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pepperandoran said:
In this country, as I see it, there is a place for abattoirs who deal with horses. Look at the sales where all these ponies are unwanted and no one even wants them for free!!! Surely a better end at the hands of a qualified abattoir worker than left for abandonment and starvation?
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According to some on this thread, Pepperanddoran, no there is no place for abattoirs.

However, they seem unable to put forward and altnerative - which I find interesting and alarming.
 
horserider said:
£1000 ? I paid a 5th of that for vet and disposal. Didn't have the ashes returned but then neither would Potters.
The cost of having a horse put to sleep is offset by the lack of livery, feed and other expenses of keeping a horse. To profit from having it PTS is revolting.
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See, I agree with this (apart from the revolting comment). I don't think the "i can't afford not to" comment makes any sense because you will be subsequently saving many more times the carcas value on what you would have otherwise spent keeping the horse.

As for what the price differences between the vet or knackerman or slaughterhouse or hunt are, I hope this thread will have served to get everybody to plan ahead for their horse's death, and speak to these people to ascertain the cost and quite frankly have a piece of paper somewhere easy to remember where it is that has all the contact numbers etc on, so that when you're distraught and can't think straight you will have all the information to hand. And you won't be worrying about the differences in prices because you will have already planned and found everything out.


Indalo said:
OP-hope you get the pony sorted, and why shouldnt you get some money back for a pony that has only been a pain in the a***!!
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Several posters have made comments like this - some along the lines of "the pony deserves it after the hassle it's caused." I don't agree with this attitude - surely as an animal lover no matter what the animal has done, it deserves a humane end, and the only thing that matters is to give it a good quality of death, whichever method you choose. Therefore I can't see why someone who owned two ponies, one a little git the other a little saint, would have any qualms about sending them both the same way (whatever way they choose).

teddyt said:
Im not against taking a horse to an abbatoir but i think the attitude of requiring compensation because you think it hasnt been nice to you is a disgrace :rolleyes: Thats what i object to.
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Exactly my sentiments.

The people whom I object to most are those who think nothing of travelling a horse with a broken leg to an abbatoir when there are several options of people who will come out to destroy them at home. I have known people who have done this with their "much loved" family pet, and then boasted about what luxury item they have bought with the meat money because their horse owed them, after all the money they have spent on things for it :(
 
The people whom I object to most are those who think nothing of travelling a horse with a broken leg to an abbatoir when there are several options of people who will come out to destroy them at home
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And I think we would all agree with you on this.
 
I cant believe people are objecting to abbatoirs.
As responsible horse/pet owners it is your responsiblity to ensure that the animal is euthanased as humanely as possible, whether this be at home or at an abbatoir.
What is the difference between the OP sending the pony to the abbatoir and recieving money for the carcass and a farmer sending his livestock to the abbatoir for money for the carcass'??
I wonder how many of the posters objecting to abbatoirs are meat eaters!
 
Dirtymare said:
I wonder how many of the posters objecting to abbatoirs are meat eaters!
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Yup, or how many of the 'I'd never send an animal, I don't agree with any animal being slaughtered' are quick to bad mouth meat eaters....but more than happy to wear leather shoes/boots...I bet they have nice leather saddles and bridles.

Can't justify animals being slaughtered for food but fashion......
 
Dirtymare said:
I cant believe people are objecting to abbatoirs.
As responsible horse/pet owners it is your responsiblity to ensure that the animal is euthanased as humanely as possible, whether this be at home or at an abbatoir.
What is the difference between the OP sending the pony to the abbatoir and recieving money for the carcass and a farmer sending his livestock to the abbatoir for money for the carcass'??
I wonder how many of the posters objecting to abbatoirs are meat eaters!
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Who is objecting to abbatoirs ? Must have missed those posts.
 
WoopsiiD said:
Yup, or how many of the 'I'd never send an animal, I don't agree with any animal being slaughtered' are quick to bad mouth meat eaters....but more than happy to wear leather shoes/boots...I bet they have nice leather saddles and bridles.

Can't justify animals being slaughtered for food but fashion......
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Not me!! 100% synthetic all the way!! As a veggie, I am in no way naive enough to think that buying leather goods doesn't support the meat industry. Besides, the very thought of wearing animal skin disgusts me.

http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/hot/dietofdisaster/index.php

"Isn't man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife - birds, kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes and dingoes - by the million in order to protect his domestic animals and their feed. Then he kills domestic animals by the billion and eats them. This in turn kills man by the millions, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - health conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer. So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to look for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, some people are dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of man, who kills so easily and so violently, and once a year, sends out cards praying for Peace on Earth." - David Coats
 
Over2You said:
Then he kills domestic animals by the billion and eats them. This in turn kills man by the millions, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - health conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer.
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This is quite some statement to make. Any one got any idea of any proof to support this statement?

Not me!! 100% synthetic all the way!! As a veggie, I am in no way naive enough to think that buying leather goods doesn't support the meat industry. Besides, the very thought of wearing animal skin disgusts me.
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Leather good supports the leather industry, which is more often than not, not the same as the meat industry ;) I know we digress, but I'm curious, and hope I don't come across as aggressive when I ask;
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1) There are to my knowledge only a few manufacturers of synthetic saddles. Given that any given brand of saddle comes in a range of widths, but not longitudal back profile shapes, isn't there a possibility that none of these will fit your horse? I know they wouldn't fit mine, I have tried to buy one before.

