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However distressing please all watch the trailer for a film 'minority pastime', that is being released before the election. It is avaliable for viewing on youtube. Lets forget the arguements about hunting with hounds and watch the reality.

minority pastime-rage against cruelty.
 
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I can see the reality anytime I like thanks - there are 6 hunts local to me that I can spend time with so I can make a judgment based on the reality instead of a piece of propaganda.

Are you also going to put put a film showing the reality of fox cubs slowly dying of starvation, desperately looking for their mother who has been shot by a gamekeeper to protect his pheasants because unlike with hunting there is no 'closed season' for them and all foxes are fair game all year round?
 
slinkyunicorn said:
I can see the reality anytime I like thanks - there are 6 hunts local to me that I can spend time with so I can make a judgment based on the reality instead of a piece of propaganda.

Are you also going to put put a film showing the reality of fox cubs slowly dying of starvation, desperately looking for their mother who has been shot by a gamekeeper to protect his pheasants because unlike with hunting there is no 'closed season' for them and all foxes are fair game all year round?
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I suggest you do go and watch this 'piece of propoganda', and then come back and post. I hunt and I can assure you it has no relation to anything I have seen in just that two minute trailer. The ban is right, be brave enough to go and see for yourself before condeming it for heavens sake.
 
slinkyunicorn said:
I have watched - as I said it is another peice of propaganda. TBH the worst part was watching the hounds getting hit by cars.
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That is a very sad admition from you. No thought about the fox grabbed by the rear end trying to fight off the hound?? Perhaps the hound just missed the neck to nip hey?!
Never mind. Just based on the disregard you show for the hounds safety allowing such terrible accidents, by YOUR own hands is enough to convince the sane you and your ilk are in the past!
 
There are four films from minority pastime. Those who care about the welfare of animals and not just hounds please watch the rage against cruelty video. Thankyou.
 
slinkyunicorn said:
Wasn't on the footage I watched either.

But maybe it can only be seen by the sane........:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Please dont be like that. The first video comes up all foxy, foxy I agree. Above that video it says there are four videos and one is the rage against cruelty one. If you can, would one of you consider putting the link up please. I think all should be able to see it then make a conclusion.
 
sarahsum1 said:
Must admit it makes for grim viewing :(
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I know, and I am a hunter through and through just not a supporter of using hounds. Nor would I call this propoganda tbh. Just factual. We either dispute it, deny it or we face the truth.
The full film is going to be released nationwide before the election. Heaven only knows what the public will make of it.
 
sarahsum1 said:
Must admit it makes for grim viewing :(
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I agree sarahsum it is very grim viewing. Sadly fox hunters come out with all sorts of LAME EXCUSES to justify their cruelty. Dr. Brian May of the SAVE ME campaign took them to task on these LAME EXCUSES as follows. Please feel free to discuss with your friends but I will not be joining in.

The Lame Claims File
The fox-lovers’ handbook of answers to lame claims – as to why it’s acceptable to torture foxes to death.
Lame Claim Answer
1. “It’s a BAD law... Baa-aad! Unenforceable... confusing... we don’t understand it.” Read it more carefully! Improve it, tighten it up, monitor violations more rigorously, enforce it more diligently. If the law against child molestation was found to be unenforceable, what would we do? Repeal the law? I don’t think so.
2. “It took up too much parliamentary time.” No it didn’t. This law was introduced by proper parliamentary process – in accordance with the will of the majority of the British public, who consider hunting with dogs barbaric and unacceptable, and see this law as a flagship move towards better treatment of ALL animals –wild animals, farm animals, and laboratory animals. The fact that Tim Bonner of the Countryside Alliance boasts that the Tories could smash this law “in a day” is proof that these people care nothing for the will of the people. God help us all if they seize power.
3. “Foxes are vermin; if we didn’t hunt them, we’d be overrun with them.” So... how come the Hunts construct artificial earths to encourage the breeding of foxes, and, when foxes become scarce in a particular area, the hunts re-introduce them? Hunt supporters have elsewhere actually claimed that if there were no foxhunting, foxes would have been extinct by now. Surely there must be more humane ways to save an endangered species?

