Me and my 4 cockapoos need your help.

twiggy2 said:
and many of those pedigree dogs have terrible health issues,
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When you cross 2 pedigree dogs with health issues what do think the result is going to be, its going to be twice the health problems.

Yes some pedigree dogs do have health problems but a responsible breeder will health test the parents and only breed when they get good results. No one is saying pedigree dogs are the best health wise because clearly some are not. Good breeders breed for a purpose ie working or showing, not all will go to those homes but to the pet market but at least the buyer is aware and has purposely bought from that breeder because of the health testing. A good breeder provides a lifetime backup and will take the dog back if the owner can no longer keep it. A good breeder breeds to improve the breed this cannot be the case with the designer breeders. Unfortunately what gets most peoples back up is these designer breeders who often charge more than the pedigrees involved, no health testing of parents and untruthful claims of being hypoallergenic.

OP Im sorry you have had a rough ride, we all wish your pup well, a lot of people on this forum are involved first hand with rescues and a lot of these designer dogs are coming into rescue with health problems related to either bad breeding practices or breeding from unhealthy unhealth tested parents.
 
Dobiegirl said:
When you cross 2 pedigree dogs with health issues what do think the result is going to be, its going to be twice the health problems.
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Yes I know it can be it was just that the posts GeeGeeboy put up were indicating that all cross breeds were bad and pedigrees were good, and not all cross breeds take the bad side some do some don't but I agree the risk is not wort it
 
bonifer said:
I have explained myself he as a very low immune system so anything like campolobacteria, giardia etc he picks up immediately making him poorly. I dont understand why people are talking about pedigree or not all dogs get ill and I love my dogs even though as one of you said silly names breeders give there dogs mine are COCKAPOOS. I know i cant protect him from all airborne bacteria but I can try and limit the bacteria he comes in contact with. Really dont understand why me trying to do my best is causing some of you to be so anti this.
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Because (as a microbiologist) the concept of disinfecting a whole field is quite frankly bizarre.......

and you haven't explained yourself properly as you still haven't said his diagnosis. There must be an underlying reason for his problems (which will make a difference to peoples' replies depending on what that reason is).
 
amymay said:
The golden retriever came about because someone simply wanted a golden coloured dog....
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Er, that could retrieve, first and foremost. That TV programme last week was a pile of pants.

OP, you keep saying you love your dogs. I love my dogs too, I love my dogs so much I can look at them objectively, see their strengths and their weaknesses and then try to make very tough, unselfish decisions about their quality of life.

Hoping your dog makes a full recovery.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I saw that programme as well and agree with CC it was dire, if this is where you are getting your info from I would check with google first before making statements like that.
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Well regardless of whether that particular programme was dire or not (I thought it was great, and really interesting) - the fact remains that the dogs we have today are all the result of cross breeding for one reason or another. So whilst I absolutely accept the argument that indiscriminate breeding of one dog to another to create something fashionable should be avoided, the fact remains that all our dogs are the result of cross breeding.
 
twiggy2 said:
Yes I know it can be it was just that the posts GeeGeeboy put up were indicating that all cross breeds were bad and pedigrees were good, and not all cross breeds take the bad side some do some don't but I agree the risk is not wort it
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I never once said all crossbreeds were 'bad' I grew up owning mongrels and they were fantastic dogs. However, I don't agree with the current fad of turning out crossbreeds with ridiculous price tags and ridiculous 'cutesy' names.
 
Yes, but not for many decades if not centuries, and usually for a purpose. With all the gazillions of breeds and whoops litters and unwanted dogs out there, is there really a need to create anything 'new' - especially if it's just a case of a 'cute looking pet dog that may or may not shed' - there are plenty out there already which fit the bill.

If I was paying £800 for a dog I'd be expecting to end up on a podium, or the front page of a newspaper, or receiving a citation with it. Each to their own.
 
amymay said:
Well regardless of whether that particular programme was dire or not (I thought it was great, and really interesting) - the fact remains that the dogs we have today are all the result of cross breeding for one reason or another. So whilst I absolutely accept the argument that indiscriminate breeding of one dog to another to create something fashionable should be avoided, the fact remains that all our dogs are the result of cross breeding.
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Not a fact - many breeds started out as landrace strains or as types for a purpose. In the latter case the exact opposite of crossbreeding.
 
amymay said:
Started out......
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Yes - started out - as in were not the result of crossing.

