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So I've yet to see any kind of usefull response from either Tic Tac or Over2You regarding how they would manage meat or waste production if abbotoirs were closed down.

Really - anything, any ideas at all????????????
 
Historically horses at sales have always been sold in guineas. My first pony was bought from the importer in guineas many years ago.
 
This appears to have turned into an episode of Jeremy Kyle! Is there any need for some people to be so rude and provoking? I think some people are just using this thread now as a reason to be vile
 
MosMum said:
Why are horses selling for guineas? Is this in another country or do the sales work differently to 'normal' UK money? Or is 'gns' slang for something? Sorry.
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Being an American transplant, I had to look it up when I first read about the horse selling for guineas, and this is what I found:
Even after the coin ceased to circulate, the name guinea was long used to indicate the amount of 21 shillings (£1.05 in decimalised currency). The guinea had an aristocratic overtone; professional fees and payment for land, horses, art, bespoke tailoring, furniture and other luxury items were often quoted in guineas until decimalisation in 1971.
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(British_coin)

As for the dangerous horse, good on the OP for making the decision to have it destroyed. I, personally, see nothing wrong with sending it to slaughter. At least the horses in this country have that option - the ones in the US should be so lucky!
 
Blimey, is this STILL going? :rolleyes:

I left it at page 58..or was it 59?...anyhow, I am amazed that so many "horse lovers" are ignorant of so many facts about the horseworld as a whole..

its all well and good having an opinion of "i'd never do such a horrible thing to my baby" but why haven't you thought of the wider picture here? why havent you thought of the need for an Abattoir? why havent you thought about where all these ponies come from? why are markets teeming with abattoir candidates? why haven't you thought about what you can do to help prevent?

i know why...........because you're all too busy telling others that they are wrong, too busy burying your head in the sand, too busy giving your overweight cob yet another feed it doesnt need....

the real world is out there..instead of coming on here and blowing hot air, get off your arses, get to a market, and voice your objections there..plenty of us do it..and slowly things are getting better...but there is still along way to go....and until legislation actually changes to help animals at grass roots, this subject will be raised time and time again..
 
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orsolya80 said:
Being an American transplant, I had to look it up when I first read about the horse selling for guineas, and this is what I found: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(British_coin)

As for the dangerous horse, good on the OP for making the decision to have it destroyed. I, personally, see nothing wrong with sending it to slaughter. At least the horses in this country have that option - the ones in the US should be so lucky!
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Ahh, thankyou. I'm an American transplant, too. :)
 
I have followed this thread with intrest I have had a couple of experiances of PTS. All at the yard and have to admit all the horrid stories have never thought of the meat man as an option. This thread as given other views which is always useful to have. I feel due to my knowlege of Potters etc is just gossip and hearsay it would be wrong for me to express my views on this thread as what I heard could be just that GOSSIP.

On the subject of dangerous horses I feel that there is times there is no other option than to Pts sadly. Not all horses are safe to be companions one of my old boys was a 17.2 and a complete nightmare to ride and handle on the ground he would rear up and box down at you. He would also run off and buck out if you tried to hold on to the lead rope/ lunge. He also H
had to have a grass paddock on his own due to the fact he kicked horses to the point were one actually collopsed in feild. How on earth could a horse like him be used as a companion never in a million years.
I and my instructor managed to turn him around though he still had an elementto him.
 
MosMum said:
Why are horses selling for guineas? Is this in another country or do the sales work differently to 'normal' UK money? Or is 'gns' slang for something? Sorry.
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A guinea is £1.05, the seller gets the £1, the auctioneer takes the 5p as their commission, this means there is no 'buyers premium' and what you bid is what you pay.
 
I brought home 2 skewbald WPB both registered with the WCPS..both microchipped..for less than £33.00

the chipping/passporting cost more than that....

these 2 were of good stock/good conformation and will, in time, make excellent childs ponies or driving ponies.

others there weren't quite so fortunate..they were of poor quality..and i'm assuming..no, i know, that they'll end up at an Abattoir.

next month, i intend to bring home a couple of empty/barren mares..and back them as riding ponies..at least they will be taken out of the breeding cycle and hopefully have a useful life..and avoid the meat trade too!..these get a raw deal at markets ATM as no-one wants broodmares..so if they are under 10, i'll give them a chance..i could get them for less than £40 each
 
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I've kept quiet so far but finally given in.

I personally have only taken one horse to Potters, I didn't particularly enjoy it but then who would.

All my horses except one have been shot (doped first) and they have all known nothing about it. Several of my very good hunters have listened to 'gone away' being blown just before the moment and they have gone happy. We would all love our old horse to go to sleep and not wake up as we would our friends and relatives but life is never perfect.

I have had one horse pts by lethal injection and it was the most ghastly experience of my life. He was dying of peritonitis and had been on a drip all night. When the vet arrived and said he was getting worse and there was no more we could do I agreed to the injection because he had a drip line in already. I watched that horses heart stop and to this day I will never ever forget it, it was dreadful.

My father had many horses shot at Potters (he was often asked by friends to take them because they couldn't face it) and he said that the skill and sympathy was fantastic and the horses knew nothing about it. My father has grown up with horses, was a professional jockey and trained for many years, he worships horses and it breaks his heart every time one has to go but he is also a realist and would never forgive himself for either keeping a horse about for too long or allowing a problem horse to continue to be passed from place to place and potential endangering itself or others.

