Man dies after being bitten by his own dog?

Bonny, you have no idea what you are talking about. ANY dog can kill, even a small dog. For example my friends little girl was hacking out on common and there were a couple with a mongrel dog who just simply without any warning attacked the pony and bit his leg. the pony took off, the little girl came off and damaged her spine. She will never ride again, the pony had such a serious injury to its ligament it had to be retired and no dog could come anywhere near it. Another example is of jack russell attacking a new born baby that did not survive the ordeal.
I have friends with rotties and they are pleasure to be around. I have a great dane and most of my friends have other breeds of dogs and TBH it is how you bring a dog up. Majority of the cases on news are the extremes and almost always the dogs are not handled correctly or are mistreated in one way or another.
BUT TO THE POINT OF YOUR STATEMENT ONLY ROTTIES AND PITBULLS CAN KILL - THAT IS A LOTS OF RUBBISH.
 
Well I don't rough and tumble with my dogs, however I have played dead on a few occasions with a few of my dogs I've had over my lifetime, and all of them did exactly the same as your dog. They pawed, whined, scratched and pulled at my head. I believe this is a fairly natural instinct for most dogs if they believe there is something wrong with an owner whom they see further up the pack than themselves.

I do sort of agree with Bonny though. I'm not really sure why people choose the dogs they do for the situations they live in. I wouldn't have a big dog if I lived in a town, but many people do and that is their prerogative. I would really have a problem with someone keeping an Akbash in a town though. These dogs are rare and have not been designed to be house-dogs, let alone townies. I think Rottweilers have been bred to deal with the changes in lifestyles so they are more compatible to live closely with humans, however they are big strong dogs and should always be kept with care.

I guess it all comes down to freedom to do as we all please and to make our own mind up about certain breeds. I just wish people would do a bit more research when they buy any dog, however I am not saying that people should not have Rottweilers - I actually love Rotties and have never met a "bad" one but I know I can never have one as I live in countryside with lots of sheep and cattle around.....and farmers who would shoot any dog like this if it were to get in with their animals.

Without an autopsy we are all speculating on what happened, but if the man did collapse and the dog was using it's instincts, then any dog would or could have done the same, with the exception of the wounds inflicted.
 
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I'm assuming the dog killed him because he went to hospital where he died from severe head injuries. I'm not the narrow minded one !

[/ QUOTE ] Well that just sounds like he died after hitting his head on the pavement to me! Dog attacks don't tend to result in a death by head injury - but you are obviously determined that he died as a result of an attack by his dog and there is no willingness at all on your part to consider anything else
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maybe there hasn't been a sensationalist headline about a savage labrador killing someone because it dosen't happen ! do you seriously believe the media are conspiring against certain breeds of dogs ?????

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Well Ms Know it all, Labrador's ARE capable of shredding their owner's face, cue 'sensationalist headline' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4685202.stm,
Luckily this owner survived

ETS: I think the owner had attempted suicide and the dog was 'pawing' at the owner to gain a response. Maybe someone else knows if this is the case.
 
Bonny - I'm confused. Yesterday you said that you knew "for a fact" that the dog killed the man, yet today you are saying that you "assumed" he killed him. Which is it to be.

Do you know this man, dog, location?

I may be being cynical, and I don't disagree with everything that you've said, but any dog is capable of killing, directly or indirectly.
 
Yes I have played dead with my dogs, as mentioned in my earlier post. They pawed and scratched at my head and got quite agitated. So this is definitely a possibility in this case.
It all comes down to the size of the dogs imo. Years ago we had a chihuahua who was downright vicious. He bit loads of people several times, including the local policeman.
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Everybody laughed at him! Had one of the GSDs acted in this way I don't think it would have had a very long life.
 
I was talking to the dog warden at work today and he has heard the 2nd version of events, ie the dog was pawing at its owner who had collapsed. The police shot the dog because it was loose they did not want to approach it,, it may well have been gurading its owner. Sad but understandable.

I agree that any dog is dangerous. I agree also that some dogs have been bred to fight or guard and as such may be more likely to attack. I also agree that by virtue of size and power certain breeds could do more damge. But to my mind the main factor is bad ownership - chav owners wanting a 'hard dog' and indescriminate breeding fueled by popularity and the inveitable high price tags.

