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my 18 yo maiden mare is at stud but has alot of uterine fluid when scanned yesterday,she will be injected to start her season & washed out before & 6 hours after service,i have been given a 50/50 chance of sucessfull pregnancy & am feeling abit low:( i thought it may not be completely straightforward but just hoped it would be ok,any one else had success or not? in a similar senario??
 
foreverhorses said:
my 18 yo maiden mare is at stud but has alot of uterine fluid when scanned yesterday,she will be injected to start her season & washed out before & 6 hours after service,i have been given a 50/50 chance of sucessfull pregnancy & am feeling abit low:( i thought it may not be completely straightforward but just hoped it would be ok,any one else had success or not? in a similar senario??
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Uterine fluid is a natural response to insemination, but left unchecked those mares with delayed uterine clearance (DUC) have a very low chance of pregnancy. However, giving you a 50/50 chance estimate is probably rather unfair. Lavages like that may help, but it depends on the pattern of her response.

Oxytocin is the most important drug to use in DUC mares, as it makes the uterus contract, forcing fluid out. It should be given up to every 4-6 hours from 6 hours after AI until 3 days after ovulation in DUC mares.

Lavages may be prudent if more than 2.5cm fluid are present, and corticosteriod and other treatments may also be sensible.

We get a good deal of "difficult" DUC mares through,and it is quite often the case that they have just been mismanaged, are not difficult, and are often in foal on their first or second cycle (despite previous years with 5 or more failed cycles).

Make sure they know exactly what they are doing, and experienced with these types of mares, and you should have a better chance than 50/50! :)
 
Mmm - 50/50 chance doesn't really mean anything except the stud is covering itself IMHO. I have a 17 year old maiden here at present - she has gone - in two cycles - from being arguably a 50/50 chance to NO chance of getting in foal to my stallion, as in addition to excess fluid pooling, we can't cover her. He absolutely adores her (as he's RID and she's a WB) but the feeling isn't mutual and even right in season she tries to kick his head in. We've managed to AI her once - no good - even after Oxytocin/washout etc. Owners want to try again and we ARE going to try once more - but with a stallion whose semen is easily 'available' (Raj does natural cover and is very ropey about collecting!) But I wouldn't dare suggest a chance as good as 50/50!
 
My sister had the same problem when trying to get her 18yo in foal to Lord David S, in the end they called it a day. Laster heard rumours that his fertility was questionable as he got older so not the best combination. Hopefully you will have more luck.
 
I had this with my older maiden mare who had to be flushed twice and I had to inject her daily for a week after AI. She never took, however I also learnt that fresh AI or natural coverage was less likely to invoke the fluid reaction due to the lack of preservative (can't remember what it was called -ahh bingo Extender!). I decided not to go ahead as the one attempt cost me £800.
Good luck!
 
wow! Yasandcrystal £800 for one cycle or did that include the stud fee? My vet charges a pre-pay 250 and that includes everything to get her in foal and 16/28 and 42 day scans. If the mare goes in foal first time, which they usually do, the vet does well and if it takes multiple cycles I do:). Same for AI and walk in and as Andy Pandy said if we've fluid to deal with its oxy every 4/6 hours.
 
Had awful problems with fluid with my 16 year old maiden last year. Her foal is due any time now!

Vet gave me syringes, needles and oxytocin to inject every 4 hours, I was walking up to her in field, giving her a pat and then stabbing her!

She also stayed in work, we found jumping helped to clear the fluid.

Pregnancy eventually stuck when the vet used plasma in her uterus post AI
 
I have the opposite problem - my 18yr old fart was pooling fluid and cycling continuously, she had her last foal 2yrs ago, we have had this before and run said mare with stallion for years as a companion and to put a smile on his face, no foal as expected but happy stally and mare!!:D So we did the same with this old girl as we had no mares to run him with and didn't want a foal really, plus old fart was screaming the place down day and night and driving both stallions nuts as well as the neighbors.
So had vet check the old girl to make sure if there was any chance and also if by some miracle she did take it wouldn't do her any harm as she is otherwise fit and well, vet gave the OK, so we chucked mare in with stallion and as expected kept cycling until we brought them in for winter. We noticed she was looking rather round, or at least rounder than her usual porky self, in january so had her scanned just incase and hey presto I'm on foal watch and she is due in the next 2 weeks or so - sigh!! - so I wouldn't give up hope!!!:D
 