My partner was in hunt service for 23 years. He has shot many horses, and he hates it every time but he often blows 'gone away' for them either before or after and he knows that they have gone with grace and dignity.

Let us never forget that "Where you have livestock, you have deadstock".
 
nativeponies said:
next month, i intend to bring home a couple of empty/barren mares..and back them as riding ponies..at least they will be taken out of the breeding cycle and hopefully have a useful life..and avoid the meat trade too!..these get a raw deal at markets ATM as no-one wants broodmares..so if they are under 10, i'll give them a chance..i could get them for less than £40 each
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BR saw mares in foal go for peanuts earlier in the year, the older ones certainly are not lucky enough to get a "fluffy" retirement. IF they are lucky, they are given a quick painless end at.....oh yes an abbatoir!
 
fitzaud2 said:
I thought i did the "right" thing last year, and had by boy put down by injection, really horrible, never again. Had to have my really old mare pts in may, sent her to knackery yard. Done in 2 seconds. You have to be in the situation to understand. 2 seconds versus 10 mins, thats all i have to say!!!!!! And i thought poor cooper was going to be gone before he knew it!!!!
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My mare took no time at all by injection. She lied down and was gone. 10 mins I think will be vet error
 
nativeponies said:
I brought home 2 skewbald WPB both registered with the WCPS..both microchipped..for less than £33.00

the chipping/passporting cost more than that....

these 2 were of good stock/good conformation and will, in time, make excellent childs ponies or driving ponies.

others there weren't quite so fortunate..they were of poor quality..and i'm assuming..no, i know, that they'll end up at an Abattoir.

next month, i intend to bring home a couple of empty/barren mares..and back them as riding ponies..at least they will be taken out of the breeding cycle and hopefully have a useful life..and avoid the meat trade too!..these get a raw deal at markets ATM as no-one wants broodmares..so if they are under 10, i'll give them a chance..i could get them for less than £40 each
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Oh and there`s me thinking you were some sort of horse hating, evil cow who worked at Potters :rolleyes::D

Good on you for helping ones that can be helped :)
 
nativeponies said:
I brought home 2 skewbald WPB both registered with the WCPS..both microchipped..for less than £33.00

the chipping/passporting cost more than that....

these 2 were of good stock/good conformation and will, in time, make excellent childs ponies or driving ponies.

others there weren't quite so fortunate..they were of poor quality..and i'm assuming..no, i know, that they'll end up at an Abattoir.

next month, i intend to bring home a couple of empty/barren mares..and back them as riding ponies..at least they will be taken out of the breeding cycle and hopefully have a useful life..and avoid the meat trade too!..these get a raw deal at markets ATM as no-one wants broodmares..so if they are under 10, i'll give them a chance..i could get them for less than £40 each
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I think your great for giving some off the poor mites a home. Out off interest how many have you got?
 
i went to bed last night thinking this thread was all over!!!
for ppls info I didn't realise the UK only had 2 equine abattoirs (hence the question?) so no I wouldnt drag the pony all that way.
The pony has now deceased so can ppl stop pm-ing me asking wat exactly he does - and would i consider selling him? - NO (I thought that was pretty obvious without having to ask me!)
 
Wow : what a read!

Firstly, would like to praise the OP for her decision to have a dangerous horse PTS before it can harm anyone else. I used to be one of 'those' people who believed that every horse could be tamed - that is untill i was nearly killed by a horse I had been working with that had managed to stay semi same for a few months and we thought we had succeeded - wrong.

owner eventually decided the horse was too dangerous to keep, and went back to the yard it had came from on request from its old owner - where again, it almost killed someone. Horse i believe, has now been PTS.

The debate over which method is the best is really just a way of showing how different owners cope and perceive the death of an animal close to them - nothing to do with how much the animal means to them. both methods should be painless and the horse should be oblivious. those that have had bad experiences with LI - your vet, quite frankly, shouldnt be practicing then...

End of the day, any method is sufficient as long as the horse doesn't suffer in the process, and ends up dead. regardless wether they are shot, injected - whatever - when they are dead, their bodies are hoisted up the same way.

Both methods wouldnt be legal if they weren't tried, tested, and regulated as to being quick and humane.

God i sound so heartless but i think my way is just logical.

Me, personally - for a horse that i had had for years and i regarded as a good friend, would be taken into the indoor school, fussed over, and injected. this senario, would of course only be possible if the animal was in a situation euthanasia was not an emergency, but rather in kind to a situation that was never going to get better.

In an emergency, i would have not one hesitation to having a horse shot if it was the solution to releasing it from being in a state of stress and extreme pain

-J
 
nativeponies said:
yes i do..i try and keep away from there as the Shonkies who sell there import alot of dodgy animals, health and paperwork wise.
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Ha ha oh yes I know the ones you mean and they had plenty there this month. So many poor cob foals and none sold it was so sad. Some who had been in a sales down Cornwall 2/3 weeks ago. What a bloody life.
 
vixann said:
even if that few quid was to be spent on other horses? why shouldnt I anyway?
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If you are that skint that you need a measly few quid for other horses then you shouldn't have them in the first place.

Again, i have nothing against PTS but i dislike that you require compensation for the time you have put in to an animal because 'he hasnt given you a good life' :rolleyes:
 
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