By the way... DEFRA defines which animals are classed as vermin in the UK. The fox is not among them. Foxes are NOT vermin. This is in fact a very old argument – only now heard from hunting advocates who have not kept up. It’s so obviously a lie, that it has been replaced in the mouths of most Countryside Alliance members with this next (pretty much opposite) argument.
4. “We don’t persecute foxes - we love them... we conserve them... we preserve a balance - we even ‘enoble’ them by hunting them - and we strengthen the breed by picking off the weakest.” Well, make up your minds - just now, they were ‘vermin’ - pests - to be controlled. Now suddenly they are precious - and I bet they enjoy being ‘enobled’ by being pursued and dismembered alive by dogs. Yes, folks, if there were no foxes, the foxhunters would have no fun. So they make sure there are enough to hunt – and the numbers go down in a particular area, they import them. (Oh, and by the way, if being hunted is good for the species... perhaps we’d better instigate the hunting of humans... it’ll improve the strength of our species too... goody!) If we really want to get technical, my ecology advisor adds, “This whole ‘savannah’ theory of maintaining balance by removing predators only applies when those species have coevolved together and are infact in a delicate balance. We did not co-evolve predating foxes in this manner, so this argument is ecologically unsound.”
5. “It’s traditional - traditions are good - they are our birth-right.” Oh, really? So the traditions of wife beating, bear baiting, slave whipping, burning of supposed witches, birching of schoolchildren (and so many more atrocities)... were all traditions that ought to have been preserved... right?! Just because something has been done for years does not make it right. If traditions were always upheld, women would still not have a vote. Traditions my ass.
6. “Foxes are vicious and cruel - haven’t you seen what they do to a chicken coop if they get in? They kill all the birds for pleasure.” Not true - it’s another bit of outdated propaganda. If a hungry animal suddenly finds food, it will eat it... just like we do... but the foxes kill extra chickens with the purpose of burying them for future use, when the pickings are slim. Left to themselves they will come back and bury those chickens... but they are not completely stupid; if there is a farmer with a gun waiting to shoot him, Mr. Fox is not going to come back and collect the food supplies. Killing for pleasure? Make no mistake... there is only one animal that does this... MAN.
7. “Foxes are dirty.” Nope - they’re not... our rescued foxes spend at least as much time grooming themselves as the average domestic cat; in fact they are very cat-like in many ways... this is something I never realised until I spent time with these delightful animals. They don’t cover up their poo, but neither do any of our domestic dogs. It’s not the end of the world, and certainly not a good enough reason to persecute them.
 
8. “It’s NATURAL for men to hunt foxes, just like Lions hunt antelope.” Well, the flaw in this argument is blindingly obvious. Lions kill for food... but humans do not eat foxes. There is only one reason to hunt down and murder a fox... for fun... for ‘sport’. It’s not in any way justifiable. It’s barbaric, and it’s cruel - it’s also clearly a crime, as defined by the 1909 Cruelty to Animals act. By the way, have we not noticed that it is NOT the hunters who manage to pull off this great ‘sporting achievement’ - it’s the hounds?
9. “Ah well, yes - it's natural for DOGS to kill foxes.” Rubbish. It is in no way natural. We’ve already published pictures of our local dogs playing with the rescued foxes... along with deer and various birds. The fox is a naturally, delightfully gentle creature – timid, and built for running. The average dog, when decently looked after, is also playful, gentle and peaceful. The only way to make dogs vicious - ready to tear apart Foxes, Stags, Hares, or even Humans - is to brutalise them - half-starve them - deprive them of affection, and house them in such wretched conditions that they go berserk when allowed out to run. The Hunts test the hound puppies on fox cubs. It’s the charming practice of ‘cubbing’, wherein, once the parent fox has been slaughtered, the tiny fox-cubs are poked out or dug out from their homes, and forced into the path of the young hounds - already ‘toughened up’ and ready to mutilate. The young hounds eat the fox pups alive. If the young dogs are not vicious enough, the Huntsmen shoot them - another nice piece of ‘natural selection’ designed to make the pack not only healthy but also as vicious as possible. Even leaving aside this abhorrent cruelty to foxes, in a decent society it ought to be illegal to raise a dog for the sole purpose of killing. (In fact, as noted in LC 11, currently it IS illegal to breed dogs for dog-fighting... we logically we need to bring things into line... so that what is law for the yobs is law for the toffs too.

