Meat colts - the true cost of rescuing them (a diary)

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Being a total soft touch I responded to a Facebook appeal

40 horses need moving tonight as going to slaughter tomorrow!

Initially I thought it was a scam so just watched the posts but as people started posting pictures and saying they would deliver for fuel, it became apparent that it was genuine. So a 9pm with fading light me and my OH drove the 20 miles to go an have a look.

We got there and there was about 12 left, corralled in a little pen. They were being chased round by men trying to catch them. What I witnessed was barbaric! They were being caught by being grabbed by the ear, the guy then clung on while the pony did laps of the coral until 2 other guys were able to help wrestle the poor thing to the floor and get a headcollar on. The ones that were more 'sprightly' ie kicked and bit, had ropes thrown round their back legs and were tripped up then pinned. The whole thing made me feel sick and made me all the more adamant that 2 were definitely going to get a better life.

Not having transport at the minute, I opted for the delivery option (to be delivered the next morning) and paid a deposit to cover fuel. I picked out "my two" - a lovely blue colt standing at about 13hh who looked about 18 months old, and a pathetic little foal who looked totally bewildered and too young to have been away from his mum :( I'd have put him at about 4 or 5 months going off what my boy looked like at that age.

So I went home and debated in my head what was the best thing to do with them initially. My options were:

1) turn out in the 'fatty' paddock which mine are in during the day - size about 3 acres. Having had youngsters before I knew that if I did this I would spend weeks (with these being feral) before I would be able to handle them. So I eliminated this option. Plus it would mean mine would be on full fat grass 24/7...

2) Put them in the 'trash paddock'. It is what the previous owners used for winter turnout. It is half an acre or so and has a field shelter. Decided this option was out as the field directly next to it is 11 acres and I am loaning it to a local farmer to out his calves on. If they got out I'd never catch them, and if the cows caught anything of the horses I wouldn't be popular.

3) put them in the back garden as the lawn needs cutting - it's not as silly as it sounds. My two go in periodically if the grass gets on top if me. This may be an option for initial turnout but I settled on option 4.

4) stable them and have yard turnout during the quarantine period to prevent the fields being contaminated by worms. Then put them in the garden for a couple of weeks. This will allow them to talk over the fence to my two, before being introduced to the big, bad grown ups.

So I went to bed dreaming of these cuties and trying to think of names

The be on the far right is blue and white but very deeply snowflake dapple. Absolutely lovely! For a cob ;) He was standing about 13h2 so I'm guessing will make 15hh

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This is a closure but it was such a crush it was hard to get a nice pic :(

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Then there was this little guy. Totally bewildered, lost and sad looking. Only a foal standing about 12h so potential of 14-15hh...

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SLEEP

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I woke up somewhat hopeful and rushed to get everything ready for the dentist (who was turning up that morning to sort mine). Quarantine are was setup by the time the dentist arrived and I prayed that they wouldn't arrive before mine were back out. They didn't. In fact they didn't turn up at all :( I had been scammed.

After about half 4 I put appeals on the FB posts to see if someone had contact details but no one did. I did however find out that they own a scrap yard, have 300 horses and the husband of the family is in prison - hmmmm

One girl contacted me saying that there were another 18 and she was going with a livestock trailer to get one and would I like one picking up. So basically someone else picked for me. He was delivered at about 10pm and seemed totally chilled about the whole thing.

He is about 11h2 and judging by the fact he has a fullish tail he's about 18months old. So is not going to make anywhere near what we need - so he is either going to be backed and rehomed when he is old enough, or be kept as a lead rein pony for ready for when we have kids. Either way he isn't going to be put in a tin :)

So this was him on his arrival - he has mild ringworm, a big wormy belly and a sunburned nose :(

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And this was him this morning after a night in the stable - I am going to learn a lot about stable stains it seems...

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He is all grey on the body (pink skinned) apart from one blob on the other side. So we have decided to call him Oreo. Not sure whether we are going to give him a 'full' name but if we do it will probably be Rishton's Dunkable Oreo.

The vet is coming out tomorrow to check him over, sort out worming, vaccinations, ringworm treatment see if he is chipped and sort a passport.

