Man dies after being bitten by his own dog?

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thats a pointless argument

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Maybe, I was justt saying tho.

Personally, I would have a rottie, but it wouldn't live in the house - it would have its own pen/kennel, and I wouldn't baby it. I'm not saying that would stop it from being dangerous.

Also I have seen a JR going absolutely mental and tear another dog almost to shreds
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over a stuffed toy.

I also think there should be licenses for dogs, and if you buy a dog from a breeder the animal must be spayed to stop folk breeding cross breeds etc.
 
Tbh i think the biggest flaw made by people - particularly on here - is they generalise. Some generalise that ALL rotties are viscious but the majority on here generalise that ALL rotties that are trained well and brought up well are fine - that is just simply untrue. Your experience shows that. Some dogs are fine but others, with the exact same upbringing, can still be aggressive. It is NOT just down to how they are raised but how they are bred and how they uniquely behave - just like people. Some are nice, some are not. In any case no dog should just be "assumed" to be trustworthy. Some are and some are not.
 
Thank you. I do like to think I am a sensible person, and that is one of the reasons I bought these 2 big dogs. One is here to protect me and my family and my livestock from bear or wolf attacks. The other dog is here to protect the human members of my family from human intervention.

I researched the Akbash breed as thoroughly as I could over the 2 year prior to actually going out and buying one of these puppies and they seemed to fit all the bills. I haven't read any pieces on any Akbash killing a human and I haven't even come across any who have attacked humans but this is not to say it hasn't happened....because I have heard tales about what they are capable of.

I have tried to bring up all of my dogs in a responsible manner. They all live with 24 hour free access to all parts of my farm, however they tend to hang around the farmhouse area. They are very friendly with strangers and apparently are just as friendly when I am not home...that's good in my opinion and something that I hoped they would be like. However I have not had anyone try to break into my home or try to do anything which I and perhaps the dogs would deem incorrect, therefore I have no way of knowing what my dogs would actually do in that type of situation.

I am fairly sure that if someone attacked me then the Malinois would revert to her instincts and would attack back. She is very very attached to me and I believe would protect me. I think the Akbash would not attack a person, her mind doesn't really work in that fashion, however if our household were to be threatened by a pack of wolves or a bear then I have no doubt she would immediately go in there and attack.

The little Springer X's would run away and hide in their beds.

As I said, I took time over chosing the sorts of dogs I felt I needed here and I am happy with my choice. I also hope that they never have to show what they are capable, however in the case of the Akbash, I am sure at some point she will have to.

I would never ever suggest anyone buy an Akbash as a pet though. These dogs are too primitive to be kept in a normal home environment in my opinion.

Hope that explains my situation a bit better.
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I think you make a good point, we all need to be flexible.
I certainly tend to believe all EBT's are amiable and placid & make great family dogs. I was caught out though last week when I met one in a local shopping precinct, which was completely untrustworthy. It didn't do anything and I didn't give it the opportunity, it hid behind it's owner.
I was shocked though that the dog was so untypical of the breed and it appeared a fault of the breeder. It was poor example of the breed in all ways and not a dog I'd allow my children in a room with.....
 
One reason it is less common for people to be hurt by other large breeds is because the rottie is one of the most popular breeds - if you've got 10x more rotties than danes, for example, then the rottie (as a breed) has 10x more opportunities to kill someone. There must be literally thousands of rotties out there who will never hurt anyone.

They're not my favourite breed but if well bred and properly brought up they are OK - but if you get a bad one people take much more notice than they would of an equally aggressive chihuahua. Chihuahua Bites would never make the headlines
 
thanks for your reply tia, your dogs sound great and I have no problem with people having big dogs if they have a job to do. The biggest problem i think with alot of dog owners is they keep their dogs in totally unsuitable environments, too little excercise etc and then are at a loss with what to do with their "problem dogs". I do believe our towns and cities sould be better off without rotties, bulldogs etc but I seem to be a small minority on here.
 