It’s interesting that perhaps the foxhunting community of people have been in a sense brutalised, too – brought up in a way that has desensitised them to the cruelty around them.
10. “By hunting we eliminate the weakest animals, so we strengthen the species. The foxes are either killed, or get away if they are strong. Just like in Africa.” Good try. But this is just another sly (yes, it’s the humans who are sly – not the dear old foxes) attempt to bend the truth. In fact, the appallingly cruel methods used in the Hunt ensure that the chances survival of a fox in no way depend on its natural strength. Foxes are routinely imported, kept in bags so they are weakened and disoriented when they are let out in front of a pack of brutalised hounds. And the truth is that the occasional fox who actually does manage to elude the dogs is usually ‘accounted for’, by digging out and being shot anyway. No-one should be allowed to treat animals this way.
11. “It’s all about class! The middle and working classes are jealous of the toffs, and want to deprive them of their rights - among them, the right to treat any animal on their land any way they see fit.” Nonsense. It is nothing to do with class. Decent people are equally outraged if a young thug in Yorkshire goes out with his pit-bull terrier and encourages it to savage wild animals, or if a rich land-owner in Berkshire goes out with HIS brutalised dogs and commits an atrocity on a fox, or rabbit, or otter. None of us care a jot about class. We care about animals. Brutal behaviour is brutal behaviour. There is no excuse.
12. “You people who live in towns don’t understand the ways of the countryside. Leave us alone and mind your own business!” This is a good one... so glib... so ALMOST convincing. The Countryside Alliance is very keen to tell the ‘townie’ politicians how to run the whole of Britain - and has managed to make farming the most heavily subsidised industry in the land. Yet these same people deny the towns people the right to protect animals in the countryside... as if ‘country people’ OWNED our wildlife. Imagine land-owners insisting that, if child-abuse happened on their land, nobody in town had the right to try to stop it. We’d all say... ‘these children might be on your land, but they still have rights - we reserve the right to monitor your behaviour and stop the cruelty where we find it.’ Yet these Countryside Alliance stalwarts would have us accept that wild animals straying on to their land legitimately become subject to their every whim. It’s a vile conceit.
13. “You are taking away our human right to socialise in our traditional way.” Not at all. We absolutely defend your right to meet up on a crisp country morning, dressed up in pinks, and scamper about on your horses. What we dispute is your right to trample everything in your path, endangering people’s property, children, pets and livestock. And we dispute your right to kill animals for your pleasure, in a hideously cruel manner.

Drag hunting, with the hounds following a scent other than fox, gives you all the socialising you need, and all the exercise; and it has the huge advantage that the path of the hunt can be pre-planned, so that your neighbours are not threatened by invasion. If you refuse to accept this as a decent alternative, it can only be that you need the thrill of killing, and that you actually crave the feeling of wanton disregard for anyone around you... that feeling of superiority, perhaps – “Lords of the Manor” and all that? It’s time to come into the 21st century.
14. “If we are prevented from killing foxes using dogs, farmers have to control these pests by shooting them. Farmers are poor marksmen, so many foxes die a lingering death from gunshot wounds - which is inhumane.” Inhumane? Excuse me?!!! Given the choice of being pursued until your muscles are paralysed and then ripped apart by hounds; or shot with a bullet, with the chance of an instant death, which would you choose? I asked this question to the man who would be the new head of DEFRA (the Department of the Environment and Farming and Rural Affairs) if the Tories were elected in May. He at least had the decency to say he wasn’t entirely sure. But many of the Countryside Alliance propagandists continue to insist that being killed by hounds is a desirable option. Sorry, but... simply not believable. We always come back to the same conclusion... the only reason to be indulging in this filthy blood sport is that you enjoy causing unnecessary pain to animals.
Own up, guys. You are cornered – and about to be run to Earth!
 
i jsut don't see why
a) anyones bothing to reply to scratchlines posts?

b) why scratchline can't do the same to the pro hunt threads?

if you all ignored each other you'd all be happy :)

have i had too much valium today maybe?!?!
lol!

afwiw i'm pro hunt but feel no need to respond to this as it wont get me anywhere...

sorry scratchiline - i know you enjoy these debates but i'm getting a bit bored of them now - we know you're views - you obv wont change anyones views here - is there any point to them??

anyone want to see a picture of my cute fluffy pony? ;) pmsl!
 
I think 'slinkyunicorn' needs to pull their head out from the sand and concentrate on the issue. 'A minority pastime' is about hunting foxes with hounds, NOT gamekeepers shooting them and letting the cubs die!!!

This is really typical arrogance from the hunt community. Just divert the issue away to something else and hope it gets forgotten!

I suggest you watch 'A Minority Pastime' when it is released and keep an open mind. You haven't seen it all yet and you've ALREADY decided that it is a load of biased propaganda!
 
The video is innacurate. The Conservative Party have pledged a free Parliamentary vote on the Hunting Act, not a straight repeal. Please get your facts straight before bothering people with this kind of thing.
 
kryten said:
I think 'slinkyunicorn' needs to pull their head out from the sand and concentrate on the issue. 'A minority pastime' is about hunting foxes with hounds, NOT gamekeepers shooting them and letting the cubs die!!!

This is really typical arrogance from the hunt community. Just divert the issue away to something else and hope it gets forgotten!

I suggest you watch 'A Minority Pastime' when it is released and keep an open mind. You haven't seen it all yet and you've ALREADY decided that it is a load of biased propaganda!
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IF foxes need to be controlled and IF all the practical means of controlling them involve the fox suffering then it makes perfect sense to compare the various methods of controlling them.

