glitterfuzz
Well-Known Member
yes especially after comments about obtaining money by deception, fraud, and reporting to authorities started appearing! I noticed they were quickly deleted
Minxy the little fallabella needs our help
- Thread starter ticobay831
- Start date
thetruthwillout
Member
Having just stumbled across this I can't quite believe my eyes...not at the images of the foal, but at the sheer stupidity of the woman for a) not having the poor thing PTS at the earliest possible opportunity and b) being shocked at the reaction she's had to her public appeal.
miss_bird
Well-Known Member
Those pictures made me feel sick.
When my foal broke her leg at 5 weeks old the vets tried for a few day but then decided she would need surgery at the RVC at a cost of bloody loads, i decided there and then that as there was no chance she would ever be right and could end up as an expensive field ornament so i PTS, dont get me wrong was darn heartbreaking for me but i had to do the right thing for her.
Sadly the breeder of the deformed foal need to do what is best by the foal and not to get some small horse record.
It is disgusting and wrong in every respect, whatever vet is agreeing to operate need to think of his code of ethics
stressedmum
Well-Known Member
sorry but i would PTS.....why make the little man into a money making circus. Thats all the breeder seems to be doing. Poor boy x
aj18
Member
This poor little thing obviously needs a lot of medical attention & Im not saying I would have chosen the same choices as the owner has for it, but it would still be a difficult decision to get it put to sleep & anyone who argues with that is not an animal lover in my opinion. The choice to end any animals life, even one which is suffering and to get it PTS is the best decision, would still be a horrible decision to make.
But what has really disgusted me is some of the comments some of you 'horse lovers' are posting...
This is still an animal which deserves your respect, as do all animals, regardless of their rank in your eyes. Just because it isnt a perfect jumping pony that can win you 1st rosettes doesnt mean you should be so blunt in voicing your opinion. I have 2 Shetlands & if anyone dared to disregard my Shetlands as lesser horses I would not think any more of you than horse muck.
This poor thing needs putting down, but each to their own. Hes had enough publicity that Im sure the RSPCA or any other welfare organisations will investigate & find out all the details to see if that would be the best thing for him.
Some of you just need to stop being so up yourselves that you stop thinking about the fact it is still a beautiful animal that deserves a bit more dignity than you expressing your cold opinions on an internet forum.
But what has really disgusted me is some of the comments some of you 'horse lovers' are posting...
This is still an animal which deserves your respect, as do all animals, regardless of their rank in your eyes. Just because it isnt a perfect jumping pony that can win you 1st rosettes doesnt mean you should be so blunt in voicing your opinion. I have 2 Shetlands & if anyone dared to disregard my Shetlands as lesser horses I would not think any more of you than horse muck.
This poor thing needs putting down, but each to their own. Hes had enough publicity that Im sure the RSPCA or any other welfare organisations will investigate & find out all the details to see if that would be the best thing for him.
Some of you just need to stop being so up yourselves that you stop thinking about the fact it is still a beautiful animal that deserves a bit more dignity than you expressing your cold opinions on an internet forum.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Well unless this poor creature can read, I can't see how anyones comments on here can directly affect it.
If it is not ethical to PTS, then ask yourself the opposite question, is it ethical to prolong its life?
Stinkbomb
Well-Known Member
I cant see anyone here acting as if its a lesser horse. Im a miniature lover, im passionate about miniatures and your right Minxy deserves the respect and dignity of being PTS
aj18
Member
dont get me wrong, i agree with whatever the ethical action is for it, but it just annoys me people are so blunt about an animals death due to being angry at the owner. it still deserves respect
aj18
Member
i only say about the miniatures because someone made a comment mentioning basically they shouldn't be bred anymore because they are just ornaments, but why does that mean they don't deserve to be bred? it seems like some people are just very snobbish about horses that arent competition winners.
and im not sure if you were being sarcastic about the last part of your comment but i was just saying this animal deserves more than 'just kill it' style comments
Stinkbomb
Well-Known Member
Yes i understand what your trying to get across. Sorry didnt mean to sound sarcastic it wasnt meant in that tone 
aj18
Member
sorry, can never tell if someones being sarcastic in writing! glad you agree, and glad to know there's one more person in the world with a little sympathy for the poor guy! 
SusannaF
Well-Known Member
Like any other breed, a good example of a mini is a thing of joy!
Correct me if I'm wrong, Stinkbomb, but a miniature horse should be just that a horse that's proportioned like a full-size horse, but just smaller.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Stinkbomb, but a miniature horse should be just that a horse that's proportioned like a full-size horse, but just smaller.