So now for the COST (not a final total for the vet yet)

£50 for the horse
£20 scammed out of fuel money
£36 callout for the vet
£24 examination fee
£33.24 for anti fungal shampoo (for horse and surroundings)
£18.08 wormer

Plus whatever it costs for jags and passport

So so far the £50 horse has cost £181.32

I'd like to add at the end of this - I am not penny pinching by listing the costs. The idea of this thread is to give anyone who is thinking of rescuing a meat horse an idea of the real costs involved and also to give a warts-and-all account of the highs and lows.

So that is Oreo :)
 
I hope all ends well for you & the colt. I think it is a really good idea of yours to give those that may be thinking of doing the same some idea of the costs & what they may need to do as I am sure a few people will buy meat foals without considering whether they have the where with all to do their best by them. Well done you by the way.
 
Great idea, I hope you can keep the thread updated periodically as things cost wise progress.
There is no such thing as a free horse, or a £50 horse in your case, and this may make a few people think twice before committing. Sadly, too many people rush to help and don't always realise the full and true cost of what they're about to embark onto.
What a shame the one you ended up with won't be big enough for what you really wanted, but maybe a driving prospect if you fancied something to give him a job in the future?
 
My 'non-horsey' friend rang me about this as she had seen it all over Facebook and (like you) I said it had to be a scam of some sorts but then she said people were actually turning up for the horses / ponies.

I guess it is still a scam really as they would never have been sent for meat as it would have cost the owner far too much to have 300 horses despatched of in such a way, so I guess they thought up this master plan - and it worked.

What really saddens me though, is some of the horses / ponies sold that day may not be much better off than they were before. Yours will be living the life of luxury from now on but a lot of people will have gone with the attitude of "ooh goody, 50 quid for a horse", without thinking of the long term cost and time implications of horse ownership.

I kind of think my friend wanted me to go over and have a look but I figured, what the eye can't see, the heart can't grieve over (or whatever the saying is). Plus, I would have probably come back with half a dozen!!
 
Bless you, that was a nice thing to do, sorry to hear about the scamming! I hope Oreo blossoms into a fine young man and does you proud :-)

When it comes to costs, you'll probably forget about that after a while, it never seems so bad in hindsight!

I do kind of think it's all a big fiasco, the people breed meat horses, people buy them to save them, they breed more, making money all the while... I'm not slating you at all I just think it's a neverending circle really isn't it :-(
 
It might be a scam, but quite likely to be genuine too - there are a couple of scrub fields near Gatwick airport full of coloured cobs, and the owner sends a couple of lorry loads to the Continent each year for meat, he says he earns more money from them than he would running beef bullocks on the land.
 
This ^^^ I hope you both have great fun together. I did the same as you saw a photo of a very under weight and scabby colt and thought no one will want him. Unfortunately they didn't and he came to me. This is the total so far.

£100.00 cost of colt and delivery
£126.00 cost of first vet visit including 1st injec and sedation as couldn't get near his feet and they were dreadful, all curled up and they needed sorting.
£28.00 cost of switch as had lice
£32.00 cost of two wormer's
£285.00 cost of second vets visit 2nd injec and castration.
£28.00 cost of passport (the one he came with was not his microchip didn't match up)
£5.00 cost of adding name to microchip (fortunately someone had registered the chip but not put any info on)

So far hes cost £604.00 if my maths right. This does not include his feed or taking into account any issues they have. Mine has been thrashed and hes very scared of everything and panics. Hence having to sedate to trim as he wouldn't let any one near him. It was fun doing the wall of death with the vet. Mine I know is extreme case and he has to be handled very carefully or he will panic strike out at you, rear and try tank off (sometimes all together ha ha). It drives me nuts, its one step forward and 3 three back. But hes here and thats that. Its not the cost I knew it would cost me a lot more, for me its the issues that hes come with. He is far from an easy pony and probably never will be, so its something else to consider.
 
Thanks everyone :)

Bobble - like you, the money isn't the thing for me either. It is good to highlight the hidden costs though eh?

It's a horrid horrid scam to play on peoples sympathies now via social media. If they sent them to market they would have had to have them passported and chipped when they got there and paid for transport. And then maybe only have got £50. This way it's easy money for them :( I know it isn't helping by buying them but it's heartbreaking and I'm a soft touch.

He difference between him and my boy who I had from being 3 weeks is incredible. He is so wary it's sad. He's a friendly chap who really wants to be with people (and cats) it seems so I think he will come round.

Just uploading some more pictures ;)

Next job is to try and get a halter back on him - that's going to be fun!
 