This one is as always an interesting debate. I have a GSD -she's the daftest soppiest thing you could ever meet but I do think if anyone laid a hand on me then she would revert to type.
When i was younger we had a collie X springer spaniel. She was a nasty piece of work with anyone except my mother and I but eventually flipped and savaged my mother. My mum nearly lost her eye and the dog was destroyed. Mum has always liked to think the dog had a brain tumour or something.
My point being people are understandably perhaps very scared of my GSD and whenever there has been a spate of dog attacks we have had abuse from pople when walking her. Everyone thought my collie was the cutest thing you'd ever seen.
Any dog is capable of damage and if they bite the right area of the face or neck capable of killing.
Equally any dog with good breeding, good training and responsible owners is capable of being fantastic. I have known many rockies that were as soft as grease and many labs/ collies/ setters that were vicious as heck.
 
In reality, there is far more open space accessible to dogs in towns than there is in the countryside. My uncle keeps a Dalmatian in a flat in London, and it gets far more daily exercise than my country living dog! He walks the dog for miles off the lead and away from traffic in Hyde Park; where we live we are surrounded by farm land and fields of sheep. There are bad dogs everywhere, not just in towns!
 
I'm not scared of GSDs but I am scared of a lot of rotties. Like I said before any dog of whatever breed can bite but I do find it hard to believe that you know lots of labs/collies/setters "that are as vicious as heck"
 
What are you talking about Sooty???!!!! I can't imagine there being more accessible space in London than in the country, especially the thousands of acres of Forestry Commission land I live near in which you can walk your dogs (and ride of course!) freely as long asyou keep your dog " under control ".

Our dogs have mega exercise, whether it be off the lead in the forest or down at the yard. Two labs who dont know the meaning of the word aggression and a springer who can be quite tricky.

I have known a Rotti who lived next door and I used to go and walk her, she was sweet and soft and never a problem but I am simply scared of the potential that there is for aggression with some of the breeds that were bred to fight and guard. It is naturally inbred in them surely, and will never completely be bred out of them?
 
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Out of interest, has anyone "played dead" with their dogs? Can you tell me how your dogs reacted?

I have with one of ours and I know how she reacted but I am interested to see how many dog owners tell of the same thing happening with their dogs.
 
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Out of interest, has anyone "played dead" with their dogs? Can you tell me how your dogs reacted?

I have with one of ours and I know how she reacted but I am interested to see how many dog owners tell of the same thing happening with their dogs.

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not with a dog but when i passed out a few weeks ago my mum found me on the landing with my two cats climbing all over me mewing.

then when had come round and was sitting on a chair they both jumped on my lap - and my white one is REALLY not a lap cat.

odd..
 
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I know, Lets ban humans as we kill all sorts of things! They can easily butcher and kill whatever we please, some even with our bare hands!

Humans can be kind and gentle one minute and then the smallest thing can make them flip and want to do someone or something harm. If they are left with long enough claws they can gouge eyes out or tear flesh.

Their temperament is usually a direct result of their surrounding, but they can be easily conditioned to harm or maim. Also when provided with the right materials they can be extremely deadly to an animal of any size, whether it knows the animal or not. Some are even deadly and violent for fun!

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Ya wel I fink it tot ja to dis breeds lik jds or jrts rots wen I
c u sayin t ban fings innit.

Perhaps too much mixing of breeds is to blame for the above as it seem to have got worse.
 
just tried it with my two, one just ignored me ! and the other, a collie, lay down with her wet nose in my face - can't say either were going to attack !!!
 
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Out of interest, has anyone "played dead" with their dogs? Can you tell me how your dogs reacted?

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Our Dobermann sleeps with us in our bed.
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Does that count
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With respect do you want a photo of my mothers face?
I've grown up with my uncles farm dogs and most of them where not socialised and therefore not pets. They were on the whole collies and retrievers. Most I wouldn't have trusted with people and were not the cute fluffy critters that on the whole people seem to think those breeds are. My point being that people would try to cuddle those dogs with little understanding that they weren't friendly. My next door neighbours rottie, who even my mum will roll around the floor with, people wouldn't dream of approaching.
 