Stinkbomb
Well-Known Member
SuzannaF - thats what the breed standard strives to achieve yes!
competitiondiva
Well-Known Member
So do I read this right, they bred the foal then don't have the finances to get it the vet treatment it needs or make the decision to end it's life???? So they basically want others to help them have their own foal?????? How is this different to any foal born with difficulties needing vet treatment, should every breeder get financial aid??? Sorry to be callus but they made the decision to breed (with a breed that are known for dwarfism and other problems etc) and now want bailing out?? I think they need to take some responsibility here.......
Last edited:
MurphysMinder
Well-Known Member
Can I suggest everyone who has a view on this posts on the other thread posted by baked bean. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=469295
Otherwise this thread is going to get listed in Horse and Hound as the most popular and the title would suggest that everyone on here wants to help i.e. donate for Minxy, rather than how the majority of us really feel. And yes, I know I have just added another post by typing this.
Otherwise this thread is going to get listed in Horse and Hound as the most popular and the title would suggest that everyone on here wants to help i.e. donate for Minxy, rather than how the majority of us really feel. And yes, I know I have just added another post by typing this.
Wagtail
Horse servant
I completely agree with this. Even though I do not know all the facts to say whether it is right to try to save this poor little foal. I do not see why she should be any different to any other foal that is born with deformaties.
Wagtail
Horse servant
Only those who have seen this animal first hand will know if she is suffering. Not loads of people on the internet. I think it is awful that someone has people baying to put her animal to sleep. She does not look any worse to me than so many other cases of bent legs in foals. The only difference is that she is a dwarf. We have human dwarfs, should they not get treatment either?
What IS wrong is that this owner (like many others with deformed foals) should just get on and save the animal herself. If she doesn't have the money then yes, she will have to PTS. But if people want to donate, then it is up to them.
What IS wrong is that this owner (like many others with deformed foals) should just get on and save the animal herself. If she doesn't have the money then yes, she will have to PTS. But if people want to donate, then it is up to them.
Stinkbomb
Well-Known Member
Its not just his legs that are the problem. If the effect of a SEVERE dwarf miniature was truelly understood then there would not be many wanting to keep it alive. Im talking SEVERE dwafism not minimal which is totally different. You cant compare a horse to a human in my eyes sorry.
Wagtail
Horse servant
The problem is, people are making judgements without seeing this pony in the flesh and putting pressure on a woman to put her foal to sleep when it should be HER decision. She is with the foal day in day out and knows if it is suffering. I agree if the foal has some of the other complications that dwarfism can cause such as difficulty breathing, then she will not be a happy pony. But at the end of the day you have to look at what quality of life the little foal will have if it is put through the operations she requires. Would it all be worth it? And that is a decision that should be made by the owners, not strangers.
jinglejoys
Well-Known Member
Haven't read all the posts but reading the article a) Fallabellas are not rare and b)seems the owner is more interested in gettting a world record
I'm presuming it will be castrated if it survives or will it end up being the world record rare Fallabella at stud
I'm presuming it will be castrated if it survives or will it end up being the world record rare Fallabella at stud
Wagtail
Horse servant
Shouldn't be bred from. That is for sure.
Changes
Well-Known Member
**She will not be a happy pony**
Are you for real?? For someone so opinionated about what is right for horses, you don't appear to understand the basic premise of welfare and well-being. Have you read up about this pony, and dwarfism?
And that was a seriously polite response comapred to what I wanted to say to you.
Wagtail
Horse servant
**She will not be a happy pony**
Are you for real?? For someone so opinionated about what is right for horses, you don't appear to understand the basic premise of welfare and well-being. Have you read up about this pony, and dwarfism?
And that was a seriously polite response comapred to what I wanted to say to you.
So you disagree thet she will be an unhappy pony?
Spyda
Well-Known Member
Yes! but she's asking 'strangers' to pay for it - so it DOES become their business to judge doesn't it.
And £6k??
It's simply not worth it for one disabled foal. Sorry, I really feel for the little mite and it's tragic, but sometimes it's fairer to just PTS in a kind and loving way. Obviously if the owner/breeder had unlimited personal funds and wished to fund her foal's treatment herself then that would be entirely her decision and I'd wish her well. But to try and raise £6k in this instance from donations, when there are so many more needy horses out there who'd benefit from such an enormous amount, just seems crazy to me.
Wagtail
Horse servant
Yes! but she's asking 'strangers' to pay for it - so it DOES become their business to judge doesn't it.
And £6k??
