McJonnas

hello everyone - i am looking for a dilute stallion as well to use on my chestnut mare and have just looked at mcjonnas on the website.

can anyone tell me exactly what the grading requirements for a l3 stallion like mcjonnas are for the ssh? it looks like this is the basic level and isn't much to write home about.
 
Thanks Levantosh
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Crellow4

If you do a search on here you will find quite a few threads about him in the past and obviously a lot more picks of his progeny on the website.
 
There are lots of lovely photo's on the website, I was hoping someone who'd used him would get in touch. I'm particularly interested in imformation about the temperament of his offspring. I talked to Rosalyn today - she is indeed very helpful and remembers my mare as she imported her - small world!!
 
Thankyou Angrove we are really looking forward to Electrum coming to us this year.
He is still a big baby and as his photo shows still has quite a bit of growing and maturing to do but he is a really sweet natured horse.
Was 2nd on his only outing as a yearling at county level in a sport horse class
 
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can anyone tell me exactly what the grading requirements for a l3 stallion like mcjonnas are for the ssh? it looks like this is the basic level and isn't much to write home about.

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According to the Guidelines published on their website, L3 is basic, stallions only need to have 65 to pass, i.e. marks can range from 5-7 out of 10 (to get an average of only 6.5).

In fact according to their news page, this year they have dropped the highest pass rate to just 70 for all stallions (this was all a stallion needed to get L2 status (L1 stallions had to achieve a minimum of 75). So it looks like the standards of the SSH are falling.

As an additional thought - why would a Studbook lower their pass marks rather than raise them? Maybe the powers that be are worried that the lower graded stallions are not eligible for the likes of BEF stallion parades or the Stallion Expo, which will only accept Approved or Licensed stallions.
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your welcome groomsbridge I am a sucker for the TB I just love them and in my book they can't be beaten IMO.
very good luck with Electrum, you might be getting a mare to him I sold last year she is a rare painted TB but is more of an eventer stamp then a racer so we sold her to become a colour producing TB mare. I have passed on your details.
 
From what i read the highest pass rate has not been dropped for all stallions but has been increased for the lower end stallions from 65 to 70% for confirmation,the higher ones have always been 70% but thats only for the confirmation,before the average is worked out from there other scores.Unless i'm looking in the wrong places i don't see where any of the pass marks have been lowered.
 
I used Mcjonnas to breed the most beautiful palomino foal two year back through AI and my mare held 1st time no problems at all, he produces big healthy foals and all of the one's i have seen are fab and a credit to the stallion himself, as for Solaris stud, the advice and support that is always available night or day is second to none, Rosalyn and her family will go that extra mile to do the impossible, i am breeding for a second time and the foal will be due end of May that i think shows the faith i have in Solaris .
 
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From what i read the highest pass rate has not been dropped for all stallions but has been increased for the lower end stallions from 65 to 70% for confirmation,the higher ones have always been 70% but thats only for the confirmation,before the average is worked out from there other scores.Unless i'm looking in the wrong places i don't see where any of the pass marks have been lowered.

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70% has only ever been for "Registered" (or L2). It was 75% for "Licensed" (or L1). THEREFORE they ARE lowering the overall pass mark for L1 status to 70%. If they wanted stallions all to be L1 status then the MINIMUM pass mark should be 75% to keep the same standards. As the Guidelines have been online, I have kept a copy of them all, so its very easy to tell what changes are made on a very regular basis.

They lowered the standards for the mare and youngstock gradings (again going on what has been documented in previous Guidelines), so doing the same for the stallions I guess in their mind is keeping the standards the same.
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Also of note - the SSH is the ONLY UK Studbook that is still only an Associate Member of the WBFSH, along with the Estonian Sport Horse Breeders Society and the Kisberi and Gidran Horse Breeders Association. So its not even a Full Member (unlike the AES, WBS or SHBGB etc) of the WBFSH!

However, back to the orignal posting regarding this stallion. If you take the statistics from the SSH Gradings then he produces mainly 2nd Premium foals (receiving marks of between 5-7 to get an average of between 6-6.9)
 
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However, back to the orignal posting regarding this stallion. If you take the statistics from the SSH Gradings then he produces mainly 2nd Premium foals (receiving marks of between 5-7 to get an average of between 6-6.9)

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thank you. this is very interesting especially in the light of the fact that the ssh inspections may not be as strict as those carried out by other studbooks. i suppose if people want to use this stud to breed just for colour then that may be more acceptable. i might give up looking for diluted stallions.

also thank you to those people who have messaged me about this topic.
 
Just a thought but why does it seem that all the emphasis is laid on the stallion to produce first premium offspring,the mare has just as much to do with it.
We personally bred from a listed stallion a few years back,who now would not have passed the required fields to pass the bottom end of the grading.This produced a first premium filly and two first premiums at the BEF(same filly).

Breeding in general is quite a gamble with no gaurantees regardless of studbook status.

From what i've seen from the stud,colour is not thier main objective.
 