bonny do you have dogs that are above ankle height???your statements seem to be very anti rotties because YOU are scared of them, i am wary around st bernerds as i was attacked by one (who turned out to be stolen and almost blind) but i wouldnt slate the breed. i have a rottie and a collie but i have more trust in the rottie around my child, that report if you read properly from the witnesses state the dog was licking and pulling the man not savaging!!wat about that mongrel that scratched and nibbled her owner who had passed out after a drug overdose that poor dog saved her life and as a thank you she was destroyed for maiming her face, that was a small dog who took the face off a grown woman through trying to help!!!so before you slate the breed get the facts, jr and little dogs wouldnt get reported for attacking as it is not as good press, im sure you wouldnt slate them if they did.
i agree there are aggressive rotties out there the same as there are aggressive spaniels and collies and labs and terriers and mongrels, i have never been bitten by a rottie while i was in kennels but i was bitten or threatened by dalmation, lab, terriers, collies, st bernerd and a lurcher so any dog is capable of anything and is usually down to bringing up but sometimes health problems in the dog.or other reasons unknown to us. humans are the only savage species who kill and attack for fun.
 
yes I have dogs, collies that are above ankle height, I live and work on a farm. The trouble with subjects like this is everyone is talking about their own experiences - If you read what i wrote i said several times that all dogs can bite. I live next door to a tempermental labrador and i have been bitten by several dogs none of which was a rottweiler.
my question was why people have a need to own dogs that are capable of killing and why when it happens so many of you are so quick to jump to the dogs defence ???
 
I don't think anyone is jumping to the defense of any dog that is proven to have savaged / killed its owner / other people. Any injury to a person caused by a dog is a tragedy and if the dog was guilty of an attack it should be destroyed just as we destroyed ours.
I personally just have an issue with certain dog breeds being demonized by the press. All i would ask is when is the last time you saw an sensationalist headline regarding a labrador attacking someone?
 
maybe there hasn't been a sensationalist headline about a savage labrador killing someone because it dosen't happen ! do you seriously believe the media are conspiring against certain breeds of dogs ?????
 
Please don't try putting words in my mouth.
I don't believe I have ever once uttered the word conspiring in any context. In the same way I did not use the words "savage" [labrador] nor "killing".
If you care to read my post accurately I asked the last time you had seen a headline regarding a labrador attacking someone. I suggest if you do not believe THAT happens you should try talking to a few Drs / Nurses in the A&E departments of the country and ask them.
 
it would hardly be a sensationalist headline because someone got bitten by a dog, i imagine hundreds of people a day get bitten and yes alot of them end up in casualty. Yesterdays attack was in the news because a dog killed someone that is the difference, not the breed of dog.
 
if that man had collapsed how do you know he wasnt dead when he hit the ground you are assuming that the dog killed him because the dog was LICKING AND PULLING dogs know when something is wrong and in this case i believe the dog was trying to help its owner. of course it could happen where a lab kills someone they are just as strong.and sorry but if you feel people should not have dogs that could kill then best wipe out the whole dog population, why do people have to have horses that can kill, or snakes that could kill or any animal that could kill your argument is empty and narrow minded any animal could kill someone or something but the fact is they do not do it for the fun of it.
 
I live in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by beautiful rolling countryside - and it is all farm land! We can use the headlands but cannot let the dogs into crop or animal pasture. I can drive my dog into a nearby town and there are far more places for her to run off the lead. Not many country people have access to pucli open space, and you are very lucky that you do. There is a similar problem with riding round here, although it is easier to keep horses on the defined routes.
 
I'm assuming the dog killed him because he went to hospital where he died from severe head injuries. I'm not the narrow minded one !
 
Firstly you KNEW the dog killed him and now you are ASSUMING the dog killed him.
The fact is we may never know. Having seen how my dog behaves when anyone plays dead with her I would suspect the dog may not have been the direct cause of death but I do not know. I wasn't there and neither were you.
The only thing that we factually know is that an elderly man tragically died.
 
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I'm assuming the dog killed him because he went to hospital where he died from severe head injuries. I'm not the narrow minded one !

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some of the head injuries could have occured when he fell, answer this then why would a dog savage their owner when they have fallen???people like you do my head in because all you see is that a dog has attcked someone or killed someone you dont try to understand why the dog did what it did. i do not condone aggressive dogs at all but there is always a reason why a dog attacks even if unknown to us. what would your answer of been if it been a collie that done this????
 
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Out of interest, has anyone "played dead" with their dogs? Can you tell me how your dogs reacted?

I have with one of ours and I know how she reacted but I am interested to see how many dog owners tell of the same thing happening with their dogs.

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when my dog was about 18 months old, my sister had been playing with her, winding her up, general running and tugging, she then lay face down on the lawn (goodness knows why, shes odd
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only time shes ever bitten my sister, and have just remembered it and was obviously wound up
 
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