2) Are synthetic bridles designed with weak points to break as leather would, if needs be?

3) What is your opinion on animals eating other animals? if you have or had a pet dog or cat, would you feet them meat and why?
 
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Why is the receiving of money for your horse objectionable? The abbatoir is a business and you can be sure that if you get £100 for the horse it will be sold on for £125. I suppose if you feel strongly about not being paid that is your choice but it will not effect the chain of events that will happen to the carcass after death.
 
Naturally said:
3) What is your opinion on animals eating other animals? if you have or had a pet dog or cat, would you feet them meat and why?
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Damn you lol this was going to be my question!

What about wild animals that eat others to survive? I suppose your going to tell me its natural? :rolleyes:
 
av been to potters and have seen horses put to sleep by bullet and lj

to the people that said there horses stuggled and the like with lj you must have crap vets everyone av seen and thats a fair few they have the jag fall over and are gone same as bullet altho bullet is quicker bang and hit the floor

potters are not bad the horses dont have a clue they walk in bang and there gone and you can stay with your animal till its gone as well

to op has the pont now been put down just wondering as you said it kicked out with front legs and you could not get near just wondered how you would manage to get it in a box to take to be put down with it going mad
 
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adamntitch said:
av been to potters and have seen horses put to sleep by bullet and lj

to the people that said there horses stuggled and the like with lj you must have crap vets everyone av seen and thats a fair few they have the jag fall over and are gone same as bullet altho bullet is quicker bang and hit the floor

potters are not bad the horses dont have a clue they walk in bang and there gone and you can stay with your animal till its gone as well

to op has the pont now been put down just wondering as you said it kicked out with front legs and you could not get near just wondered how you would manage to get it in a box to take to be put down with it going mad
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I think I read further back 10 or 20 pages that the pony was now dead.
 
Bab said:
Would you be okay with eating a human who was raised vegetarian?
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I thought I'd covered that in my original post where I talked about Kuru...

wispagold said:
What about Pork? Pigs are omnivores...
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Wild pigs are omnivores, meat pigs are not allowed to be fed any animal product (though mine eats grubs etc when foraging)
 
Over2You said:
Not me!! 100% synthetic all the way!! As a veggie, I am in no way naive enough to think that buying leather goods doesn't support the meat industry. Besides, the very thought of wearing animal skin disgusts me.

http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/hot/dietofdisaster/index.php

"Isn't man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife - birds, kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes and dingoes - by the million in order to protect his domestic animals and their feed. Then he kills domestic animals by the billion and eats them. This in turn kills man by the millions, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - health conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer. So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to look for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, some people are dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of man, who kills so easily and so violently, and once a year, sends out cards praying for Peace on Earth." - David Coats
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Do you take medication or give your animals medication that has been tested on animals?
 
Since this thread is still (for some reason!) going on, I figured I might as well air my curiosity, Vixaan....I know you've said the pony is now deceased however I'm curios as to which method you used? Did you take it to potters/turners/somewhere similar?

I don't mean to be morbid but I am interested to know which method you chose in the end and whether this thread affected your decision?
 
MizzPurpleKitten said:
Since this thread is still (for some reason!) going on, I figured I might as well air my curiosity, Vixaan....I know you've said the pony is now deceased however I'm curios as to which method you used? Did you take it to potters/turners/somewhere similar?

I don't mean to be morbid but I am interested to know which method you chose in the end and whether this thread affected your decision?
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This thread did affect my decision as I did not realise we only had 2 places in UK (although some ppl seem to think this is common knowledge!) so I obviously didnt drag him all the way down there.
 
I too didn't realise there were only 2 places in the UK to take horses (having said that it's not something I've ever looked into really).

Thankyou for posting this topic.....I know it hasn't been the 'nicest' of threads but it's certainly been informative (IMO anyway). I personally have 2 veterans (granted on the younger side of veteran but still) and, prior to this thread, I hadn't given much thought to 'what happens when the time comes' (perhaps this is irresponsible). I know 100% I couldn't send them to Potters/Turners (not only because of the distance) but I do not see a problem with others choosing to do just that.
 
i think it is wonderful that people can have such a fantastic discussion about a very important subject. Just to add my little bit, i asked our vet tother day about this thing with sedative before heart stopping drug that is going on and he said the sedative is not needed and that would be why the animals are not dying as quickly as they should because they are not giving enough of the heart stopping drug because the horse is sedated derr, and it is just another way for the vet to bill you a bit more for his/her service so make sure your vet doesnt give the sedative to ensure the death is quick and painless. OP dont be angry be glad that there are still people out there including yourself who love and care about these beautiful animals, sadly there are a lot of people out there who dont give a s....t about them. Happy days
 
Cant agree with that as my horse was not given a sedative and still struggled for a while which was very distressing. My vet messed up by notgiving enough of the drug.
 
itsmylife said:
Cant agree with that as my horse was not given a sedative and still struggled for a while which was very distressing. My vet messed up by notgiving enough of the drug.
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I am sorry to hear that. My horse was shot twice after the vet cocked up the first time. Makes it even more distressing when it goes wrong.
 
Naturally said:
Would just like to add to that the fact that there are people who are anti-abbatoir for their own neds but who are in the real world and acknowledge it has its place ;)

The situation in America interests me in a horrifying way. Can anyone tell me if it is the same as France, where there is practically no veterinatry/other method of humane destruction?
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Now Now you know the answer to that question. :p
 
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