Modern Obsession with putting kids on bigger and bigger ponies/horses

I too have seen pushy or ignorant parents putting their children onto ponies/horses too big and therefore too much for the kid. In saying that, it really is a case by case senario. My first horse at 12yrs of age was 15.2hh and he was too much for me really looking back, but that had nothing to do with his size. He would have been just as opinionated if he was 13.2hh! I had him until he died aged 30 yrs.

I learned to ride in UK riding schools and was often put on the 15hh types as was tall for my age. I only did a couple of years of the pony thing. After emmigrating with my family to NZ aged 12yrs was when I got the 15.2hh nutter. Having only experinced a riding school enviroment to being out on open land by myself was most of the problem. In NZ they hunt over full wire (just jump the paddock fences basically) and as my horse had been regularly hunted, he thought nothing of popping any fence that took his fancy.

As an adult my next model was 15.1hh. So in fact smaller although I'm 5ft 8".
I will admit to feeling a little under horsed most of the time. After owning her for about three years, I got a 17hh off the track TB. Definately didn't feel underhorsed on him! However with reschooling he had impeccable manners, disc brakes and therefore was much easier to ride than either of the other two.

In NZ showjumping, kids stay on ponies until they're 17. So you do see some very leggy riders on full sized ponies. However, no one makes comments about it as it's accepted as the norm. At the yard I worked at, all our liveries competed in affliated S/J so had to say on ponies til 17yrs, but they did buy horses when they were about 14yrs and trained at home. Again, their last ponies were often bought because they rode more like a small horse and therefore the step up to a proper horse was less dramatic.
 
Blimey- If i were you i would move branch of pony club! We were encouraged to stay on ponies at our PC.

Don't think we haven't considered it, but (and here's another tangent!) it's easier to change your nationality (or your husband, definitely) that to change branches of the PC it is frowned on in the extreme, and you need joint permission from both oberfuhrers. It really is quite scary, who ever knew? :D
 
i think its totally normal and prob even safer cos if u fall off its not as long drop. both are amazing :)
me and my friend(we are 14) ride her cousins little 12.2 pony and jump her! my friend is really tall and im normal height and we do it for fun. People thinks its dangerous but come on, ya need to have fun!
 
Well my daughter (12) is learning to ride on my cob whose about 14.3hh (poss 15hh) and she is 5ft 3 ins tall so she cannot really go on anything smaller.But I used to ride a 13.3hh and got told Your too big for that pony. I do not feel comfitable on horses that are 16hh or higher.


I'm just over 5"6 and ride a 14.hh!!
 
I agree. I have a 15.1/2hh ish cob and i'm around 5ft 6. I feel quite safe on her and love her to bits, but I do prefer sometimes the little 12.2hh pony who I ride sometimes at the yard, I know I am too big for her height wise, but weight wise I'm light enough so it's fine. I do prefer falling off briar thought because it's less to fall from her than Bella.
 
Don't think we haven't considered it, but (and here's another tangent!) it's easier to change your nationality (or your husband, definitely) that to change branches of the PC it is frowned on in the extreme, and you need joint permission from both oberfuhrers. It really is quite scary, who ever knew? :D

Now this I do agree with. Unless you actually move house, they make it very difficult for you to move branches, and if you are successfuly in changing, then you aren't allowed to compete in Area competitions for fourteen months after the transfer!

Something to note for anyone who is not yet a member and is trying to decide which branch to join, as once you have made your decision you will probably be stuck with it!
 
We have had a number of comments about the size of our new boy. My daughter was not ready to move onto anything too big even though she is quite tall. She is on a 15hh now and he will hopefully last her a good while. People seem to think that smaller horses are not able to take their children on to the next levels. A gratuitous picture of them shown just because I have learnt how to post them!
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Can i have him :D he`s fab!!!
i think it depends on the rider, i`ve seen some kids who are perfectly matched with bigger horses, they`re in control, the horse listens to them, I think its all down to experience and if they are matched or not.... i used to ride a sec b when i was 10, he was nuts used to set his neck and go, so i started riding a 14.2 secd who was equally as mental but we got on great and never had an issue :) Kids are bolshy imo and have a lot of guts....come 14 i would get on anything, handle anything and not take an ounce of **** off any horses, me and my old horse were jumping just over 1m20 by the time i sold him, fast forward 10 years and i will not got on anything wont jump that height and if a horse is playing up too much ill get off to calm it down rather than sit to it.

I bought my current horse hoping she`d stay at 14.3....as described in advert...she`s 16.1 now lol but she rides small so thats good
 
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I hate this, I was recently teaching at camo and there were children well under 5ft riding '14.2s' I put these in apostrophes as they say these ponies are 14.2 when they are 15hh just so they can do pny classes.