I do not agree that cross breeds should be maligned - My mongrel is a honey!

BTW the two worst dog attcks we have investigated this year have been a collie and a Bichon frise (the bichon ripped the back of a ladies leg off - gross) - Devil dogs indeed
 
Far too much generalisation going on (as usual). Nobody is defending anything except common sense and the right not to jump to conclusions or tar everything with the same brush.

What if something disturbed this animal to such an extent (owner keels over and knocks himself out) that it reacted towards its owner in such a fashion as to appear to be attacking him. Perhaps things only got crazy when its frantic efforts to rouse its owner were misinterpreted and the dog felt its owner to be threatened? Confusion abounds things escalate and the elderly gentleman subsequently died. So plenty of speculation (not just mine) going on, too.
Not to mention sensationalism. Let's not forget the media hype which surrounds much of what is reported.

If we aren't laying terrified in our beds about mad dogs, animal borne killer viruses, foreign countries with nuclear weapons or the production of frankenstein foods, then, hell, we might just live to survive another day and the human race will carry on.

What will everyone say if the dog is found to be innocent of causing his death?
 
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Can you get all black Rottweilers? I thought they were black and tan.

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They are according to the breed standard
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Black with clearly defined markings as follows: a spot over each eye, on cheeks, as a strip around each side of muzzle, but not on bridge of nose, on throat, two clear triangles on either side of the breast bone, on forelegs from carpus downward to toes, on inside of rear legs from hock to toes, but not completely eliminating black from back of legs, under tail.

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The first Rottie to look exactly like an APB........... Please someone tell me that's an APB
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Funny you should say that......blooming papers eh?
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Well it doesn't look much like a Rottie that's for sure. A quick google showed that the same picture was used in the Mail on Sunday in a story about rottweilers last year...
 
funny looking rottie stupid people and that witness statement is so different from the first link too, the dog was wearing a muzzle you can see that in the picture so i wonder if it did really come off as the rest of that article is bulls**t!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thats not a rottie!! Its an APBT isn't it?
Anyway, just tried playing dead with my dog....he sniffed me, thumped me with a paw a couple of times, then sat down and stared at me!
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A rottweiler!
 
Don't quite know how Bulldogs got drawn into it (Bonny) Who also may I add hasn't been on here long but seems to have Tia down to a T....

Same old argument again and again it boils down to humans using common sense, a faculty which nowerdays is hard to come by!

By the way does my JRT meet the rotty breed standard?!! lol
 
oops, didn't mean bulldogs, meant pitbulls ! sorry. I didn't really mean to start all of this I just had to respond when yet again someone leaps to the defence of the dog that attacked somebody maybe without stopping to think that SOME of these dogs just shouldn't be in peoples houses or out in the streets.
Thats just my opinion and i accept that alot of you don't agree with me but thats what makes life and this forum interesting !
 
Blimey this has got a bit heated hasn't it!!

Firstly I would never believe exactly what is written in the paper... having been interviewed myself by a well known reputable sunday paper and being completely mis-quoted, putting a completely different angle on what I had said!

Also how many times do you see something happen yourself and then when you hear other peoples versions the story gets gradually embelished every time it is told?? Some people will do this knowingly if they think it may mean they can sell their story!!

Secondly I do believe that the newspapers jump on any story to do with certain 'types' of dogs, just for the main reason that it will get the response that like this thread!!
They want a reaction... it sells stories and makes them money!!

My Mum's friend was attacked by her labrador, it savaged her arm and she has had to have a number of operations and it will never be the same, it was quite a few years ago and she still has problems.. the dog was destroyed!! That story wasn't in the news!!

We have got 3 patterdale terriers, 1 border terrier, 1 collie, 1 Lab, 1 GSD x Doberman, and 1 Rottie.

Our Rottie and GSDxDoberman are soft as anything, they are both extremely good natured and all they want is to be petted and cuddled, one of our terriers grabs the Rottie regularly by the neck and tries to shake her but she just walks away and can't be bothered to retaliate. They will both bark at strangers and obviously are more intimidating than the terriers but its the terriers and the collie who are the ones i wouldn't trust...
they are most likey to bite!!

In fact Patterdale terriers have a bit of a reputation too because of what they are traditionaly used for and the fact that bull terrier blood has been bred into them over the years, again ours are soft as butter.... Although if we didn't keep on top of their training its easy to see that can see that they could become a real handful!!

