Making use of good facilties, or cheating????

[Corona]

Just a random conversation I was witness to and thought i'd see what you guys think, i'll reserve my own opinion yet..

Junior sj, has 2 or 3 decent ponies, jumping bn-fox. liveries at a very nice yard with amazing facilities, huge indoor, 3 outdoors etc, hence the yard hosts bsja and unaff shows every week. The bsja/unaff courses are often set up a few days before, in which time said junior has a good pop round them all, practising turns and so forth.

Is this just making use of the facilities available (arena's, jumps) or is this considered a bit naughty?? x

 

[dieseldog]

Making use of the facilities - and the course will only be like that for the first class. Where do you draw the line - should none of us be allowed to jump a 3 stride distance at home?

Is the course builder based at the centre?

 

[Toby_Zaphod]

I believe it is cheating & the rider is gaining an unfair advantage over other competitors. Walk the course by all means, as all riders will have that opportunity prior to the class, but to ride it & practice turns is cheating.

 

[custard]

Hmmmm, inclined to think it's making use of facilities. For instance our local RC is quite happy for folk to hire a course of jumps or dressage arena complete with flower pots etc after an event has finished just so's people can practice.

If said Jnr liveries at a good competition yard they are no doubt paying premium rates for those facilities so because they have more cash at their disposal does that make them cheats?

 

[Weezy]

Jumping a course you intend to compete over, before others have even seen it, is 100% cheating IMO.

 

[Smash]

If it's the exact course they'll be using in the show, then yes it's cheating. Once the course is built, no one should be using it, hence why leaving it till a day or two before it's needed makes sense so as not to incovenience others.

There are practise jumps, aren't there? Use those.

Unfair advantage and also can churn up the gound in certain weathers. It's not on IMO.

 

[TGM]

I think it is cheating to jump the exact course that you know you will be competing over, if other competitors don't have the same opportunity. However, I think the centre must be partly to blame for letting the situation occur - they should only set up the course the night before and liveries should be banned from using the course once set up. Presumably there are other arenas and jumps which can be used by liveries.

 

[TGM]

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Hmmmm, inclined to think it's making use of facilities. For instance our local RC is quite happy for folk to hire a course of jumps or dressage arena complete with flower pots etc after an event has finished just so's people can practice.

[/ QUOTE ] But that is after a competition, and not beforehand. Plus the opportunity is open to all, whereas in the case referred to by the OP the opportunity is only open to liveries at the centre.

 

[Toby_Zaphod]

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Hmmmm, inclined to think it's making use of facilities. For instance our local RC is quite happy for folk to hire a course of jumps or dressage arena complete with flower pots etc after an event has finished just so's people can practice

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EXACTLY! That's AFTER the event, there is no problem with that but prior to an event is cheating.

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Jnr liveries at a good competition yard they are no doubt paying premium rates for those facilities so because they have more cash at their disposal does that make them cheats?

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Amount of cash someone has at their disposal has nothing to do with it? Practising courses & turns on a course that will be used at an event prior to the event being staged is cheating & the YO should close the arena between the setting up & the event commencing.

 

[Boxers]

THIS IS CHEATING.

The venue are at fault for letting liveries have a go around the course before the event. Once the course is set the ring should be closed to ALL.

Perhaps you should report the venue to the BSJA?

 

[dwi]

Cheating definitely. Almost everybody on here will agree that you will jump a course better with practice at stridings etc. its not the same as just hiring out the same venue, that can't be helped and is available to everyone but presumably only the liveries at this yard can practise the course the day before.

 

[bithiah]

Definitely cheating IMO

 

[Puppy]

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Jumping a course you intend to compete over, before others have even seen it, is 100% cheating IMO.

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Agree, and as TGM said, no problem with them doing it <u>afterwards</u>, but <u>before</u> IS cheating - with so many facilities they could practice elsewhere in the yard. Goodness, and this is happening at AFFILIATED competitions??

Hardly fair on the other competitors who invest so much money to compete only not to have the same advantages.

I would have a word with the BSJA!!

I saw this at a local show the other week - a girl jumping the working hunter course in lunch break and then entering it later in the day

I can't say I was surprised as I know this family, and in two shows this last month I've seen her cheat in pretty much every class in various ways

Was very satisfying when Star and I beat her later in the day!!

 

[dieseldog]

It all depends on whether the course builder is based at the centre and is actually building the course or if it is just the centre owners sticking the jumps out for them in advance and then they build the proper course on the day of the show.

Our local centre does school hire with a course of jumps in the morning and day before and then evening competition jumping. It's no different to that.

 

[cobden99]

I try not to leave the ground so am hardly qualified to comment, but I always thought that once the course was built it was closed until the competition? I remember at a breed show a few years ago a junior rider accidentally jumped one of the WH fences the night before the competition. Someone complained and she was disqualified

 

[jules89]

ive been talking to my mum about this and we agree that it is downright cheating. BE xc courses dont allow you to school round be4 competing so why should sj be any different? by all means practice over the "scary fillers" when they are not set up in the course, but to practice over the exact course is cheating.

 

[niagaraduval]

I think it's cheating. We were never allowed near our courses until the morning of the show, where we were allowed to walk it. We weren't allowed or practice over the jumps though. This is totally unfair to other competitors.

 

[Flibble]

Definitely cheating - I am a livery at a centre which regularly holds affiliated and unaffiliated shows and once the course is built we are banned from the arena.
We are allowed however to play if the course is still up after the comp or the next day.

There is no way it can be described as making use of the facilities!!

 

[Jane_Lou]

When I was based at a large competition centre there was always a course up in either the outdoor or indoor, you could school over it as long as it was free. On the morning of a competition the actual course would be built and the arena locked until after the competition when that course would stay up until the next conpetition (but would inevitably change as people moved distances, built grids etc) If someone is practicing over the actual course then yes, this is cheating