I'm 5ft and ride a 14.3 dainty Appaloosa. I don't look too big on a 12.2 which is slightly embarrasing!
 
I hate this, I was recently teaching at camo and there were children well under 5ft riding '14.2s' I put these in apostrophes as they say these ponies are 14.2 when they are 15hh just so they can do pny classes.

I'm 5ft and ride a 14.3 dainty Appaloosa. I don't look too big on a 12.2 which is slightly embarrasing!

dont be silly id kill to be able to get on a 12.2.... there was the most adorable cheeky pony up my yard recently..about 12.3 i was dying to have a go but at 5'5 and 9.5 st i feel im too big.....
 
dont be silly id kill to be able to get on a 12.2.... there was the most adorable cheeky pony up my yard recently..about 12.3 i was dying to have a go but at 5'5 and 9.5 st i feel im too big.....

Weight wise I think you'd be fine depending if the pony has bone most 12.2s are more than capable of taking 10st happily :) It is fun always being asked to back the small ponies or asked to ride teh cheeky 11.2s who are playing up! :p
 
Don't think we haven't considered it, but (and here's another tangent!) it's easier to change your nationality (or your husband, definitely) that to change branches of the PC it is frowned on in the extreme, and you need joint permission from both oberfuhrers. It really is quite scary, who ever knew? :D

:D PC politics from up on high, as a PC Secretary I dealt with this more than once, it isn't the DC's, they are just doing as they are told. Unless you are moving areas transferring Branches within the same Area can be tricky. All to do with Teams and disciplines, some members move, for example, because they want to do PPC but their branch doesn't have a team, or does, but that team isn't going to get to Olympia. If you transfer you are not allowed on a Team for a period of time - as I remember it.

None of the PC's I have been associated with pushed children up a size before they were ready, the children were what was important, not what they rode. Ponies were passed around the Clubs for years. I think some are more 'horse' orientated than others.
 
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I am not sure about the ponies having Hackney in them but my mare Misty that I sold for sure had some in her. It seems like I do not see many larger ponies at all tbh, just a lot of Shetland sized ones. I do have one of those good as gold Shetlands and he is priceless so I got very lucky! I paid $100 for him too ;)
 
I'm SO glad that this thread has been created LOL!

I'm 18 years old, 5 foot 2 and weight 7 stone 13lbs and have my trusty 14.1hh Welsh C x Arab with plenty of spark and attitude and was told on a frequent basis that I should get a bigger horse - I'd fall over in a strong wind - go figure how I'm meant to hold on to a 15.2hh-16.2hh thats messing around while SJ/XC/hacking etc...

That was precisely why I felt forced to change PC branches because I constantly felt persecuted because I still had a 14.1hh pony. My Mum got so livid in the end she told my old DC exactly what she thought of the little 13 year old brats on their 17hh Warmbloods and the pushy parents encouraging us to get a 'proper' horse. I've had the same problem at my local RS where I used to go to a lot of shows and consequently never set foot on the premises again! Its not for confidence reasons that I don't have a bigger horse but for the fact that I don't feel too big for Sketch and tbh, he couldn't be ridden by a 12 year old that is used to not having their arms pulled out of their sockets round a course of jumps because their sitting on an excitable little ball of black fluff- so what would be the point of selling him?! He isn't a first, or even a second pony really and I adore him for that. I've had him for too long and have formed too much of a bond with him now to ever contemplate replacing him.

I think it is terrible that pony riders feel pressured into getting a larger horse that they are unable to ride and control as well as a smaller, more suitable sized one. Do parents of the children with bigger horses not look at them riding and possibly consider their childs safety for one moment? After all, isn't that slightly more important than impressing other PC mothers?
 
im 16stone now and my 16hh horse (shes a strong horse) is that smallest i can ride sensibly and i love her i wouldnt want to be on anything more then i need
 
I think it is terrible that pony riders feel pressured into getting a larger horse that they are unable to ride and control as well as a smaller, more suitable sized one. Do parents of the children with bigger horses not look at them riding and possibly consider their childs safety for one moment? After all, isn't that slightly more important than impressing other PC mothers?

See this is the bit I don't get?! You're happy with riding a pony, and at the size you are that is very sensible. But don't you see you are doing the same thing as the people you complain about by moaning about children who have gone onto horses. You don't want people commenting on the size YOU choose to ride, but still want to criticize those who choose (often for sensible reasons) to ride a different size from you?

Why not just ride the size you are happy with - and let everyone else ride the animal they wish to as well. Horses for courses, and all that ...
 