IF one bans a means of control in circumstances where it causes less suffering than alternatives and this means that those alternatives are then used more then you are clearly increasing not decreasing suffering
 
I have a question, which occured to me a bit after I watched the film. When the hound was hit by a car, why hadn't the people filming tried to prevent it? They obviously knew where the hunt was as they had stopped and waited. Why hadn't they tried to head the hounds, or slow the traffic?

How can these people call themselves animal lovers and sit by and watch an animal run onto a busy road? Or is it like Orwell - all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others? And that's without the danger to people - the driver could easily have swerved into oncoming traffic, or a pile-up could have been caused.

Rank hypocrisy IMO:mad:
 
kryten said:
I think 'slinkyunicorn' needs to pull their head out from the sand and concentrate on the issue. 'A minority pastime' is about hunting foxes with hounds, NOT gamekeepers shooting them and letting the cubs die!!!

This is really typical arrogance from the hunt community. Just divert the issue away to something else and hope it gets forgotten!

I suggest you watch 'A Minority Pastime' when it is released and keep an open mind. You haven't seen it all yet and you've ALREADY decided that it is a load of biased propaganda!
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The point is the gamekeepers now have to control the fox numbers by lamping and shoot indescriminately as there is no 'closed'; season for them and their pheasants which means shooting a vixen and letting her cubs starve is a good thing.

You are making assumptions about me and you can carry on - it was me not you that was picking up cub carcasses across the farm after they were looking for their mum who had been shot by the gamekeeper. The hunt comes through most years and rarely sees/chases a fox but the gamekeeper has shot 13 in less than a mile. The fox has really benefitted from the ban here hasn't it??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
kryten said:
I think 'slinkyunicorn' needs to pull their head out from the sand and concentrate on the issue. 'A minority pastime' is about hunting foxes with hounds ...
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A minority pastime is being a member of LACS. With a membership of only 3,000 ish they feel they can dictate to the rest of us??!! LOL
 
Spudlet said:
I have a question, which occured to me a bit after I watched the film. When the hound was hit by a car, why hadn't the people filming tried to prevent it? They obviously knew where the hunt was as they had stopped and waited. Why hadn't they tried to head the hounds, or slow the traffic?

How can these people call themselves animal lovers and sit by and watch an animal run onto a busy road? Or is it like Orwell - all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others? And that's without the danger to people - the driver could easily have swerved into oncoming traffic, or a pile-up could have been caused.

Rank hypocrisy IMO:mad:
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Well that is another take on the incident lol The facebook nutters on Bring back foxhunting blamed the 'anti', driver? All her fault for speeding, running ther hound over then not leaping out of her car to help the hound (never mind the shock the poor woman but have been in!). Now you question the anti's monitoring and their behaviour?
Perhaps its me but arent you all missing the point ( probably on purpose), that being why have we got hounds dangerously out of control on our roads and railways in the first place?
The blame only lays with the hunt!
 
slinkyunicorn said:
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The point is the gamekeepers now have to control the fox numbers by lamping and shoot indescriminately as there is no 'closed'; season for them and their pheasants which means shooting a vixen and letting her cubs starve is a good thing.

You are making assumptions about me and you can carry on - it was me not you that was picking up cub carcasses across the farm after they were looking for their mum who had been shot by the gamekeeper. The hunt comes through most years and rarely sees/chases a fox but the gamekeeper has shot 13 in less than a mile. The fox has really benefitted from the ban here hasn't it??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz The point is that are you telling us the hunt never used to catch anything but because it came through the gamekeeper left all the lovely foxes alone. Now all of a sudden because of the ban he has decided to shoot the foxes?! Rubbish!! The gamekeepers killed all the foxes they could before the ban also.
 
Thats mostly old footage that I've seen for much of the last decade!

Also - the hounds dead on the line - it's well known that Sabs enjoy electrocuting hounds until dead to make these sorts of videos (now, irony, at least we're performing pest control and not just torturing animals cos we dislike their owners!!).

I rather suspect the hound getting hit by a car is a similar senario.

Sabs boast about how they make the hounds confused with their noxious smells and pitiful attempts at mimicing hunting horns. I've seen them do it 100 times at a meet that runs close to a railway line. Some years ago, hounds died on that line.

You see what I'm thinking?

Hounds generally do stick together and do as they're told (the odd exception doesn't stick around for long!). When they end up on railway lines and roads, it's almost certainly due to sabbing activity confusing them.

Gaining do gooder kicks from torturing and murdering animals? Not the bloke in the red coat, I assure you!
 
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