My husband had another Rottie before Jade who was rescued from someone and had kept her locked up in a cage, she was very aggressive only he and his mother could deal with her, and even they couldn't when she was in season. So yep you can get good ones and nasty ones!! But surely this was to do with the upbringing in her case??

The trouble is you get a lot of irresponsible people who will breed litters just to make quick money and not think about whether the dogs they are breeding from are suitable or not. If a dog of any breed has shown any aggression in the past... DON'T breed from it!! If people want a nice dog they need to make sure they go to a reputable breeder and not to the cheapest one!!

I have played dead with our dogs before and got exactly the same response... licking then pawing and nipping, they get more frantic the longer you stay down. So it is a possibilty that it was misunderstood as a mauling

... the fact is we can debate about it as much as we want but nobody will ever know for sure!!

I think we are all agreed that it is very sad for the man's family and that any dog who attacks someone should be destroyed... but don't just narrow mindedly blame the breed as already shown any breed can turn nasty and yes we all agree that the bigger dogs can obviously do more damage but lots of samller animals that we choose to keep as a pets are quite capable of killing us!!
 
The problem is that its an emotive subject for people on here, a lot are dog lovers and quite a few are VERY lerned regarding dogs and behaviour. Any generalisation or stereotyping of breeds just doesn't wash here as so many people have got 'dangerous breeds' who are well behaved doggy citizens.
I dont believe rotties are a bad breed, even the ones who do bite are not bad dogs - they are products of a bad upbringing.
This is coming from someone who was bitten quite badly by a rotty..
 
people are jumping to the dogs defence because we beleive the dog was not attacking the owner, if you look at dog behaviour a little more closly and then read the bulls**t articles then you would be able to see it, the paper cant even identify a bloody rottie for gods sake so why should we be assuming the dog killed the man?if that dog had attaked that man who was unconcious they would not have been able to make out any part of him as the dog would have torn him to pieces but as this is not the case i believe the poor dog who had a muzzle on was being faithful to his owner!!!you still didint answer what you would have to say on the matter if it had been a collie???
 
I seem to keep repeating myself but if you want me to do so again then, ALL dogs can bite but I've owned and worked with collies all my life and known hundreds of them. I have never known a working collie to bite anyone but I accept it could happen the same as any other dog. A collie simply has not got the weight or strength to kill an adult, a rottweiler has surely you can accept that if nothing else ? If you can show me a case where this has happened then i will accept that i am wrong, ok ?
 
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my point is that a jr couldn't physically tear your face off but your rottie could !!
It was common when I was a postie for someone to get bitten and the owner would always look astonished and say the dog had never done anything like that before.

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Gosh, you do talk a load of crap don't you?

The worst bit I've had came from a small terrier- I still have scars.

Have you thought that maybe the dogs just didn't like you?
 
thanks for that, very nice
its got nothing to do with dogs not liking me, dogs biting posties is not a joke, its a real problem and working as one is quite an eye opener......
 
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Out of interest, has anyone "played dead" with their dogs? Can you tell me how your dogs reacted?

I have with one of ours and I know how she reacted but I am interested to see how many dog owners tell of the same thing happening with their dogs.

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I have on occasion (fell asleep watching TV the first time!) and the little buggers nibbled my ears! That's the terriers- they CKSC just laid on me.
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a collie could kill a small adult or even a large adult if bitten in the wrong place, a friend of mine was rushed to hospital after being bitten by a guinea pig as she very nearly bled to death so saying a collie couldnt do it is trash, i own a collie but i will say thay are a very sly breed and if they are going to attack they do it from behind so it would be very easy to catch you unawares.

this man was unconcious when this dog so called killed him so a collie would not need the weight behind it, and that is not answering the question are you telling me that if it had been a collie you would have disagreed that the dog killed him because it didnt have the weight or strength???
well how can a dog kill someone with a bloody muzzle on???the muzzle does not just suddenly break off like the paper implied, and like i said before i wonder if the muzzle came off at all. if that dog had just stayed by his owner and he died the dog would be a hero but because it seems that he was trying to help he is a demon dog. as said by others we wont ever know for sure wat happened but i know where i would put my money on being the true story!!!!!!
 
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