I think it depends entirely on the child and the horse/pony. Yes it's lovely to see a child on a pony that is the right size for him or her, but I would rather see that child feeling happy and confident on something too big for them than getting bucked off a pony! It is also down to personal preference, and I think it's good for ones riding to ride all sorts of sizes.
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Funny enough,have had a chat with son tonight about this. He wants to go back to a RS because he is in love with one of the bigger ponies,he had quite a few "sits" on her last year but I did not take him for lessons there (or even think to) because they don't have a little ones.
P pony is 13.3/14 HH and son is a 1m 20 5 and a half year old.
I would like him to play ponies as much as possable because I missed out on that side of things completly (didn't start untill 15 and was allready too tall for ponies) but he is much happier about riding P pony then he is at the thought of riding the more better sized ponies at the other RS he went to,even admiting that was why he did not want to go back.

I guess it depends on the child,and since over horsed refers to far more then simply the height IMO if the child/teen/adult is happy with th horse then many years fun to them!
 
See this is the bit I don't get?! You're happy with riding a pony, and at the size you are that is very sensible. But don't you see you are doing the same thing as the people you complain about by moaning about children who have gone onto horses. You don't want people commenting on the size YOU choose to ride, but still want to criticize those who choose (often for sensible reasons) to ride a different size from you?

Why not just ride the size you are happy with - and let everyone else ride the animal they wish to as well. Horses for courses, and all that ...

I'm not criticizing them - if you are the same size as me and want to ride a 17hh horse then be my guest. I just don't understand why PARENTS who purchase the horses would put their child on something that may possibly be unsafe for them because it is two sizes too big and they are unable ride it in a safe manner. I didn't say there was anything wrong with riding large horses if you are a small person. If this is the whole object of the game when buying their child a horse then shouldn't their parenting abilities be questioned?
 
My mother was obviously trying to kill me then as at 9 I was on a 14.2hh ex racing arab, at 14 I went onto my 15hh mare who was at the time 3 years old and newly broken and then at 18 I got my 17.1hh warmblood but then her mother was trying to kill her too as she was riding a 16.2hh appaloosa when she was 14.

I utterly adore all 3 of them though and we still own them now.
 
I have to agree that it all depends on the matching the child with the horse.

My daughter at 13 and 5'9" when she was ready to move on from her 14.2hh, as he had taken her as far as she could go with him and wanted to progress. She started riding a friend's 15.2hh and people were commenting that she was even looking leggy on that. I wasnt in a financial position to buy a 15.2hh knowing that in 6-9 months time she would have outgrown that too so did 'jump' to a 16.1hh. **Ducks and awaits criticism** The fact that our lovely mare was just 4.5 yrs old :-$ not something I had gone out looking for did make think I had lost my marbles (my criteria was a 9+ been there done that type) but things have worked out brilliantly. We have had a few issues (that have been reported here) but they are now solved and its made daughter a better rider for it.

Now only 18mths later my 14 3/4 yr old is now a very leggy 5'10 but looks just fine on her 16.1hh, in fact some have already commented that she's looking too tall, which is just ridiculous and were told so!

Some pics just to prove she isnt over horsed.


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Only 13 when this was taken


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And 6 months later


P.S. our lovely 19yr old 14.2hh came back off loan yesterday and daughter hopped on board today. She did look very, very leggy but being a lightweight could just about get away with it :-)
 
I'm not criticizing them - if you are the same size as me and want to ride a 17hh horse then be my guest. I just don't understand why PARENTS who purchase the horses would put their child on something that may possibly be unsafe for them because it is two sizes too big and they are unable ride it in a safe manner. I didn't say there was anything wrong with riding large horses if you are a small person. If this is the whole object of the game when buying their child a horse then shouldn't their parenting abilities be questioned?

This is what you said in your post:

"Do parents of the children with bigger horses not look at them riding and possibly consider their childs safety for one moment? After all, isn't that slightly more important than impressing other PC mothers? "

If that isn't criticizing parents with children on bigger horses, then I don't know what is! LOL! I thought very carefully about the horse I chose for my daughter, and I can assure you that impressing other PC mothers was not on the list at all! Temperament was one of my first priorities, and if that temperament was found on a slightly bigger animal, then so be it.

I won't criticise you for riding your pony, so please don't make out I bought my daughter a horse purely to impress other mothers!
 
I own and run a riding school and to be honest we are now selling two of our 13.2hh ponies as we need taller horses for the kids - looking at finding suitable mounts of around 15.2and 16hh as the kids are getting taller - not too sure what the parents are feeding them but most of my 14 yrs + are riding 15.3 and above !

It's the suitablility, temperment and keeping them well schooled makes them safe horses for the kids to ride and jump !
 
