Making that decision for an older dog

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With JD’s advancing age, we always keep in mind that we may need to make that decision at any point. Chatting with my mum before, we said how we desperately don’t want to get into a situation where we have left it too late. To me that is unacceptable. But where do you find that point before then?

When she is out walking, you’d look at her in disbelief- walking happily, occasional jog. She’s at the door twice a day every day for her walks. She has a big appetite- loves her food and treats. She moves around the house easily, she gets up and down the stairs multiple times a day (albeit it is slow and a bit of a struggle- We would put a baby gate back on the bottom to stop her coming up, but she gets noticeably distressed when she can’t be up there with whoever it is she wants).
Every vet comments on her heart health- she has the strong and healthy heart of a dog much younger. Perhaps this is a curse as much as a blessing.

But her backend has wasted away noticeably now- she has arthritis in her hips and back legs and is limited in what she can have for it as she is prone to pancreatitis. She seems to cope well on paracetamol, but equally she is a dog who never shows pain, so how much discomfort is she in without us knowing?
She is slow to lie down, where her hind end struggles (but she gets up fast with no problems). She has gone from a very secure dog who was never needy, to one who constantly follows us around and wants to be with someone all the time. She wants someone permanently sat somewhere with her, but this just isn’t possible with busy lives, so she ends up following one or all of us around. This is quite distressing to witness as she was such a secure dog when she was younger.
Other things- she does struggle to clean herself properly now due to not being able to fully reach, so we have to occasionally give her a wipe if she’s had a loose poo. She doesn’t seem distressed by this at all, but I know it’s not ideal. I spoke to the vet about this recently when it started and they said not to worry and it’s common with larger older dogs and just to give her a clean every so often.
She is a little deaf, too, though not fully.

I groom a lot of elderly dogs in my job and I always come away looking at JD in astonishment because she is streets ahead of dogs even younger than her in terms of mobility and cognitive function (I groom a few with obvious dementia). I always said that the day she doesn’t want to walk, or the day those back legs wobble, the decision is made… but I don’t think it’s going to be that clear cut and I swear that dog will still try and go for her walks on her death bed.

Anyone who has been in a similar position, how and why did you come to the decision? Particularly interested in experiences where there has been no major factor (sudden illness or collapse, for instance). We do regularly see the vet for checks and on the last visit, they were not concerned at all and said for her age she is incredible, but I imagine they probably see a lot of dogs in a much worse state (my time as a groomer has shown me that some people allow dogs to fester on far too long…)
 

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The oldest dog we had was 14 and the vet was called and was there within an hour, the first time we saw her struggle to get up from lying down.

The last dog I had PTS had digestive issues and had a separate issue with an old shoulder injury that he had before I got him, he would faceplant/fall forwards when chasing a ball (his biggest joy in life) and struggled with steps. He was only 11.

If my 13 year old makes 14 I will be very happy, but I just don't know if that is going to happen and will just take each day as it comes, he has definitely slowed down since the start of the year. My benchmark is the same as the last one I had who made 14.
 

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My German Shepherd Dog made it to fourteen. Her back end became wobbly and she started to have difficulty in negotiating the very short (5) flight of steps up out of the barge. She was fine on a straight line and still wanted to play with her ball. I consulted her favourite vet, who she had known since she was four months old and we agreed that her QOL was detiorating. She was pts there and then.
I'm a firm believer in "better a day too early than a day too late".
 

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Brandy got reluctant to lie down, and that is definitely pain related. She would get up quickly as it seemed easier. She too wasted away behind. She was pts the day she struggled to get up and had a poo doing so. It should have been six months earlier. My OH didn’t mind the pacing after us, or would shut her away, which was horrible. She was his dog so my input was limited to nagging. I think her clinginess was slight dementia and worry as she hurt.
Brandy hadn’t been for walks for a long time and had only pottered round the garden.
 