Obviously if the owner/breeder had unlimited personal funds and wished to fund her foal's treatment herself then that would be entirely her decision and I'd wish her well. But to try and raise £6k in this instance from donations, when there are so many more needy horses out there who'd benefit from such an enormous amount, just seems crazy to me.
I agree. Why should she get funding when others don't? But to be fair, ANYONE could try to get publicity to fund operations for their cute little deformed foal. Should they really be berated for doing it? I don't think so. It is up to the public whether they donate or not.
Now it may well be that trying to save this little foal is actually a cruel thing to do, especially if it is only being done because the owner smells potential money for holding the world's smallest pony record. THAT in my mind would be totally wrong. The decision on whether or not to put this foal through the operations should depend on whether or not the pony has a good chance of a comfortable and happy life. If not, then he/she should be PTS.
I do not pretend to know whether or not these operations would be worth putting the pony through or not. All I am saying is that it is up to the owners and the vets concerned to make that decision. We can have opinions of course, but I think it is wrong to try to pressurise someone into putting an animal to sleep without being personally involved and in communication with the vets concerned.
Changes
Well-Known Member
To describe what that pony is going through as 'unhappy', is on a par with suggesting the mutilated Shetland would have been 'uncomfortable'.
Wagtail
Horse servant
I think you are being a little extreme there. If you are referring to the pony that had its ear cut off? Neither you nor have access to Minxy's veterinary report. I do not KNOW how much pain she is in, and nor do you. You are making assumptions. When a horse has been mutilated it is obvious what pain they are in.
Now as I have said to a much more polite and informed poster on the other thread, I too would have little Minxy put down if the operations she would need would involve breaking bones etc rather than just straightening ligaments. However, I do not think that hate campaigns on facebook and getting irate on threads like this are at all helpful. People are far more likely to listen if you are reasonable and polite.
henryhorn
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry Wagtail but no, if the animal is suffering then it should not be left to her to decide.
Look at what she says in the vid clip.
It has already in 10 weeks had pneumonia twice.
It's neck is deformed.
it's teeth are growing backwards and likely to block it's airway.
It's backlegs are severely twisted, she claimed even the bones.
It can't stand unaided without the splints.
We've had foals born this year who have wobbly legs like that (well not as bad). On vet advice they have had restricted exercise, the mares have not had hard feed in the hope they don't make the foals grow too fast and within 4 weeks there has been sufficient improvement for them to go out as normal. This pony in 10 weeks is still unable to walk without support. He isn't going to get better without several ops, and is still being treated like a pet poodle not a foal.
As for not knowing if it's suffering you can't ignore the fact she and her partner have been in the news for dealing heroin from the address, would she be able to realise what suffering was if she is still taking the stuff?
Do you honestly feel it's ok to drag a 10 week old foal round shopping centres and car boot sales flogging raffle tickets to people who feel sorry for it?
I don't need to see it in real life, I watched the video and can understand exactly what it's veterinary problems are. Resonsible breeders euthanise foals like this, it's the kindest thing to do. And if the owner won't do it then the authorities like WHW should talk to her until she does.
Look at what she says in the vid clip.
It has already in 10 weeks had pneumonia twice.
It's neck is deformed.
it's teeth are growing backwards and likely to block it's airway.
It's backlegs are severely twisted, she claimed even the bones.
It can't stand unaided without the splints.
We've had foals born this year who have wobbly legs like that (well not as bad). On vet advice they have had restricted exercise, the mares have not had hard feed in the hope they don't make the foals grow too fast and within 4 weeks there has been sufficient improvement for them to go out as normal. This pony in 10 weeks is still unable to walk without support. He isn't going to get better without several ops, and is still being treated like a pet poodle not a foal.
As for not knowing if it's suffering you can't ignore the fact she and her partner have been in the news for dealing heroin from the address, would she be able to realise what suffering was if she is still taking the stuff?
Do you honestly feel it's ok to drag a 10 week old foal round shopping centres and car boot sales flogging raffle tickets to people who feel sorry for it?
I don't need to see it in real life, I watched the video and can understand exactly what it's veterinary problems are. Resonsible breeders euthanise foals like this, it's the kindest thing to do. And if the owner won't do it then the authorities like WHW should talk to her until she does.
JosieB
Well-Known Member
I am all for giving animals a chance if there is a decent possibility they will go on to lead a happy and pain free life. Seeing the pics of this little foal without the splints was disturbing to say the least. It faces months and months of operations and will suffer for the whole of its sad little life. Money spinner for a skag baron... simples.
Echo Bravo
Well-Known Member
If this had been a deformed calf,piglet,lamb or chick. They would have been PTS straight away and nobody would have said Boo to a goose about it.