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As much as I wouldn't send mine I definately would not want to take all that were 'en route to the abattoirs'. Christ, that's one way to end up poor or dead!
 
martlin said:
How about a lovely British White steak? The problem with the late maturing ones is that the 30 months old rule spoils the trade - mine are nowhere mature enough at 30 months, so I have to either sell them too light or as over 30 - either way I'm losing money. I've started crossing with continentals for part bred beef.

With horse meat, it depends what sort of taste you like, if you enjoy a steak (beef) of a Belgian Blue for example, a TB will be more up your street as very lean and fast maturing, but tricky to cook well without drying out.
But for your Galloway/highland comparison, you would be better off looking at part draft breeds or heavish WB as that will have enough fat tissue for a moist roast.

Oh, dear, now I think I'm going to duck:o
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ever thought of crossing with Salers?
 
jodie3 said:
I'm not certain about 'giving' your pony to the hunt, I have been quoted £200 by our local hunts to come out and shoot a pony to then be fed to the hounds (clean passport) which in my opinion is alot of money. Especially as local knackerman would charge very slightly more to burn the carcass.
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That could possibly because you're not a subscriber or farm which hounds go over (assuming here) and beside there is quite a lot of the horse that can't be used to feed hounds so has to be disposed of at a high cost to themselves; they shouldn't have to pay out for doing you a service. If you were a subscriber/farmer it should only be a token payment which covers their costs.
 
Maesfen said:
That could possibly because you're not a subscriber or farm which hounds go over (assuming here) and beside there is quite a lot of the horse that can't be used to feed hounds so has to be disposed of at a high cost to themselves; they shouldn't have to pay out for doing you a service. If you were a subscriber/farmer it should only be a token payment which covers their costs.
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Apparently if I were a subscriber it would only be £100.
 
Fairynuff said:
ever thought of crossing with Salers?
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I haven't :)
TBH crossing with a Charolaix gives 2 benefits:
they retain their placidity and
they're passported as Charolaix X, which brings better price per kilo in the ring... sad as it sounds, the British buyers are not interested in paying good money for British breeds of cattle:o

Aren't salers fairly large and horned? That would be 2 nonos for me...
 
Agreed Maesfen, we were charged for taking any deadstock into the hunt - £15 for a ewe or tup, £10 for a shearling and £5 for a 'bag of lambs' during lambing season, had we have been an Atherstone farm where the hunt ran, Im fairly sure we would have had a reduction.
I hope OP, that the supportive posts on this thread have - in your mind - outweeighed the negative. I really dont see a problem in gaining a little money from this animal by shending him/herr to potters or turners, I mean at 14hh and a stocky native, you could be asking £500-1000 on the open market, thus making much more money but sending an unsafe horse into an unknown quantity.
Please dont lose sleep over the negatives on here, you know that you are making the right decision, and I applaud your honesty and integrity.
 
jemima - thats what i like to hear! Yes i am crackers but you were all enjoying the scrap while it lastest be honest. I would only take them all if i won the euro millions i am not crackers and stupid, night people thanks for joining in on this forum and my dogs love pedigree "better by nature", lol
 
Maesfen said:
Well said Jemima, agree with every word.
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Groom42 said:
Yes, I could live with this.
Quality of life, AND quality of death.
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I should add, I've nothing against Potters or Turners and don't 'call' anyone who uses them, whether regularly or as one-offs, but I wouldn't like to use them myself unless I was incredibly pissed off with that particular horse;(joke! ;);)) I prefer to use my hunt.

jodie3 said:
Apparently if I were a subscriber it would only be £100.
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Thought that might be the case, think that's a pretty general price now.
 
beeswax said:
OP, dont get mouthy with other users they are entitled to their opinions you could have got this info from the tinternet you didnt need to come on here and ask a question, sadly a good percentage of horse owners/riders end up with a dangerous animal because they just cant/dont know how to handle it and basically are **** scared of it, and the poor pony/horse ends up at potters (thank goodness there is a potters and a turners). RIP poor pony. I certainly wont be standing with my hands outstretched for a measly +-£100 for my beloved horse when he goes - cos he gave me good in life, so i will give him good in return and he will not have the smell of blood up his nostrils and feeling of fear from others around him when he goes.
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I have taken a few over to Turners -spotlessly cleaned, handled calmly and quietly, no smell of blood, and as there were several pens of ponies just inside the building, all of which were totally calm - certainly no feeling of fear.

It's great that you are able to have your chaps put down at home when the time comes - but in many cases economics are a factor, especially if several OAPs decide the time has come - as they so often do - around the same time.
 