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I'm in exactly the same position, he's currently wandering round the kitchen
Sight failing, mostly deaf, on paracetamol & codeine for arthritis , still eating well, but like yours if left alone he gets stressed. Still managing the stairs but I only let him come down on a lead with me as he has slid down out of control before.
I've told my OH, the same as the last one, if I decide it's time I will just do it and tell him afterwards.
The only thing holding me back is having to ring the vets and make the appointment, once I'm ok with that he will go

It's breaking my heart, he was born in my kitchen and I'm going to miss him terribly 😓
 

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I was 'fortunate' in that mine got Pancreatits so that made the decision easier. I still wobbled and left it until she was properly diagnosed (and I was £2.5k poorer!) but then made the decision. I felt incredibly guilty for ages, as she could have recovered, but it seemed like a good point to do it. She was deaf and had just started to pace around in the evenings, which wasn't like her, so I knew she probably was in pain too . With the passage of time I'm grateful that she didn't have to get properly old and lose her dignity. She was such a feisty thing that it was better for her that she went when she did. She was 17 at the time, but her aging happened very quickly.
 

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For me I’ve always divided it into two camps.

1 - if they have an illness which in not curable in the long term. It’s a personal choice and I’m comfortable that I’m in the minority with this.

2 - if they can no longer function as a dog without too much human intervention.


My old boy could have been managed for a few months I’m sure. It was simply old age, his organs beginning to give out. But it wasn’t for me nor him. He’d had. A period two/three months or so before he went where he was unwell with some very minor digestive issues and weight issues. That was it. The day before he was pts he was still pottering around and came on a walk with us (for the last year of his life I let him pick and choose when he wanted to, he always knew when he was up for it better than I did). Still barking at the door, still having treats, still keeping the Sherman tank in check and still giving me a head nudge when I wasn’t ok.
He was nearly 13. He walked into the vets happy. Went off with the nurses doing his charming thing. Dosed off as they fitted the cannula. He died after barely half of needle 1 of 2. Head on my lap, tail still going.

As my Grandfather used to say ‘he died with his boots on’

The rough I lost before him could have carried on on wheels and pain meds I’m sure. And I imagine my corgi dog with his hip dysplasia will one day put me in a similar situation, I dread to imagine it’ll be before his time/before we’re both ready to part but I’ll cross that bridge when it comes.


And after the amount of other peoples dogs I’ve seen go on too long - I wouldn’t change my stance for a second.

I’ve applied it to dogs in their dotage, teens and nearing teens, where time was inevitably always going to run out but equally to dogs in their prime and even young dogs (4, sadly). For me the age of the dog is immaterial, it’s entirely defined by the above two points.

Edited to add more context as sounded cold.
 
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Minor suggestion, but mine is 14 and started getting following me more and getting anxious - the baby gate to stop him following me upstairs even when I had a quick bath then resulted in protest wees on the carpet. I got a crate, lined it with a cot mattress and sheepskin rug so it’s super comfy but not hard for old legs to settle into. He’s not used a crate since he was in single figures but absolutely loves it, to the point of sneaking off for a snooze. No more sad separation wees and a happy dog 😁
 

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Buster already has a pretty comfy bed. Even when he appears to be flat out and snoring, if I leave the room, within 20 seconds he'll be up following me 🙄
 

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Ours had gone downhill suddenly, she'd not eaten for a few days despite trying to coax her with all manner of nice things and in the end had to syringe water down her throat on vets advice. Meantime vets gave us some drugs to try her with as they weren't sure what was wrong, while we waited on the results of a blood test to determine what was wrong. As soon as we got the call to say what it was (acute kidney failure) we took her to be pts which was made by worse by the vet offering us a 'lifeline' in the form of kidney dialysis twice a week. I was so angry, they thought we'd line their pockets to give our precious pooch a few more days/weeks.
 

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To be fair to my vet when I took my last dog in (and yes, I was seeking validation, I spoke to no one else about it), he said yes, absolutely, you're doing the right thing and when I asked if I should go away and have the weekend to think about it, he said 'why?'. It was a bit of a shock but at least he wasn't offering miracle cures to earn loadsamoney.
 