When I was 10 I got a 13.2hh pony, who was a pretty crazy pony, and definitely not a first pony, and she did have some issues. When I outgrew her at the age of 14, rather than simply moving to a 14.2hh, I moved onto a 16.2hh, who also has issues. Yes, the majority of the people at my yard talked behind my back and thought I'd be overhorsed by Wings, however we have come so far together, and now, when we go out and compete and go clear or get placed, I am so proud because I got us there.

Yes, I could have bought a 14.2hh once I outgrew Monica, however I am now 5ft 7 and growing, and I didn't want to be buying a new horse ever year or two and then have to sell, as I know it'll be hard if I ever come to part with either of my two, so I didn't want to sell every horse I got. Now I have Wings, I know I'll not outgrow him, and he can be my forever horse.
 
Nooooo,thats the PC mothers :o

:D You've been meeting the wrong PC mothers;)

Most of us are perfectly normal humans that want our children to be safe and happy, and if they want to compete, then we (parents most often being like that) encourage and help them without letting them lose sight of the fact that horse ownership is a privilege to be earned, not a god given right.

Sure you get the loud, pushy, ambitious (living their dreams through a child?) Mums, and Dads, but no more so than in any other sport.

I am 5'2" with boots on, at 15 years old I bought a 16.2 Tb and spent several happy years with him. I wasn't pushed into buying him by anyone, I just wanted him because he jumped and so did I, and I paid for half of him myself. PC officials were, in fact, rather concerned about it when they first saw him, but he was beautifully mannered and a real gentleman so they forgave him for being so big that we jumped gates :D rather than got off to open them, and I had to train him to stand in ditches so I could get on! Size doesn't matter, it is all about compatability as far as I am concerned.
 
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I must be an exception. I hated riding ponies couldn't wait to get on horses. Often rode, hacked & jumped friends old safe 16.2hh from the age of 8 onwards. I like mine up to about 16.2hh but not much less than 15.3hh. I like a lot of neck in front of :)
TBH i would rather ride my friend 17.2hh intermediate eventer than a 14.2 pony.
I'm 5'5" so not that tall!
 
This is what you said in your post:

"Do parents of the children with bigger horses not look at them riding and possibly consider their childs safety for one moment? After all, isn't that slightly more important than impressing other PC mothers? "

If that isn't criticizing parents with children on bigger horses, then I don't know what is! LOL! I thought very carefully about the horse I chose for my daughter, and I can assure you that impressing other PC mothers was not on the list at all! Temperament was one of my first priorities, and if that temperament was found on a slightly bigger animal, then so be it.

I won't criticise you for riding your pony, so please don't make out I bought my daughter a horse purely to impress other mothers!

Fair enough if your horse has a good temperament and your daughter gets on well with it. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in your situation.

What I'm actually talking about here - not your daughter obviously - is parents that are buying horses for their children which their children are unable to control. I didn't say "All mothers that buy their children big horses only do it to impress other mothers" did I? Fair enough if you find the right animal in a bigger one. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in that situation and it annoys me when horse and rider obviously aren't getting along for reasons that it is too large and has an unsuitable temperament, and nothing is done about it.
 
I've just typed all this out on my phone and it timed out :(

Just to say that it can sometimes go the other way as well.

Jenny outgrew her 13.0hh very fine Welsh B gelding when she was just 8 years old. She shared my 15.2hh showjumper (TB x Welsh) with me for a couple of years. She also wanted to take him to Junior camp but the DC wouldn't let her, as the set up was really for ponies up to 14hh. Even the 14hh were a bit cramped in the barn! So she ended up leasing (at VAST expense) a riding school pony and had really good fun on him.

The next year, Jenny was still riding Blackjack so the DC let her take Blackjack to senior camp as they were stabled. She ended up winning the camp competition for her group and learnt loads.

Jenny also was determined to win back her gymkhana trophy that she'd won the previous year on Duck at Pen Selwood horse show. Blackjack is a very long strided, lollopy horse so not really suited to games. He also hadn't had much experience, but he excelled at the bending (as he did flying changes soooo easily) and the musical poles (as he neck reined easily) so Jenny won the trophy back as she won most of the races she entered.

Jenny also did inter-schools team SJ on Blackjack, as he was very genuine and jumped the double in the jump off at an exceptionally oblique angle (Jenny nearly missed it) but he threw himself over it sideways to get the only double clear of the team, getting them overall 5th place.

Jenny learnt a lot riding Blackjack, and had it not been for her riding him she would never have been able to have had Squizz. When we phoned up in response to Squizz's advert, Holly immediately said "no 12 year old will be able to handle him" but when she saw Jenny ride him she offered to sell, instead of loan, him to us!

Jenny riding Duck at the age of 5.
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Jenny aged 9 on Blackajck with the final height of the chase-me-charlie fence she won.
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Jenny aged 13 with Squizz after winning the working hunter championship at Pen Selwood show.
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