Migrating worms....coming through the skin

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What is this exactly? its not something I have ever come across, there is a horse on the same livery yard as mine that has had this (unknown to anyone else but has had necessary treatment from vet etc) all the horses on the livery yard are routinely wormed (before anyone asks).

My horse is not in the same field, but can anyone shed some light on what it is exactly, are any other horses on the same yard at risk?

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if anyone can enlighten me that would be great, just for peice of mind etc
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Yes, well so I've been told, I've not actually looked at the horse myself so I cant comment.

I'm just going on what I've been told (hence why I have no idea of what it is, or if it should be a concern or not) it was another lady on he same livery as me that brought it up in conversation, she didn't know much about the condition neither, but did say that they have had the vet and its now having treatment, but couldn't be ridden for while until it cleared up, I don't really see the horse much (in another field, has a rug on etc) so its not something I can look at if you see what a mean, I don't like to ask as I don't know if its something that they perhaps want to keep to themselves etc or dont want to appear to be sounding noisey.

But at the same time I would like to know exactly what it is, just in case I need to know for my own horses health etc.
 
bots can migrate through, lumps appear then nasty maggots come out, leaving a crater/cyst looking type hole, could it be this?
 
Are you sure its not ringworm? Signs of this is small circular patches of baldness in the skin. If it is, the horse should go into quarentine and everything should be disenfectid!
 
That was my initial thought because obviously I've heard about ringworm, but the lady who told me, has her horse in the same field as this other horse with the problem and I'd of thought she would of said straight away if it was ringworm, I'm no expert when it comes to skin disorders but I did mention ''is it ringworm'' and she said no, migrating worms, which is way too vague for my liking, migrating worms could be anything (to do with worms couldn't it?
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) not sure if she knows or how much she has been told so its really hard to me to judge without seeing it for myself.

I might have a wonder over and look, but then again if its ring worm then I best not
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Think it would be safer to ask but I don't really get to see them apart from weekend mornings as they go at different times to me during the weekday.

I'm sure they would of informed the rest of the yard if it was something that the other could catch...surely
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Thank you guys for your info/thoughts, much appreciated, I'll let you know if I find out this evening, if anything it will be educational!
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bots can migrate through, lumps appear then nasty maggots come out, leaving a crater/cyst looking type hole, could it be this?

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Sounds like you might be on the right track by what the other lady was saying...she didnt go into loads of detail, if this is the case, is it something anyone needs to worry about?

She mentioned that the dosage didnt work last time that the vet prescribed because the horse didnt get enough, so it didnt clear up, this time its clearing up and he can now start work again.

My horse does not come into contact with theirs nor graze in the same field, but we do have to walk past his stable to get to ours, should I do anything with mine for extra measure to prevent anything or am I ok not to worry too much.
 
as far as i know, bots arnt contagious, they lick the eggs off legs etc, the egg ends up in the tum then migrates through the insides, ie stomach.. they normally come out on the back area. pretty nasty, and i thiink can cause internal damage.... dont quote me though, the life of worms isnt my strong point,
 
I think I would be checking your worming programme on the yard if this has happened.
The programme should be effective against all worms for all the individual horses concerned. Unless this is a new one with a different worming history?

Sometimes it is thought that horses who react to ivermectin wormers have a lot of microfilariae which cause irritation in the skin when they are wormed.
 
I agree with jhoward, sounds like bots to me.

As they said, the eggs are on the hair, when they lick themselves, the eggs are ingested and then come out through the skin on the back, usually to the rear of the saddle area.

To prevent this, you can get a bot knife or alternatively a razor and scrape the eggs off the skin to prevent them being ingested. They are fairly small and white and can be difficult to spot on greys!! They tend to be on the legs mainly.
 
I have no idea what it could be but i would certainly ask the owner for my own horses welfare.
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Im sure they wont mind too much if you ask. After all if it is contagious i think it is courtious (sp?) to let others know just incase.
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I think warbles have been iradicated from the UK

So even if you worm your horse regulary they could still get bots.

How long does it take for them to pop out of the lump, what happens if you worm them and the bots die will the lump go away.
 
Right I've just found out some more info from someone else on the yard about it, ''the owners said its tapeworm, that hasn't been fully rooted out ( hence need for additonal wormer treatment for him.) it happens to present by moving from the gut to under the skin, causing tender lumps. I think it's quite rare - I've certainly never seen it before myself''

We have a worming routine on our yard, they all get done together using the equest worming programme, which has always made me wonder, surely each horse is different or will require a different worming programme, so its not going to work for ever horse...am I right in thinking this
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Once again thanks for all your info
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Bot larvea hatch and are passed out in the dung.

An ivermectin wormer or all in one type such as Equest kills bots.

Equest does not do tapeworms
you need an Pramox or additional tape wormer. http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod6.asp?pro...sg=&offset=


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I think that explains it, they are done for tape worm (cant rememeber which one we is used but I think pehaps that is what has gone wrong, perhaps last time the horses were done he was under dosed...(he's grown into a big lad) I'm guessing that might be the case.
 
we alternate our wormers so the worms dont build up a resistance.

Put surely if its tapeworm, it shouldn't be out in the field with other horses as wouldn't it pass from the dung into the ground
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Right I've just found out some more info from someone else on the yard about it, ''the owners said its tapeworm, that hasn't been fully rooted out ( hence need for additonal wormer treatment for him.)


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Doesn't sound like any tapeworm I've ever heard of. I'd suspect fly strike (the 'worms' are actually maggots hatched out from fly eggs laid in some mucky coat where horse has perhaps rolled in droppings.) Would YOU admit your horse had maggots??
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My vet has seen half-a-dozen cases of fly strike in horses/ponies in the last 3 weeks!!!! Been a VERY bad year for it!
 
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I think warbles have been iradicated from the UK

So even if you worm your horse regulary they could still get bots.

How long does it take for them to pop out of the lump, what happens if you worm them and the bots die will the lump go away.

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Just as a note about the warbles,they are very rare in horses but certainly not been eradicated in the UK,still found in other livestock.
I know someone who's horse had a warble burst out just a few months ago,pretty gross by all accounts.
Vet said it was rare for horses to get them but not unheard of.Thinks this particular horse got it from grazing nearby to cows I think it was.
Haven't heard of the worm bursting out thing,but just thought would mention about the warble fly out of interest.
 
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