Lucky Oreo. :) I look forward to updates on his progress. I bet he'll soon be transformed.

On a side note as he has pink skin (he looks like a tobiano) he could sunburn on his body too - well anywhere on the white patch. You might need to get him a UV rug and be aware of things that they can eat that can cause photosensitivity and avoid them.
 
Lucky Oreo. :) I look forward to updates on his progress. I bet he'll soon be transformed.

On a side note as he has pink skin (he looks like a tobiano) he could sunburn on his body too - well anywhere on the white patch. You might need to get him a UV rug and be aware of things that they can eat that can cause photosensitivity and avoid them.

Yeah he is very pink. His nose is burned but back seems OK. I need to get hi a fly rug yet but first I need to measure him - which means manhandling him a little ;) He has come from very horse sour pasture, heavy with buttercups. Mine is much more suited to horses so he should be OK. My boy Inky has a very pink nose and has always burned - this year he hasn't even needed sunblock :) the grazing seems to suit.
 
Yep buttercups are one of the ones that cause photosensitivity. So having moved him off that should help. :) Watch alfalfa, I've had to stop feeding it for that reason.
 
Meeting OH (and one of the cats)

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Learning that men aren't all bad - nice scritches

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Not sure about freedom...

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Getting braver and having a nosy

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His 'Oreo'

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And he turned when I called his name :)

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Just looked out of the window and he is currently having a lay down snooze in his stable :)

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Great idea to have an honest breakdown of the costs. So many are 'rescued' then on Facebook a couple of weeks later because the new owner can't afford what needs doing... or lacks the skill to get close.

He is a very lucky boy indeed. What's your plan now you ended up with a smaller one? Keep him and eventually sell on? Or will you find something for him to do?

Another one who absolutely loves your yard. I want ;)
 
All i can say is Awwwwwww :) well done to you! and i saw the original pictures you were talking about on facebook and was unsure if it was a scam or not and sorry to hear you got caught into it...

He looks like he is already coming out of his shell :) (We need lots of pictures!)
 
I hope this wasn't from who and where I think it was from because they are renowned for doing this to get money in..and then replace and repeat...
 
What the circumstances of this colt's beginnings and arrival, there is no quiestion that he has won a golden ticket. I bet he will surpass all your expectations.

My best "horse" is a 14.2hh cob, very similar in build. Got him a little foal off a gypsy "sale", £60 because I am a sucker for a womr-riddles sob story. Competing BE90 now, hunting with the hounds as though he was born for it. My cob has given back every penny and every tear I have spent on him with extreme loyalty and commitment to being a good pony. I would never had expected it. In fact, in the end I sold my KWPN mare for him he was supposed to be a companion because I ended up having so much more fun with him and she was a stress head lol!!
 
Great idea to have an honest breakdown of the costs. So many are 'rescued' then on Facebook a couple of weeks later because the new owner can't afford what needs doing... or lacks the skill to get close.

He is a very lucky boy indeed. What's your plan now you ended up with a smaller one? Keep him and eventually sell on? Or will you find something for him to do?

Another one who absolutely loves your yard. I want ;)

I do want warn people a bit as I have had youngsters before and they are not as easy as people think. Mostly they are a dream but gosh, those moments they can have...

The plan with him is to keep him at least until he is old enough to be backed. I've been saying for a while that 3 is the perfect number so I have my wish :) in the future he will either be a lead rein pony for potential children or if he is a bit sharper, we will rehome him. It won't be a first with the cash can have him, the home will have to be right. But we will probably keep him!

As for the yard - I love it. It's rented, but if I was to do my own I would do the U-shape with gate across. It just works so well :) behind the stables is a school and jumping paddock and behind that one of the fields, past that the muck heap (muck has to be trailered which is the only downside). There are another 14 acres behind the house. All this is far far less than it would cost to rent a 2 bed semi and have 2 horses in livery. I feel very very fortunate to live here :)

My best "horse" is a 14.2hh cob, very similar in build. Got him a little foal off a gypsy "sale", £60 because I am a sucker for a womr-riddles sob story. Competing BE90 now, hunting with the hounds as though he was born for it. My cob has given back every penny and every tear I have spent on him with extreme loyalty and commitment to being a good pony. I would never had expected it. In fact, in the end I sold my KWPN mare for him he was supposed to be a companion because I ended up having so much more fun with him and she was a stress head lol!!