Hey,
A few weeks ago I bought a McJonnas 8 month old Palomino Colt from Solaris Stud. I went to visit Solaris Stud Aka Rosalyn in May Last Year to view Amoureux for one of my brood mares, After a tour of the stud and a look at all the stallion including McJonnas, Rosalyn Invited me and my mum to meet all the 2009 crop of foals, I was like a child in a sweet shop, all the foals were beautiful and of exceptional quality but there was one in particular that caught my eye, a little few week old Palomino Colt 4 white matching stockings up to his knees, huge white blaze and with the sweetest nature ever, he left the herd of horses to come and investigate what we were up to in his field, a few kisses and cuddles later I was head over heals in love, so I plucked up the courage and asked Rosalyn how much he was?? Dream shattered in 2 seconds flat, I already owned 7 horses and was planning on 2 of my mares getting to stud that year, I knew I just couldn't raise that kind of money to buy him :-( I was gutted
I arranged for my mare to go to Amoureux, every time I visited the stud with my mare, I would always have a little sneak to go and see Evanno, I was determined I was going to find away to get this colt in my stables.
On my final visit with my mare Rosalyn asked if I would go and give a hand at the young stock grading in September. We spent a week rubbing, scrubbing, pulling and plaiting all the horses up for grading, Some of the foals were easier than others but the 2 Palomino McJonnas foals were exceptional to handle they just put up with everything we were doing to them, such a short space of time to get them all done I don't think they knew what had hit them, at one stage I was Plaiting Evanno whilst he was lying down, he was just so laid back. Once they were graded I gave him one last kiss and cuddle and set of home knowing I probably would never see him again.
I swear I never shut up about him for months my mum, dad, gran and partner was sick of hearing about him, I was constantly stalking the website to see if he had been sold and 4 months later everyone had given in to me!! we all save some money towards him and I sold my car.
He's been with us 4 weeks now, he just moved in and settled in within minutes, his nature has never changed, really easy to do things with, my Blacksmith can't belive how good he was to get his feet trimmed. Mind he is a little bugger for jumping out of my arena to go and visit his friends, my arena fence is 4'6'' BTW, think I'll be investing in some Stallion fencing this spring lol.
Between McJonnas and Evanno's mum Velita they have produced one top quality foal with a trainable nature,
With the respect to the SSH grading I felt they were a little harsh on the markings this year, the two graders have there type they like and not all horses who would and could make it to the top are getting the recognised marks and premiums they should be getting because they are not that type of horse the graders would normally go for :-(
 
Have had a look at the SSH stallion grading guidlines and it would seem that both L1 and L2 stallions have the same % which seems a bit odd as not much difference between the two categories.

I have not seen any change in the mare and youngstock gradings and try as i may cannot find any.As our filly is due to be regraded this year as a 3yr old i would be very reluctant to grade her with a society that derceases its scores .
 
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Have had a look at the SSH stallion grading guidlines and it would seem that both L1 and L2 stallions have the same % which seems a bit odd as not much difference between the two categories.

I have not seen any change in the mare and youngstock gradings and try as i may cannot find any.As our filly is due to be regraded this year as a 3yr old i would be very reluctant to grade her with a society that derceases its scores .

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There are only ever one set of Guidelines on their website, so you have to be quick to download them before they keep on changing. Just a couple of weeks ago they had L1 as being a minimum of 80%, but within the space of a couple of weeks reduced this to 70%!
 
Unintentionally this thread has become a debate about gradings - not what I intended at all! I do not want to go down the route of pointing out that some coloured stallions are not graded at all yet are used extensively.
The purpose of my post was to enquire whether people were pleased with their McJonnas babies and if they would repeat the process. Thank you to those who have responded in this spirit.
 
I would just like to apologies for not intentionally going on about gradings just couldn't see what the op was going on about.
I did state though that i thought he was a nice horse,producing very nice foals and feel that we as breeders should look at our mares as hard as we look at stallions.
Apologies again
 
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I met all the foals at Solaris this year, and i would have to say that McJonnas foals have the most inquisitive nature. As we arrived i couldnt wait to go and meet the babies, i bought Elanna at a few days old but only met her at beginning of August. All the foals were friendly but Evanno out of McJonnas followed us around, looking for cuddles and kisses! He was not shy, into everything... put his head on my mums shoulder and she thought it was my toddler on her dads back playing jokes on her!! Eunno Buenno was HUGE! Big, strong colt by McJonnas again, same as Evanno, following you around wanting to know what you were up too....
McJonnas is beautifull, you cant appreciate his beauty till you meet him in the flesh! You should phone Roz and arrange to go and see him, you wont be dissapointed!! Oh, and you will be able to meet a Ezanndra a filly foal from last year out of McJonnas.
All in all, i would have to say that Roz is a credit to the breeding program in Scotland, she has wonderfull stallions, mares and of course youngstock!! All her stock are very friendly and well manared!! She is always at the end of the phone to give valued advise day and night!!
 
hi. i have a mcjonnas baby. he will be two this may and is a palamino gelding. I have had him since he was 5months and he is just wonderful.i showed him all last season. he was the youngest and best behaved in every class i entered! he has a beautiful nature and is very quick and keen to learn although he has spirit and can be a cheeky youngster at times but that is to be expected. i do handle him every day and have exposed him to all that i can e.g loading,farrier etc early which helps with behaviour and trust. i have spoken to rosalyn at the stud on several occasions since and she has always been extremely helpful. i would definetely do it again
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yes, it says that i have neither the time nor the money for another one. i have another pony and a new baby at home which is quite enough for now
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