YasandCrystal said:
I had this with my older maiden mare who had to be flushed twice and I had to inject her daily for a week after AI. She never took, however I also learnt that fresh AI or natural coverage was less likely to invoke the fluid reaction due to the lack of preservative (can't remember what it was called -ahh bingo Extender!). I decided not to go ahead as the one attempt cost me £800.
Good luck!
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Actually the extender does not cause any additional reaction (except in a very tiny minority of cases where the mare is sensitive to an antibiotic in the extender).

Mares in a natural cover scenario are exposed to the stallion, and therefore produce their own oxytocin - which causes the uterus to contract, which in turn clears fluid and debris from the endometrium. In fresh AI, you are probably inseminating fewer total cells, and probably therefore fewer dead sperm; reducing irritation and potentially reducing inflammatory fluid production.
 
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wow! Yasandcrystal £800 for one cycle or did that include the stud fee? My vet charges a pre-pay 250 and that includes everything to get her in foal and 16/28 and 42 day scans. If the mare goes in foal first time, which they usually do, the vet does well and if it takes multiple cycles I do:). Same for AI and walk in and as Andy Pandy said if we've fluid to deal with its oxy every 4/6 hours.
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Yeah stud fee was £250 upfront and the balance for live foal 1st October, which I didn't obviously pay. The cost was for Regumate - pre scanning to check she was suitable/ok for breeding and swab. Then 2 lots of visits for flushing and the daily injection drug they gave me to administer. Then the AI visit from vet. I think also 1 more scan when I knew she hadn't taken. Vet bill was aroud £600. They did say that next time it would be cheaper as they would have her in etc, but I decided that the powers above were telling us this wasn't to be.
So yes when I see a well bred foal for £1,000- £2,000 I think that's actually not a bad price!:)
 
AndyPandy said:
Actually the extender does not cause any additional reaction (except in a very tiny minority of cases where the mare is sensitive to an antibiotic in the extender).

Mares in a natural cover scenario are exposed to the stallion, and therefore produce their own oxytocin - which causes the uterus to contract, which in turn clears fluid and debris from the endometrium. In fresh AI, you are probably inseminating fewer total cells, and probably therefore fewer dead sperm; reducing irritation and potentially reducing inflammatory fluid production.
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That's interesting AndyPandy, probably just because she was older maiden mare then. We had another mare - my daughter's little cob who went for natural coverage (different stallion btw) and she spent the entire summer running with the stallion and loved it!!! That was another tremendous disaster as she didn't take either! with costs around £600.
 
a mare I am trying to get in foal has been proving rather tricky. she is a 10 yo maiden with a tight uteris so she wasn't clearing the fluid too well.

First cycle we tried just oxytocin and antibiotics (semen quality was good), mare didn't take.

As I am only prepared to try 2 cycles this time the vet suggested we do a deep uterine insemination. So the semen was spun down to a higher density and there was hardly any extender used. The stud were a little worried that the semen life would last till it got back home but the vet tested some post insemination and said it was still very good. We then did a levage, oxytocin and anti biotics. Will find out on Monday whether or not we were successful!!

ps - hope I got everything down right!!! I'm more used to dealing with lamenesses than tricky mares!!
 
thankyou for all your replies they have been usefull to read & reasuring too:)
she came into season after being injected but they deceided not to cover her this time to see if she retained more fluid after her wash out,she didnt which is good news,so now waiting for her next season.
fingers crossed she takes first time:)
 
I am having this exact problem with a mare now and the vet said exactly the same as AndyPandy. As soon as she comes into season we will wash her out then start on Oxy
Fingers crossed, good luck
 
congratulations
i am going throught the kinda same thing thou my mare has been scanned 14 days in foal with fluid which am not sure if is normal am just hoping all is well at her 28 day scan a week on thur hope all goes well with your mare xx
 
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