max weigt to break shetland?

all about Romeo said:
i was just sharing my experiance and dont expect to have to defend my actions :mad:
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A t no point did anyone ask you defend your actions! You jumped on us for suggesting that the OP might not want to put as much weight on hers as you did on yours. At no point did anyone criticise you, ask you to explain anything.

You are unable to see what is being communicated to you and keep insisting on making up a dialogue in your own mind. NOBODY HAS TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE WRONG TO DO IT. Some however have said that THEY wouldn't do it!

Brick. Wall.
 
EKW said:
Can I just point something out - It's a bloomin Shetland! They were designed to carry men and coal out of the mines! And being the bloody minded little sods that they can be I am pretty sure the critter would have made it well known if he wasn't happy!

What's done is done, it may be reviewed and reconsidered if ever such an oppertunity arose again to break another Shetland but until then the current case is done and dusted!
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I don't think my point is about blo*dy Shetlands anymore. I am more inclined to post on this thread in return to Romeo's excessive temper and inability to comprehend the nature of this forum, or what she has read on this thread. It must be bloomin' hard work to have a mind that equates 'differing opinion' and 'personal attack'.

Urgh.
 
Billie1007 said:
I think the devil is in the detail, I understand it isn't always an issue of weight but your description of stats is significantly different. Firstly the two horses are wildly different and yet still expected to carry the same weight. Your weight on a 14.2 of any build isn't going to be a problem but your weight (or there abouts) on a shetland will be an issue. I wouldn't bet on it having been just a balance issue!
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this was not directed at me then? dont see the OP mentioned anywhere in this post.

at the end of the day its done and i was just sharing my experiance with the OP and it is up to her what weight she finds acceptable.
 
I believe one carried Robbert Downey JR in the second Holmes film. I remember watching the making and that little pony didnt seem to struggle with him at all! I imagine if one can carry him then shetties can carry a 8st adult lady. You just have to be sensible :)

I am 8st and have ridden a few for people, they have never struggled, tbh its always me struggling to sit to the bucks and trying to control the dam thing!
 
Billie1007 said:
I don't think my point is about blo*dy Shetlands anymore. I am more inclined to post on this thread in return to Romeo's excessive temper and inability to comprehend the nature of this forum, or what she has read on this thread. It must be bloomin' hard work to have a mind that equates 'differing opinion' and 'personal attack'.

Urgh.
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you have turned it into a personal attack... you can disagree with me but its done now so there really isnt much point.
 
all about Romeo said:
this was not directed at me then? dont see the OP mentioned anywhere in this post.

at the end of the day its done and i was just sharing my experiance with the OP and it is up to her what weight she finds acceptable.
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Where did I ask you to defend yourself?

You just don't get it. The post clearly wasn't directed at you as it was in response to another user as I said at the beginning of the post - you missed the bit off your quote which says @horsemadelsie! If your question was 'does this make reference to my Shetland' then the answer would be yes.
 
badgermyers said:
I believe one carried Robbert Downey JR in the second Holmes film. I remember watching the making and that little pony didnt seem to struggle with him at all! I imagine if one can carry him then shetties can carry a 8st adult lady. You just have to be sensible :)

I am 8st and have ridden a few for people, they have never struggled, tbh its always me struggling to sit to the bucks and trying to control the dam thing!
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Lol! :)
 
Billie1007 said:
You just don't get it. The post clearly wasn't directed at you as it was in response to another user as I said at the beginning of the post - you missed the bit off your quote which says @horsemadelsie! If your question was 'does this make reference to my Shetland' then the answer would be yes.
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Have a look at how the 2 highlighted sentences contradict each other...
 
all about Romeo said:
Have a look at how the 2 highlighted sentences contradict each other...
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Nope, they definitely don't. I teach semantics and linguistics. Directing something at you would need me to address you and I definitely didn't do that as my post was addressed specifically to someone else. What I did was made reference to your horse and situation. Two very different things.

I can't believe I am having this conversation but I can't seem to stop myself. Apologies to the general public who are watching this but you know when something gets your goat..... (not the shetland in this case).
 
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Agree with billy. Saying I wouldn't do it isn't a personal attack, its a difference of opinion. Just like you have said you wouldn't have used a child, but I have, I don't feel compelled to defend myself or feel insulted, I just accept we all have different opinions.
And nobodys saying shetlands aren't strong for their size, or that the bigger ones can't carry more happily. It's just in my opinion their is a sizeable gap in what I would be happy to back a 9hh pony with & what I would be happy with on a large well built one. I'm sorry if you are offended that I hold a different opinion to yours, but that's all it is, a different opinion.
 
littlelegs said:
Agree with billy. Saying I wouldn't do it isn't a personal attack, its a difference of opinion. Just like you have said you wouldn't have used a child, but I have, I don't feel compelled to defend myself or feel insulted, I just accept we all have different opinions.
And nobodys saying shetlands aren't strong for their size, or that the bigger ones can't carry more happily. It's just in my opinion their is a sizeable gap in what I would be happy to back a 9hh pony with & what I would be happy with on a large well built one. I'm sorry if you are offended that I hold a different opinion to yours, but that's all it is, a different opinion.
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Finally some sense... im happy with anyone having a difference in opinion but i felt billy was making a personal attack, i tried to explain that he was comfortable carrying my weight and it was not for far or long periods. that is what happened. so i couldnt get my head round why she was disagreeing with it as it went really well... if she had directed it at the OP and said in my opinion i wouldnt break with that weight then that would be fair enuff but i felt it was directed at me.
 