Sounds like you got a corker there. Sometimes the unexpected surprises us eh? My mare was supposed to be a project to sell but she is so good she is never leaving :)

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The vet is coming tomorrow at 5 and I just had a panic as he has never been haltered other than the trauma of his move. So took the softly softly approach with the plan of getting him comfortable with just being touched with it today. He was that unfazed that I popped it straight on him! And took it off and put it back on again as I though it was a fluke. Nope - he was fine. This is the poor little ****** they wrestled to the floor to get it on to transport him :(

He is such a forgiving little chap :)

Nonplussed by the whole affair

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And to show how wee he is

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Oh what a happy ending for little Oreo! Yes, there is the replace and repeat issue, but that will go on and on as long as there is a horse meat market, and I wish I was in a position to do a similar thing and help just one of these poor souls. Really well done on taking the chance, I hope he rewards you. I love the photo of him the open stable doorway, looking like he wants to pinch himself to make sure it's not a dream. Keep us posted as he grows!
 
OP you are an absolute star in my eyes for rescuing this little chap. He looks so cute and will most likely make a lovely steady pony in the fullness of time.

Well done also for being prepared to share the costs of such a rescue with us. It all helps open our eyes and our minds to what is involved.

I've just lost one of mine to an accident and this is the first time I've posted since. I was trying to keep away from the forum for a while but this thread has stopped my lurking because I felt the need to congratulate you on a) what you've done and b) for being willing to take on all the work ahead of you getting Oreo sorted out. I wish you the very best of luck - and also to anyone else who has stepped in and rescued one of these poor ponies.
 
OP you are an absolute star in my eyes for rescuing this little chap. He looks so cute and will most likely make a lovely steady pony in the fullness of time.

Well done also for being prepared to share the costs of such a rescue with us. It all helps open our eyes and our minds to what is involved.

I've just lost one of mine to an accident and this is the first time I've posted since. I was trying to keep away from the forum for a while but this thread has stopped my lurking because I felt the need to congratulate you on a) what you've done and b) for being willing to take on all the work ahead of you getting Oreo sorted out. I wish you the very best of luck - and also to anyone else who has stepped in and rescued one of these poor ponies.

3OP I'm so sorry to hear that :( time is a healer and eventually you will be able to look back at the memories and smile rather than weep. I feel for you - we lost one about 6 months ago and it was sudden and heartbreaking. Please don't lurk - talk to us and let us all help you through it.

I don't feel particularly special - just like a bit of a mug who has been duped... But I know if I hadn't have paid the £50 he would have gone for meat :( I couldn't have coped with that knowing I could have 'saved' one and didn't. As much as this just makes the problem worse.
 
What I can't my head around is that anyone can make any money from breeding meat colts and selling them for £50.00. Its not a business proposition.

They have 300 horses. I'd say there are 100 mares with foals and 100 yearlings. The fillies they sell (presumably on DD and the like) and I was told they go for between £400 and £600. So even if we say 50 fillies at £400 that leaves 50 colts they need 'rid of' at £50 that makes £25k a year. And this is just a sideline for them...

ETA - they don't breed them for meat, the colts are just of no value to them :(
 
What a lovely thing to do.

I would love to know what's going his head right now. The photo where he's not coming out of his stable says it all. ' I love my new room, don't want to leave it'

Look forward to updates on this lucky little fella.
 
3OP I'm so sorry to hear that :( time is a healer and eventually you will be able to look back at the memories and smile rather than weep. I feel for you - we lost one about 6 months ago and it was sudden and heartbreaking. Please don't lurk - talk to us and let us all help you through it.

Thanks Fides, sorry to hear that you too have lost one so recently. When I feel able I probably will talk, but for the moment, it is still all too raw and I'm not sure I can share what happened just yet while still trying to come to terms with it myself. I really do appreciate your kind comment.

I was going on to say on my original message that I would love to be able to rescue another pony but emotion got in the way. The one I lost was a rescue, albeit I rescued him and his field mate 19 years ago so I can understand a little of what OP is taking on here. My 2 weren't so young, although one wasn't broken to do anything (at 6 yrs old)and the other turned out to be a very confused and misunderstood riggy cob. Both were/are so beautiful and made all the hard work worth it.

Oreo looks such a kind sort of little boy in a lost kind of way, really looking forward to updates on his progress. He's going to be so handsome when he fills out. Which I'm sure he will do quite quickly now that he is in safe hands.
 
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