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When I was wondering about Tilly my elderly JRT people on here pointed me to a QOL questionaire. They are online and you can review them as often as you like. It helps to see the small changes for good or bad that you might not notice especially if it is a long gradual downward trend rather than a sudden deterioration.
Tilly was also clingy the last few weeks but physically, although looking frail, was lively in herself when she was awake and eating and drinking well. She showed no signs at all of pain. Her sight was poor due to cateracts and she was likely a bit deaf but there was nothing specific until she started hallucinating (staring into space growling etc) and "hiding" on walks under bushes and things. We made an appointment for the vet to come to us and PTS. In the 4 days between phone call and appointment she started to wee in the house sometimes without realising. On the day she was PTS she weed all down my OH front when he carried her gently downstairs - she was unaware. She went so quickly and peacefully on my lap that the vet said it was very definitely her time. I miss her but I am so glad we did it when we did. The QOL survey can really help you be objective.
 

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To be fair to my vet when I took my last dog in (and yes, I was seeking validation, I spoke to no one else about it), he said yes, absolutely, you're doing the right thing and when I asked if I should go away and have the weekend to think about it, he said 'why?'. It was a bit of a shock but at least he wasn't offering miracle cures to earn loadsamoney.
‘Twas similar here too. He wasn’t great in the morning, I booked him in and found myself saying ‘I think it’s probably time’ which was the first time I’d said it aloud/thought it. I talked about everything we’d done, and where I thought we were at/what my worries were about a very abrupt downward turn. Based on his previous bounce back we did some in-house testing and waited it out, the results came and that was that.

He had reached the end of the road and had been waiting a day or two for both the vet, who was treating him since we moved there, and i to catch him up there. I think I said something to him about being sorry we couldn’t do more and the vet was very good at pointing out that at his age, to go on his way with in real terms little wrong with him aside from everything beginning to stop working at once, that there was nothing to he sorry for/about.

I admit I left and didn’t really cry until much later on, because of that rationale.

It’s the first time with any dog I felt I needed someone to agree with me. No idea why.
 

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I recall with one of our old terrier bitches: unwell for a little while, one problem masked the other, cancer found. We went home to ‘consider things’ after much discussion about the treatment plan and options. We had a lovely evening, albeit it was apparent how sick she was/how it was impacting her now - almost as if the vet saying the word was magic and everyone could see it after four months of lack of clarity. I rang the next day to say we were coming back, she went on her way and the old vet chatted with me after about the common sense approach.

They aren’t like us. They don’t understand/can’t rationalise something like cancer or organ failiure ravaging their bodies, how it makes them feel and how much it changes how they live. I wish more people remembered that.
 

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My 13.5 yr old labradoodle has started pacing and panting a lot. And is also barking a lot more than usual. She is asleep now but has been unusually active all morning. We did have a decorator here so maybe that is why she was so anxious. But I am thinking she is not long for this life now. Bless her. I will monitor for a few days. Xx
 

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I had one in a similar position to you, perhaps slightly worse on back legs than yours sounds and the covid situation made me take the decision.

It was the week before we went into lockdown and it was obvious how the mayhem was going to play out. My work in the lead up was to deal with ways to keep cancer patients on trial drugs in the forthcoming chaos and I essentially had to go on a week long road trip. I wasn’t prepared to leave old dog with a house sitter, home border or kennel him so I had him pts at home, so I could travel for work.

Sounds brutal, but given how vet access played out I made 200% the right decision.
 

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With my last dog his time came when we were not comfortable leaving him to go on a two week holiday. He had started to fall over ant least twice a day and though he still had a good appetite his body functions were all over the place and his cough was bad. He was to go to my uncles house and he had a young dog and kids (which dog was totally fine with historically) but we just didn’t think it would be fair for him to be subjected to the stress. We of course asked the vet should we wait and we could have cancelled the holiday but he fell going into the vets and they said no he’s only going to get worse and will most likely fully collapse very soon due to his advanced heart failure. So he was saved the stress of being away from us and from getting worse and worse.
 