Billie1007 said:
Nope, they definitely don't. I teach semantics and linguistics. Directing something at you would need me to address you and I definitely didn't do that as my post was addressed specifically to someone else. What I did was made reference to your horse and situation. Two very different things.

I can't believe I am having this conversation but I can't seem to stop myself. Apologies to the general public who are watching this but you know when something gets your goat..... (not the shetland in this case).
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get over yourself, its done so not entirely sure what you need to argue with me about
 
Shall we end the arguments here and now with an all round applause and a Rock On The Shetland Pony!

Hip Hip .....!!!
Hip Hip ......!!!
Hip Hip .........!!!
 
Poor OP :( The thread almost reached terminal velocity

I weigh 8st but I wouldn't back a lighter/smaller shetland and I'd be wary of backing a bigger one even if they can handle far more than my weight when broken and muscled. I do tend to err on the side of caution though. Now my friend is 4' 11" and weight around 6st...I'd happily use her, not least because she's never sat on a horse in her life :D (I am actually kidding, honest)


All About Romeo - This line concerned me the most, whether you intended it to sound as bad as it did or not:

all about Romeo said:
i backed our shetland when he was 4 years old and i am 8 1/2 stone, he found it difficult to walk with my weight at first but soon balanced himself...
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To be fair to all about Romeo, I don't think it was meant like that. It's not unusual for a newly backed horse to take its first few steps with someone sitting up in a 'can I still walk with them on ok?' way, before realising they can, even if its 8 stone on a stonking 15hh cob, its just a way of double checking they can still balance with you on.
 
littlelegs said:
To be fair to all about Romeo, I don't think it was meant like that. It's not unusual for a newly backed horse to take its first few steps with someone sitting up in a 'can I still walk with them on ok?' way, before realising they can, even if its 8 stone on a stonking 15hh cob, its just a way of double checking they can still balance with you on.
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I understand that, and I assume it wasn't meant the way it was written. Difference between realising they can still walk and actually finding it "difficult" :)
 
I can't even begin to tell you how much this thread made my head hurt today. Romeo hasn't actually worked out that the thread from Littlelegs was in support of my ideas. I give up!
 
The more I read this post the more I have gotten my serious head on !!!!! Dangerous for me :)

I have a 12hh section A, these were also , as far as I understand , bred for heavy coal mine jobs in the valleys, pit ponies , and carrying men and coal on their backs.

So, I am 12 1/2 stone, on the back of this size for size , I should be ok to hack my daughters pony ( which I would love todo) do I think it is right to expect him to do it..... No.

Although many people have told me he will be fine, as nicely put together, I would not like to put him through it.

But that is just me, and if Amy one does ride their smaller ponies, and they feel that they are ok carrying them, then I have to say why not? Just would not do it myself
 
mulledwhine said:
The more I read this post the more I have gotten my serious head on !!!!! Dangerous for me :)

I have a 12hh section A, these were also , as far as I understand , bred for heavy coal mine jobs in the valleys, pit ponies , and carrying men and coal on their backs.

So, I am 12 1/2 stone, on the back of this size for size , I should be ok to hack my daughters pony ( which I would love todo) do I think it is right to expect him to do it..... No.

Although many people have told me he will be fine, as nicely put together, I would not like to put him through it.

But that is just me, and if Amy one does ride their smaller ponies, and they feel that they are ok carrying them, then I have to say why not? Just would not do it myself
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It's funny you say that as I would not voluntarily break a Welsh A unless it was a properly chunky one. I have no qualms breaking my shetlands, I did my darty, Welsh C et al but I wouldn't do an A younger than at least 4.5years old and same with most B's as they are just a bit daintier on the eye than the "heavy" natives.
 
littlelegs said:
To be fair to all about Romeo, I don't think it was meant like that. It's not unusual for a newly backed horse to take its first few steps with someone sitting up in a 'can I still walk with them on ok?' way, before realising they can, even if its 8 stone on a stonking 15hh cob, its just a way of double checking they can still balance with you on.
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thank you, maybe i should have worded it better... i did go on to explain that i had also backed bigger and they also went through that "can i walk ok" way.
 
Billie1007 said:
I can't even begin to tell you how much this thread made my head hurt today. Romeo hasn't actually worked out that the thread from Littlelegs was in support of my ideas. I give up!
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yes i did know, but she just put it in a much better way then you did and you were making a personal attack instead of just saying to the OP that you dont agree with me, which would have been fine
 
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