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We bought a 10 year old gelding at the end of May. We viewed him once (as it was a very long drive away from us) and fell in love with him. We did notice a couple of marks on his withers and the seller told us that it was old wounds which were healing. At this point you have probably guessed that we are first time buyers!! we took her word for his health as she seemed very genuine and knowledgeable. However, he was delivered to our local livery yard on Thursday and yesterday the owner noticed the marks and asked us to quarantine him until he had been vet checked. We had a vet come out this morning - he has diagnosed sarcoids, a fairly mild case however he is confident that this should have lowered the asking price by around £1000 (we paid £2300 for him) I phoned the seller last night and she said that her vet had checked him and ruled out ring worm and said that it was just a wound mark. However she is aware of what sarcoids are and I find it difficult to believe that neither she nor her vet were aware of the problem. We are now faced with future vet fees and the uncertainty of whether his condition will remain stable or gradually deteriorate. I would appreciate any thoughts or comments on our dilemma.
 
Did you have the horse vetted before you bought it? If not you are possibly on rocky ground

It's worth getting a second opinion too just to confirm the diagnosis
 
We took the owners word that he was in good health and had been checked out by her vet, all his innoculations, worming and teeth were up to date so we assumed the best.
 
in that case if she was a private seller you probably bought under buyer beware, unless you have a warrenty. its a harsh lesson to learn but you should always take someone more experienced with you to buy if you are inexperienced and a vetting is always a good idea! some people selling horses are not nice honest people and it looks like they may have seen you coming. try contacting the seller and see if she will do anything about it for the sake of her reputation. i hope things work out for you
 
I am sure that his diagnosis is correct, it annoys me though that the seller says she was unaware of the condition when she has come across it before - I dont think you would mistake it for a wound having seen it before
 
you got that right!! Just wish she had been honest with us and let us make an informed decision on wether to buy him or not.
 
lesley.jnakowski@sky said:
I am sure that his diagnosis is correct, it annoys me though that the seller says she was unaware of the condition when she has come across it before - I dont think you would mistake it for a wound having seen it before
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Sarcoids can vary enormously in structure and appearance. There are several different types, so it is not *that* unlikely that the owner would not have realised :/

Have a look here, lots of good information
http://www.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/
 
This is becoming more and more common. : /
when we people learn to take a experienced person with them and get a vetting.
Another who's learnt a hard lesson.
 
Yes I was also going to point that out, not sure I would recognise them on withers either and I have had a horse that suffered with them on the inside of it's legs thsts why I suggested a second opinion could be a good idea
 
You have bought a horse not a car, you didn't get it vetted and bought the horse 'as seen' and you took the sellers word as gospel!

The HORSE comes first.....buy some Camrosa for the 'so called sarcoids'

If you bought the horse you must have like him/her and have had the horse 5 minutes and found a problem, deal with the problem, you don't have a leg to stand on legally,

Its the horse I feel sorry for...
 
Inexperience people do buy horses, sellers have a habit of "seeing them coming" who's the one to blame? It this instance the seller for taking advantage of there inexperience.
 
snopuma said:
The HORSE comes first.....buy some Camrosa for the 'so called sarcoids'
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If the horse comes first please follow your vets advice (and that could include contacting people such as Prof. Knottenbelt from the above link) and don't play about with any of the weird recommendations that people make...
 
snopuma said:
The HORSE comes first.....buy some Camrosa for the 'so called sarcoids'

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Please do not do this.

Camrosa is no longer marketed as a cure for sarcoids because there are some sarcoids which take great exception to it and go into overdrive. Sarcoids are malignant, though often, even "usually", of no concern unless they are provoked. Once provoked, they can go out of control and be very dangerous.
 
lesley.jnakowski@sky said:
We did notice a couple of marks on his withers and the seller told us that it was old wounds which were healing.
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I once had a grey horse which was bitten on the neck near the wither. The bite failed to heal and turned into a scaly grey sarcoid (for the experienced, this was not proud flesh, it was definitely a sarcoid).

It is entirely possible that they could have been old wounds and turned to sarcoids. The seller may be genuine and even if they are not you will be unable to prove that they were not wounds which became sarcoids.

I do hope that they cause you no further trouble, most of the flat grey scaly ones that look like scarred wounds never do.
 
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rhino said:
Sarcoids can vary enormously in structure and appearance. There are several different types, so it is not *that* unlikely that the owner would not have realised :/

Have a look here, lots of good information
http://www.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/
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Rhino, you're ace! I've never found any decent info on Sarcoids on the web (its probably there in amongst all the ads for herbal 'cures'!) this is amazing - thankyou xx
 
OP you should have had it vetted learn the lesson and get your vet to sort the issue someone coming across as experianced is not a reason to part with 2300 for a horse without a proper vetting.
They proberly started as a wound that a fly infected the previous owner has not necessarily lied to you the chances are they thought it was a wound scar that's why you pay a vet.
 
Please do not treat with camrosa! How on earth something that's marketed as a healing agent can also be marketed as a sarcoidosis treatment is beyond me!! Follow your vets advice on this, it sounds like he knows what he's looking at
 
To be honest I would have been almost as concerned by wounds on the withers as sarcoids.

The horses back could have been damaged by a badly fitting saddle or anything.

Hope you manage to get it sorted OP, I also dont think you have any come back. And you wont be able to claim on insurance either as its an existing condition.
 
There are so many of these mis sold threads on here just now, youre not alone.
Op im sorry but cant understand why you and others just blindly buy without vetting, you dont know the seller, but will happily give a good amount of money over to a complete stranger :confused:unless youre prepared to pay your money and take a chance, not the best option.
I know this doesnt help, but dont think youve any comeback sorry.
 
Queenbee said:
Please do not treat with camrosa! How on earth something that's marketed as a healing agent can also be marketed as a sarcoidosis treatment is beyond me!!
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It isn't and it hasn't been for many years now, because it can be dangerous on them.

I'm still not convinced your horse was missold OP. The one on my horse looked every bit like a scar until it started to get bigger instead of smaller. If it was genuinely a private sale, and the horse had got a couple of small injuries, they could have been fooled just like I was.
 
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But beware because some vets dont get it right either! I have always found that doing some homework ie tracing old owners and speaking to them all (they have no problem with info generally as they are not the one selling), very easy now with google and facebook, twitter etc dont be afraid to ring random numbers it has always worked for me and another way is to trace back through vet and professional organisations (although you may have to write and ask the organisation to pass on your letter) and of course ask the current owner for permission to speak to their vet about history with the animal, I have only once bought without doing all of this and bought from a friend and its the only one that was a "mistake" and I have bought a few over the last 20-30 years!!!
 
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