Malaga (warning, long post)

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As lots of people have expressed an interest in the future of Malaga, we thought it best to start a new thread as her story was getting lost in the pulled threads.

A quick recap - Malaga is an 18mth grey filly purchased via a rescue forum. When we first saw her, she was at the Safe Haven in stable without any bedding. Of all the horses there, she caused us the greatest worry as she is clearly in the worst state. Malaga was in such poor condition that the DDSV (French departmental vets) should have been alerted. We have seen horses ordered to be euthanised in the same condition. Every bone on her body was visible. She had no bedding, so it is likely that she would only have laid down with exhaustion, and it was evident from the filth on her coat that she had laid down. Her limbs were swollen presumably because of her 24/7 confinement. She was wary of people, and tolerated human touch in a Stockholm Syndrome manner. She had some scarring on her knee, and was too weak stand properly. Her coat was dull and stary, and she was covered in tics and scurf. The look in her eye was heartbreaking.

ERF were granted permission to move her along with two other horses to a nearby foster home which could give more specialised care. Unfortunately, after arranging all the details and arriving with transport, the owner changed her mind and said she would fly out the next day (Monday) to arrange care for her. As yet, the owner has not arrived at the yard although she has finally given permission for a vet to be called this afternoon (we believe Malaga has now been at the safe haven for approx. 2 weeks).

Unfortunately, the owner (Venus) has refused to communicate with ERF and now appears to be shopping around for the cheapest option for her care. It is no surprise that this is the safe haven who have offered to look after her for just costs, no livery charge. GtF continues to advise them but this support cannot continue at this level - she has already spent many hours today on Malaga and her care. ERF have strongly expressed their opinion on this matter but as the owner refuses to acknowledge our e-mails or give us a landline telephone number, there is very little we can do in the immediate future. Welfare issues are difficult and timely to pursue in France.

We have costed the care that we think Malaga requires which is based upon previous experience. Here is the break down:

<font color="blue"> <ul type="square"> Vet visit and chipping and signalement ......110€
Examination ..........................35€
Wormers 5-day panacur ....35€
encysted redworm .....20€
tapeworm wormer ..... 20€
Equilibra 29€ x2 bags + diesel (150km trip to pick up).....64€
Bag sugar beet pulp........10€
Bag crushed barley..........9€
Bag grass nuts.................8€
Farrier...........................40€
Dentist...........................60€
Diesel costs transport to foster home ......20€

sub total so far........... 431€

Livery including:
shavings bedding, stabling, turn out, electricity, water, time, insurance 60€pw

Estimate 10 weeks to have her fit to travel 600€

Additional medication / vets visits at cost. [/list] </font>

At ERF, we feel that yet again, the current YO is being taken advantage of. To be expected to intensively nurse Malaga for nothing towards the bills, let alone the time is unreasonable. There is also the question of knowledge and experience to consider along with basic requirements like insurance. We will wait (and hope) to hear the results of the vet visit.
 

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Very odd that the owner hasnt turned up to see her new horse. Shes supposedly been in france since monday!
I hope she pays the vet/safe haven/ others that are owed for the care of her horse. She was probably conned into all this though and had no idea what she was letting herself in for.
Thanks for the update. I am sure that if the owner doesnt turn up then malaga is a genuine case for appealing for funds for you to help her
 

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god how sad!! I know that it wouldn't help with other cases like this that are going on daily but is there no way that she could be taken away from this person that has ownership?

If the person that has bought her hasn't even bothered to go and see this filly, will she have the ownership papers to prove ownership? If not can't someone 'rescue' this mare back?

p.s. well done for such a fantastic job you are doing, if only there were other people out there wanting to help rather than wanting gratification for making these ponies suffer!
 

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Unbelievable. Good on you and GTF for doing your best for this filly.
 

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The poor filly is the perfect example of why this practice should be stopped. If people are desperate to buy from France they should go out and see the horse and fully understand the costs involved and have total control from the start.
 

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Do these "rescue sites"...and i use the term rescue VERY loosely!!!...have ANY type of agreement with the SH's for payment?

Surely SOMEONE has to pay for the up-keep of thses bloody animals?

can you imagine what would happen if this kind of thing went on here??

oh, wait a minute...Spindles Farm comes to mind......

not alot of difference in my eyes..not alot at all...and these so called sites (and the emotional diarrhea they spout) down to the transporters and the gullible idiots who buy these sorry creatures should be bloody ashamed of themselves...


SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO STOP THIS ABHORENT TRADE.
 

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ERF, you refer to Venus as the owner.

Has any money actually changed hands for the purchase of this mare?
 
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This I feel is where the practice must change and ALL prospective purchasers vetted to ensure that they will, from day of purchase, ensure all care needed is given and that they themselves pay the money AT THE START.
 

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ERF, you refer to Venus as the owner.

Has any money actually changed hands for the purchase of this mare?

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According to the 'forum' the daughter lent Venus the money and yes she has been paid for.
 

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This I feel is where the practice must change and ALL prospective purchasers vetted to ensure that they will, from day of purchase, ensure all care needed is given and that they themselves pay the money AT THE START.

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Of course, if the forum organising the rescue is genuinely rescuing. Thats the point though, they dont care because they are dealing unscrupulously (sp!) NOT actually rescuing!
 

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Dear forum members

I am sorry that so much of this thread has disappeared but following a complaint we felt it wise for the email posted by noir to be removed due it identifying a number of individuals. Unfortunately this has resulted in all the discussion which took place beyond that post also being removed. This was unavoidable.

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You know Admin, I can retrieve all of the further posts from my computer. It takes a little while to do but it can be done, as you may remember when I did it some time ago with another thread which was pulled. I don't know why your computers won't allow you to do this? Or do they and it's just the same problem I have in that it takes too much time?
 

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And I sincerely hope that no-one is going to identify the filly's owner as what you have posted so far is already playing into the hands of the individuals who wish to have this thread pulled.

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And I sincerely hope that no-one is going to identify the filly's owner as what you have posted so far is already playing into the hands of the individuals who wish to have this thread pulled.

HHO Admin

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Don't worry I am not planning on naming names and I am sure no one else is but it is important that the facts don't get lost - if they identify themselves then surely it can be left.
 

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missed it again!

venus is dealer or someone else from the site?

I assume we can use HHO names as certainly don't need another one pulled.

Admin- if it becomes obvious to us that someone has posted names could you delete just that post or the few after it if informed straight away? so the rest of us can carry on.

Just a thought, not really sure how it works though.
 

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It would appear venus is a dealer. And noir knows her. And venus is not actually in france after all. And venus has a daughter...
Thats what ive grasped. Maybe other people can add their findings
 

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thanks teddyt

wow, I got a bit taken in the other night then

even more cynical view required in future then
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I reckon that you've seen and heard the last of Malaga's "owner". What would become of the pony and who would pay her livery and various treatments? Bloody awful people
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I have a horse who came from a well known dodgy dealer in Essex would he be of any help to this if its the same person?? He was a skinny wreck and has some funny ways about him aswel.
 

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Will find out the dealers name again as it isn't me who has him but managed to secure him a very good home with a friend so i will double check the names with her before hand.
 
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