The tv programme was dire and the DNA testing a farce. Aussies & rat terriers turn up in many results - even when full ancestry is known - and these breeds are not likely to be behind shelter mutts in the UK.
 
amymay said:
Indeed. But equally many more have.
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Really - & what facts do you have? Some breeds have used outcrosses BUT the results were not for money but to gain a gene or cross away from a gene. Outcross puppies historically have been carefuly placed or culled and the outcross is not done repeatedly. EG the AKC sanctioned outcross pointer x Dalmation to help eliminate LUA - a dozen generations of backcrossing to put the dogs back into the parent breed. WHWT were selectively bred from the odd & undesirable white puppies that showed up in Cairn litters.
Mass breeding for cutesy names is entirely different.
 
Lurchers are a good example of crossbreeding for a purpose. The do still have problems that can be inherited, but few and far between as they have been bred for generations now to he easy to keep, economical hunting dogs. Although there are so many different types of lurcher, again all bred for a specific purpose, but varying slightly in appearance to suit their intended job. No one claims that lurchers are a breed. They are a type of dog. Both of mine would happily do a day or nights work for the purpose they were bred for. In fact thats why they dont always make great pets. I dont work them by hunting them as such, so I have to find other things to do that use the same skills as hunting would do.

The cost of a decent lurcher? anywhere between £80 and £250. Someone needs to come up with a cutesy new name for lurchers and add a nought on to the price tag :D
 
I would take a fairly good guess that if you need a specific licence for the application of pesticides on areas over a certain threshold the probability is that you will not legally be able to disinfect either. That and the fact that it sounds incredibly damaging to the local environment.

Whether your puppy's condition is a result of poor breeding or just an isolated case, I would be seriously considering the quality of life it will have.

Can anyone tell me what a cockpoo actually is a cross of?
 
My dog who I lost in January reacted badly to the natural bacteria on his own skin.
(And yes, he was a pedigree, bred in the purple, but at least with a five gen pedigree and a bit of research I know what lines to avoid in future)
 
CaveCanem said:
I got the feeling in parts that the script was written in crayon.
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I think you have something there.

Back to OP and the disinfected field even if it's possible no one would ever rent land to someone who was going to attempt such a thing .

And back to the mongerals with fancy names and big price tags really as long as both parents are health tested for issues specific to their breed and the dogs kept well its difficult to say why it's worse than say breeding Labradors or GSDs or any pedigree dogs if people want them it's up to them .
I paid £ 800 for my oldest lab bitch she's nine now and fab dog I don't regret a penny of it .
but I do wish people would give up with the silly names I have to stop my self saying OH you means it's a mongeral where one parent was an X and one a Y.
 
bonifer said:
I have explained myself he as a very low immune system so anything like campolobacteria gardia etc he picks up immediately making him poorly. I dont understand why people are talking about pedigree or not all dogs get ill and I love my dogs even though as one of you said silly names breeders give there dogs mine are COCKAPOOS. I know i cant protect him from all airborne bacteria but I can try and limit the bacteria he comes in contact with. Really dont understand why me trying to do my best is causing some of you to be so anti this. As for the breeder all my 4 came from them and they are not ill and have been tested to check they have no bacteria which could pass on. As for the field I just wanted somewhere although not perfect better than a field which hundreds of dogs have used where many owners dont pick up after them and leave germs.
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A pup with a lowered immune system should still be allowed a good quality of life.
The dogs he live with also deserve a good quality of life.

He may have a lowered immune system..(im assuming he has had tests to rule out an serious underlying illness's? )if nothing was found causing immunosuppression but theres also a possibility that he may have just been one of those very unlucky pups who picks up those diseases easily and having one does make them more likely to pick up the other!......but having those issues as a pup are not a reason to condemn the entire household to disinfection and or restricted walks. Its not realistic or sensible to try and kill off every bacteria the poor creature comes in contact with. Damage control and limitation makes sense but trying to disinfect an entire field is lunacy not to mention likely illegal under environmental laws...Im a little bit concerned that your vet suggested it....

To limit the chances of picking up infections you can do different things like
If hes a scavenger walk him in a muzzle so he cant eat things,
try to stop him drinking from dirty puddles or eating other dogs crap
Have him on a balanced diet and dont feed him raw meat(sorry guys but raw food unless and a pup whos picked up campylobacter and giardia is a bad mix)
Keep him up to date with vaccination and use preventative parasitics so that he has all the odds in his favour.......but let him and his pack be dogs!

Any dog can get Giardia(a parasite) or campylobactor (a bacterial infection) and pups are very susceptible to it in the same way as children and old people are.....but we dont condemn children who get those diseases to live in bubbles for life. Germs are a part of life and his immune sytem needs to be challenged in order to continue to develop protective mechanisms...being ill sometimes is part of life...

Also any pics? I bet your lot are lovely dogs!
 
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