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My collie was almost deaf and her sight wasn’t good but she was eating and drinking normally and came out for a 15 minute potter and seemed happy. She had been for her morning potter and seemed as normal but laid down most of the day and when I got their evening food ready she didn’t come into the kitchen, I took her food to the living room and she wouldn’t eat, I tried with some chicken and she wouldn’t take it from my hand I then found she couldn’t take much weight on her back legs so I decided to arrange PTS the next morning and hoped a good nights sleep would help. She was almost 15 and after a couple of hours I decided it couldn’t wait so took her to the emergency vets, I had been watching her for ages and trying to decide on QOL and wish I had made the call sooner..
 

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I imagine having topts u der covid rules would have been almost unbearable and some dogs would have waited longer than normal x
I had my bitch pts March 2020 so early in covid, the vets were lovely and let me into the room, masked up of course.

She had a mammary tumour and had been sent home the week before with a variety of tablets, but within a couple of days I could see she was not happy so she went straight back to the vets
 

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Both of my late dogs had a major factor occur which ultimately made the decision for us but the months leading up to it as they aged was how you describe - a sort of daily evaluation of what the situation was, only I evaluated against fairly firm lines in the sand.

Everyone’s lines will be a little different and some of it is circumstantial - for example, my boy no longer having a great deal of notice when he needed a poo wasn’t an issue as I worked from home, could remind him to go out frequently and be up in a flash if he needed to go. There was no loss of dignity or hygiene. If he’d had no awareness at all or I wasn’t able to prevent him soiling then that would have been one of my lines. Not being able to rise under their own steam was another significant one.
 

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Mine is 14 and a half. He's pretty deaf, doesn't see as well as he did and stiff getting up.

He still plays with his spaniel friends every day. Gets excited when he spots their car arriving.
Plays with his toy, and will take it off said spaniels.

Sometimes wanders off for a while, and of course can't shout on him but we're on a farm and he toddles back.

The day he doesn't want to play with his toy is the day he goes.
 

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I am at a similar point with one of my JRTs. Only 12 but riddled with arthritis.

She has been on librela 2 years now, but it isn't enough any more. Paracetamol for pain.
Onsior we have just ditched as didn't seem to help.

I have been wavering about asking the vet but decided that while she is still desperate for her walk (down to one a day now) we keep going.

To throw a spanner in the works just as I was steeling myself, She has just started amantadine which is really helping and she is noticeably more comfortable. She has lost her frown. I think that frown might become a guide for me as at some point the amanradine won't be enough.

It is really hard isn't it.
 

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I'm in exactly the same position, he's currently wandering round the kitchen
Sight failing, mostly deaf, on paracetamol & codeine for arthritis , still eating well, but like yours if left alone he gets stressed. Still managing the stairs but I only let him come down on a lead with me as he has slid down out of control before.
I've told my OH, the same as the last one, if I decide it's time I will just do it and tell him afterwards.
The only thing holding me back is having to ring the vets and make the appointment, once I'm ok with that he will go

It's breaking my heart, he was born in my kitchen and I'm going to miss him terribly 😓
Just a quick note to say Buster went over the rainbow bridge last week, vets were super supportive and I am still heartbroken 💔
 

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Just a quick note to say Buster went over the rainbow bridge last week, vets were super supportive and I am still heartbroken 💔
I'm sorry that you had to make the decision, it is always hard. But making it for the benefit of the dog, rather than the human is key.
 
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So sorry he's gone, hopefully in time you will take solace in knowing you made the right decision for him at the right time x
 
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So sorry to read that @tda, it is such an awful decision to make, but making it at the right time is the mark of a good and kind owner. I hope that you are ok (all things considered), and that over time the grief eases and is replaced by the happy memories you have of Buster.
 
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