was worth about 4.5k but I wasn't bothered either way and seller wanted a quick sale so I was in a position to haggle. The horse I bought before that though I adored and gave her a deposit and agreed full asking price after riding the horse for about 10mins.
When I haggle I'm never rude I tell them I like the horse but because of x and y Im only prepared to pay x amount and I understand that's not full price so totally understand if that's no good. My trick is I never increase that offer for a couple of days not even by £100. You have to be prepared to lose the horse sometimes though
 
Spookywood you havent hijacked its important.

I am not prepared to lose the horse I havent looked at many as apparently I am too fussy but this girl ticks all the boxes.

I have been looking slowly since July had one fail the vet September and seen nothing I like since. However I like this one more. I havent booked a vetting yet because I dont want to jinx things.

You are probably right I shall probably pay the asking price she is such a nice mare.

Course the next problem will be making sure she is vetted nicely.

Finally choosing a stable name as I dont really think much of her passport name but that will be another thread if we get that far.

And before everyone dives in why has it taken so long - because I am recovering my nerve having lost it and I have an elderly ill parent who has a relapse every time I look at a Horse for Sale Ad.
 
Thanks Guys. I was thinking that offering the ad price for everything, just wasn't sure if that was cheeky. If she says no I was thinking £2300 for everything except the saddle?

Thanks Flibble :) FWIW I don't think it's wrong to take your time and be fussy. I am being fussy too as I'm determined to make sure I get a horse thats suitable for me and my ability. I don't want to have to sell her again after a few months because I fell in love with the first horse I saw and we were not suited. So I say be as fussy as you need to be :D Good luck with the vetting and the negotiating!!
 
Reading back on my post I do realise that she is ACTUALLY the 1st horse that I have been to see :D But I have been to see one after her and I am super strict on myself about not going to see a horse unless I absolutely think it could be the one after speaking extensively with the owner on the phone.

No real reason for this post, I think I'm just getting a little over excited!!!
 
Spookywood I so wish you were near me so we could be neurotic together.

I have the same system as you and got accused of being a timewaster and not serious by a 'person' on FB because I had shown interest in several horses but not viewed (non of them this 'persons') and because I only want to look in a small search area so I can go back more than once was alos accused of being a 'joy' rider. Said person is a dealer but the words Bargepole and touch spring to mind.

And before anyone shouts I like good Dealers and the last 4 horses have been a proper dealers or should I say producers yards.

Roll on Thursday pm and my hack out on positively the perfect pony I hope.
 
Flibble said:
Spookywood I so wish you were near me so we could be neurotic together.

I have the same system as you and got accused of being a timewaster and not serious by a 'person' on FB because I had shown interest in several horses but not viewed (non of them this 'persons') and because I only want to look in a small search area so I can go back more than once was alos accused of being a 'joy' rider. Said person is a dealer but the words Bargepole and touch spring to mind.

And before anyone shouts I like good Dealers and the last 4 horses have been a proper dealers or should I say producers yards.

Roll on Thursday pm and my hack out on positively the perfect pony I hope.
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Sounds to me like you are the exact opposite of a timewaster and joyrider. Jeez some people just want to try and casue trouble, take no notice!

Good luck on Thursday, looking forward to hearing how it goes.
 
I would definitely be negotiating the price with an ono advert. If someone puts ono on an advert they're inviting you to make an offer and even if I really liked the horse I would still start at least 10% below asking price. They will be expecting it and provided you have reasons for your offer and are polite and non confrontational about it you should be fine. If you don't like haggling get a friend to do it for you. Tell them your max and tell the seller all negotiation is to be done with the friend. That way, should things get heated you can step in and make a different offer. I always do the haggling in our house and I love it!

Spookywood, don't want to put a spanner in the works but unless you're 100% happy that the saddle really does fit the horse then I wouldn't be too worried about having it included in your purchase. I've seen an awful lot of new horses arrive with 'their' tack, only to see that it really doesn't fit very well at all. I think if I were to be looking to buy a horse again I would budget for having my saddler come out and fit the horse with a new/used saddle.

On another note, used saddles have absolutely useless 2nd hand values, I would say even if it's a fantastic make it's unlikely to be sold by a private individual for £400. I've been told be my saddler that my year old black Albion K2 Legend GP is only worth that and it's immaculate, and extra wide too!
 
Have to say-you like the horse, it's a fair price. Just pay it? And stop tryng to gt a few hundred off? Why if its a fair price do you want to do the sellers out of fair money?
 
FWIW I never advertise at the price I expect to get for anything. I expect people to negotiate and so I up the price a little and wait to see what is offered. I get OH to do the haggling as I hate it. He managed to get £1000 off our new box that I would never have been able to do.
Conversley when looking I have a price in mind that I can afford and still look at anything over that that I think will be able to negotiate down.
 
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