I wouldn't practically be able to use them - several hundreds of miles away. My "own" horses are intended for the hunt but the butcher who comes to cut my animals up ran his own abattoir for years and has more experience shooting all species than most of us could dream of and in the event that we need an "emergency" dispatch he is on call - and has introduced himself and his gun to my headshy boy on the grounds that he is the one most likely to need to be a "patient" as he calls it. Strangely my boy really liked him - even though he must have smelt of dead animals - and allowed him to stroke his forehead with the barrel of the gun. Horrid thing to see but reassuring that he's less likely to panic at the end, should it come as an emergency.

Strange really that a man who has killed so many animals (and was fresh from killing sheep) should have such a calming way with animals. I've only once met an animal that wasn't putty in his hands, and that was an especially nasty ram.
 
beeswax said:
just out of interest, i wonder if they will let the owner pull the trigger as well!! ducking!!
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The law now says that when I kill animals at home I have to pull the trigger. My lovely slaughterman who has quietly dispatched thousands of animals of all species is not allowed to do it. I, an amateur, have to. The first time was terrible as it's one thing you just don't want to make a mistake with. We always ask the slaughterman to be there just in case, but legally he should not kill the animal. How bloody stupid is that?
 
beeswax said:
OP, dont get mouthy with other users they are entitled to their opinions you could have got this info from the tinternet you didnt need to come on here and ask a question, sadly a good percentage of horse owners/riders end up with a dangerous animal because they just cant/dont know how to handle it and basically are **** scared of it, and the poor pony/horse ends up at potters (thank goodness there is a potters and a turners). RIP poor pony. I certainly wont be standing with my hands outstretched for a measly +-£100 for my beloved horse when he goes - cos he gave me good in life, so i will give him good in return and he will not have the smell of blood up his nostrils and feeling of fear from others around him when he goes.
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Agreed.
 
jemima_too said:
The law now says that when I kill animals at home I have to pull the trigger. My lovely slaughterman who has quietly dispatched thousands of animals of all species is not allowed to do it. I, an amateur, have to. The first time was terrible as it's one thing you just don't want to make a mistake with. We always ask the slaughterman to be there just in case, but legally he should not kill the animal. How bloody stupid is that?
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Absolutely bloody ridiculous.
Another example of common sense taking a sabbatical :(
 
Is a clean carcass one that has been skinned/gutted?

Are any 'type' of equine used for leather?

In the real world not everyone can get the hunt or have land to discreetly bury the animal, peeps often have mortgages families etc and circumstances can change.
 
People on here are talking about the high cost of disposal (if you do decide you want your horse/pony destroyed at home). However, I had to arrange for my old mare to be put down last year, had a quote from a nice sounding lady of £200 to shoot her and take her away for incineration. Another quote for £200 just to shoot and dispose of carcas any old how.

Then I phoned Andrew Goatman who said if I was happy for the carcass to go to the local zoo he would shoot her and take her away for.......£35. Yes, £35. I went for the expensive option of having her cremated (along with other animals) that cost me £60 and Andrew was absolutely wonderful. I know that this is definitely not the norm but surely there must be other independent knackermen out there offering services at similar cost.

I for one would always opt to have any animal put down in familiar surroundings with as little stress as possible. I can understand having a horse put down because you feel this is the best option for whatever reason but, unless you have horses purely for business reasons and need to get some amount no matter how small for every horse that passes through your hands, I cannot understand why how much money you are going to get for its carcass is a concern.
 
swalk said:
I for one would always opt to have any animal put down in familiar surroundings with as little stress as possible. I can understand having a horse put down because you feel this is the best option for whatever reason but, unless you have horses purely for business reasons and need to get some amount no matter how small for every horse that passes through your hands, I cannot understand why how much money you are going to get for its carcass is a concern.
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I don't wish to travel my "meat" animals as they are not used to it. Any of my horses I would be happy (and prefer) to drive to the hunt assuming they are fit enough to travel. Mine all accept travelling as part of everyday life and seem happy to get on the lorry. My Welsh especially would be happy as larry to be plaited up and loaded, he doesn't get many chances to go to exciting places at his time of life and he does so enjoy it!
 
I too have taken a horse to Turners and there was absolutely no 'smell of blood' or anything even approaching it. It was as the other poster said - calm, peaceful, dignified, with very compassionate people handling it all and the pony knew nothing.
 
Inky_and_Sunny said:
Only true if the horse is shot - if it is killed with lethal injection burying is not allowed. Even with a bullet permission still needs to be sought from the council and DEFRA.
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As far as I am aware, it is totally down to the discretion of the council? The only proviso I am aware of is that only pet animals may be buried, so it's down to the council to decide if your horse was a 'pet' or not.:confused:

Although off course some councils may have that provision about injection as their own policy, but I don't believe it to be part of the law.
 
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