Michael Jackson's bridle?

I know this isn't the point of the OP, but it interests me that someone would care about using a bridle that is ergonomically designed to sit away from the nape and base of the ears, yet has a crank noseband, a pelham with one rein on roundings and a running martingale adding pressure to that, and another rein on a kineton noseband (with a nice piece of metal sitting across the nose), which he uses when the pelham no longer works, all on a horse which he says "isn't particularly strong" ...
 
Rowreach said:
I know this isn't the point of the OP, but it interests me that someone would care about using a bridle that is ergonomically designed to sit away from the nape and base of the ears, yet has a crank noseband, a pelham with one rein on roundings and a running martingale adding pressure to that, and another rein on a kineton noseband (with a nice piece of metal sitting across the nose), which he uses when the pelham no longer works, all on a horse which he says "isn't particularly strong" ...
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Its a bit of a contradiction isn't it.....

Fiona
 
I'm confused by the metal across the nose? All the kinetons I have seen have been plain leather?
 
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I'm actually unsure whether when set up as they have normally have it whether the kineton is doing what they think it is doing. If the rein is attached near the top ring of the kineton I'd wonder if that doesn't end up pullng that top ring down and the whole thing rotating about the bit and therefore lifting the noseband higher?

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In order for the rein to slip up it must have been attached to the loop around the back of the bit I think, so it has then slid up above the ring.
I'm uncomfortable with the idea of putting direct pressure onto such a sensitive part of the nose- this makes it a very severe contraption.
 
ester said:
I'm actually unsure whether when set up as they have normally have it whether the kineton is doing what they think it is doing. If the rein is attached near the top ring of the kineton I'd wonder if that doesn't end up pullng that top ring down and the whole thing rotating about the bit and therefore lifting the noseband higher?

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From what I understood the rein is usually attached to the kineton on the main loop directly behind the bit which is how it managed to slide up the side, not on the small ring at the top where the head piece is attached. When the rein is pulled it would put direct pressure on the nose.
 
EKW said:
Someone needs to take these eventers to hand! It's getting stupid what they get away with!
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Not just eventers, it all started with the showjumpers. The more metal and leather on the horse's head the better, it would appear.

I must point out I'm not slagging them, I would not ride one of these horses over a 80cm fence let alone at a 4* BUT I don't agree with all the gear on heads
 
My first horse (many moons ago) was jumped in a kineton before I got him. He subsequently had developed a habit of throwing his head on landing (presumably trying to relieve the pressure on his nose), and ending up unbalancing both himself and rider. I got him when he was 14 so it was an ingrained habit by then, I avoided jumping him in general as 50% of the time I would end up on the floor!
 
yes I didn't think it was attached to the top ring, there wouldn't be room, but presumed if you attached it to the ring around the back of the bit it would slip up until it hit the metal loop and stop (usually!) unless they use some sort of rubber stoppers to keep it in the same place on the metal?
 
ihatework said:
It is leather over the nose. Or am I missing something (quite easy with all that leatherwork!!)
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All the ones I've seen (albeit in racing) are leather over a metal strip. Very happy if this one is just leather, but as ester has pointed out, attaching a rein to it is going to alter the way it is meant to act (even if that action is indeed desirable).
 
Just to take the thread back to where it started: I have found a Horka Crown bridle that looks very like the Dyon one and is a fraction of the price so will be testing the ear-space shortly.
 
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