mares seasons

[annaverrall]

My mare was inseminated in April, but didnt take. She came back into season on 9th May, came out on 14th. Vet decided not to inseminate then as she needs agressive treatment due to pooling in her uterus, going through another season might assist expelling any fluid left.

Went to yard today and low and hold my mare is in season, not due till 4th June.
She shows her seasons very well, leaning up against walls kicking and squerting at any passing gelding.

I have never really observed her seasons in past years, only now due to hopefully getting her in foal. She is currently on box rest after injury to her leg.
Is this normal behaviour?
Do i start to count her cycle again from today or from her last season?

 

[JanetGeorge]

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My mare was inseminated in April, but didnt take. She came back into season on 9th May, came out on 14th. Vet decided not to inseminate then as she needs agressive treatment due to pooling in her uterus, going through another season might assist expelling any fluid left.

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Never heard THAT one. The way to deal with fluid is to DEAL with fluid - not hang around hoping it will resolve itself!! Going through another season WON'T clear fluid - unless you have a randy great stallion teasing her every day of that season!

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Went to yard today and low and hold my mare is in season, not due till 4th June.

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Wrong. If she went out on the 14th May she is due to go out on June 4 (roughly). Normally a mare will go out once she has ovulated - and it's roughly 21 days between ovulations (unless there is a persistent follicle - or she just wants to bu**er you around!

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Your mare is in season NOW! You MAY not have enough time to get organised to AI her on this cycle - but I'd be running her past every randy gelding you can find EVERY day - clear that fluid and be sure of the date she goes out. 10 days after she goes out she can be short cycled - and then AI'd 4-6 days later!

But I have to ask if your vet is a Repro specialist? If not, I would get her to a Repro specialist or it will be July/August/September before you get in foal! Mares who pool fluid DO need to be carefully handled, or you'll waste a hell of a lot of time and money!

 

[annaverrall]

Hi sorry i dont think i wrote it write. On the 17 day scan after insemination she had a lot of pooling still even though she had cytotoxin and antibiotics. The vet is a specialist from Bell Equine, and wanted my mare to have a full season to see if it would settle her " agressive uterous" along with further treatment of antibiotics.
So from what you say she is still about 10 days early.
Talk about stress, I didnt think this would be so stressfull
(1st time breeder)

 

[Touchwood]

Mares who pool fluid need to be very carefully managed. You need her scanned BEFORE you inseminate, and clear the fluid before you start, because as soon as you do inseminate, the introduction of a 'foreign body' i.e the semen, will provoke another inflammatory response that you will again need to deal with.

We've just dealt with this ourselves - scanned a mare prior to insemination, some fluid - she had a saline wash out, and plenty of Reprocine. A further scan showed we'd cleared the fluid. We inseminated, and the following day, more fluid (as you would expect), so she has had another wash out, more Reprocine, and plenty of lunging! If she would stand to tease, I would have done that as well, but she has now ovulated so won't.

Having said that, I have a 21 year old mare, who has such an inflammatory response to ANYTHING in the uterus, we cannot wash her out, and she has plenty of reprocine, and plenty of lunging, which does the trick with her!

 

[S_N]

I agree with Touchwood and JG. Exercise whilst in season and teasing are very effective methods to clear the uterus of fluid. Neither of these seem possible for you though. A 1 or 3 ltr saline flush, plus treatments of excenel, oxytocin and reprocine or penicillin, framomycin and reprocine and possibly the use of receptile after cover/insemination can all help. I am genuinely surprised that your vet is not being more aggressive with treatment. If she really does prove problematic, a uterine biopsy might be useful.

 

[annaverrall]

Thanks Touchwood , She had oxytocin after insemination which did make expel alot of the fluid, but it came back. My vet did say she needs a bit of a stay at the practice so they can agressively treat it, he did mention flushing her out and possibly stiching her. I will let you now how it goes.
Thanks for your comments, first time to breeding and learning alot as it goes on

 

[Touchwood]

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Thanks Touchwood , She had oxytocin after insemination which did make expel alot of the fluid, but it came back. My vet did say she needs a bit of a stay at the practice so they can agressively treat it, he did mention flushing her out and possibly stiching her. I will let you now how it goes.
Thanks for your comments, first time to breeding and learning alot as it goes on

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I am with SN here and surprised its not already being agressively treated. Untreated fluid would probably be the number one reason mares don't get in foal, and cycles are expensive and time consuming!

Oxytocin - you need repeated treatments for it to be effective. We give three doses a day, waiting 8 hours until after insemination before the first. We do that as standard practice with every mare even if no fluid shows on the scan.

If she's going to be tricky I would agree it would be a good idea to get her to the vets or a decent AI centre before you waste any more money.

 

[magic104]

I found this, not sure if it would be helpful or not.
A complete estral cycle is around 21 days long. It consists of
1. Estrus (receptivity to the stallion) lasting approximately 5 days
2. Ovulation (release of the egg from the ovary)
3. 24 more hours of receptivity following ovulation
4. Diestrus (not receptive to the stallion) lasting approximately 15 days