Rottweilers can be fabulous dogs though. W've had two. A bitch who grew-up with my children and was gentle, patient and kind. She died with cancer when she was 12. We were distraught and the house felt so empty so we quickly went out to find a rottie puppy. We couldn't get a bitch as we preferred. I was aware that in this breed there is a great difference in size and build between dogs and bitches, but there were only dog puppies around and we didn't have the patience to wait. So we bought a dog puppy. We adored him, trained him well and socialised him as we had with our bitch. By 10 months old, he was showing signs of aggression. We were firm with him and assumed he was just 'asking the question' about where he was in the hierarchy. Unfortunately, it wasn't a question, but a statement. By 15 months old, he had to be shut away if anyone came to the house as he was making it pretty clear that he would attack them given the chance and he started warning me off if I did anything he didn't like e.g. wiping his paws after a walk (and I was the one who did most of his formal training). We were very upset, but we returned him to the breeder to deal with the problem. I feel sure she will have had to have him PTS (although we tried contacting her, she never let us know). I later heard that several of the pups from that littler had gone the same way - it was clearly a problem in the breeding.
With a sound temperament they are wonderful dogs, but with a poor one they are very dangerious because they are so powerful that a handler can't have much effect if they decide to 'go'.
There are huge numbers of Rottie in the UK though and there have been comparitively few attacks involving them.
I think that they think that the man had collapsed and the dog was trying to wake him up/drag him home....that is what eye witnesses have said. Of course the dog didn't know its own strength.
Anyway, that is what BBC London had to say....not sure what the real outcome will be. Dog got shot anyway, which I suppose would be the initial reaction to any 'mauling incident'. Shame if it was trying to help, right action if not.
I can't believe that you could think thats what happened, the dog KILLED him. According to the police the dog was dangerously out of control hence the armed officers, does this really fit with a dog trying to help someone ????
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I think that they think that the man had collapsed and the dog was trying to wake him up/drag him home....that is what eye witnesses have said. Of course the dog didn't know its own strength.
Anyway, that is what BBC London had to say....not sure what the real outcome will be. Dog got shot anyway, which I suppose would be the initial reaction to any 'mauling incident'. Shame if it was trying to help, right action if not.
The shame is that the man was bitten to death, NOT the dog trying to help that is just not possible. He died from head injuries. I can't understand why so many of you are so quick to defend these dogs.
I don't try to defend a vicious dog, I was responding to someone else saying that whitnesses thought the dog was pulling at his master to 'wake him up' or whatever. That happens to you know! A loyal dog won't just shrug its shoulders and walk off if its beloved owner collapses in the street!
Do you know for a fact that he was bitten or is it just that the reports indicated that the dog was 'dangeriously out of control' (a legal term) because that could have been a mistake.
I know for a fact that the dog killed him, how can you say a loyal dog could accidently do that trying to wake him up or whatever ? do you think its just chance that the same breed of dog keeps being in the news for these attacks ???
whatever the reasons why a dog attacks, if its this size and strength it is going to do a lot of damage. If no one had a dog capable of killing a grown man then these things just wouldn't happen!!!
I didn't need to be there - it is a fact that the man was killed by his dog. that wouldn't happen easily and surely if the previous post was right and the man had collasped why would the so called witnesses just watch the dog trying to help ???
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I know for a fact that the dog killed him, how can you say a loyal dog could accidently do that trying to wake him up or whatever ? do you think its just chance that the same breed of dog keeps being in the news for these attacks ???
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If you could chill out a little and read what is written, you will see that no one is defending the dog if it was attacking him. However, there seems to be some question over whether it was attacking him!
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rotties aren't the breed of choice of the media they are the only dogs along with pitbulls who can KILL!!!
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People will know what happened, if he sustained serious bites, it was an attack, if he didn't, it was an attempted rescue since dogs don't accidentally savage people
thankfully deaths are relatively rare and of course a Rottie is going to do more damage than a chihuahua but saying that just those TWO breeds you mention,kill is complet tosh
Beagle attacks girl Quote from victims mother:
"You always think it's a Pitbull or Rottweiler. It doesn't matter what kind of dog it is, you never know when this will happen to your kid," Irene said
these sites are american where they are trying to justify people having pitbulls as pets. Even then they are not telling of cases where other dogs have killed men. I accept that any dog is capable of attack even to the point of killing a child but only a dog over a certain weight could kill a man. I cannot understand why anyone wants a pet capable of doing this - surely a pet should be a family friend not something capable of such savagary. I worked for a long time as a postie where time after time you hear the same thing after a dog has gone for someone, that it had never done anything like that before. I have been trying to think of a case, in this country of another breed of dog killing and I can't think of any.
*bangs head off wall*
Im very sorry. yes they are american. dog attacks are rare here compared to the US where there is a larger amount of people and animals so yes there will be more incidents.
Hang on...you said there was no other breed other than Rotties or Pit bulls capable of killing...
now its any breed over a certain weight?
any breed is dangerous, to any person or animal, I was out riding when we were attacked by an airedale.
I have known many breeds of dogs, GSDs (you could wrestle these dogs, they were such softies) Boxers (I was bitten by one but dont hold a grudge or view the breed as savage, and Iv known 2 labs to be pts for biting, and have a westiexjr who is the most volatile beast I know, and I hate him, and so your weight theory doesnt really hold...
are you saying that only breeds capable of killing an adult should be banned?
obviously any breed of dog can bite and probably has - but I can only think of those two breeds that have killed anyone. There is no need for anyone to own one as a pet and I cannot understand why people feel the need to own a supposed pet dog that is as large as a grown man and if it attacks can kill.
Guard dogs?
My friend had 3 GSDs, they were trained attack/guard dogs
people genuinely like the breeds, mastiffs etc, I could never see myself owning a chihuahua, poodle, labrador, tibetan terrier etc as I just dont like the breed.
you cant condemn a whole breed for the minorities actions...
I'm not condemning a whole breed, I accept that there are good and bad dogs and good and bad owners of every type but it seems a terrible price is paid sometimes when things go wrong ...
I do think we need to do something about the spread of these breeds of big dogs, when I was a child a GSD was considered a potential dangerous dog and now they seem tame compared to some.
i wish you could meet my dog.she is the kindest,gentlist pet and is regularly patted by the postman.
my oh friend has a jr that would tear your face off given half the chance.