Mojo - Holographic Bands

Horseshoe bats are amazing (esp the ones in buckfastleigh) but I don't get any exciting bats near me - too far oop north. There's no hope :( ;)
 
Stencilface said:
Horseshoe bats are amazing (esp the ones in buckfastleigh) but I don't get any exciting bats near me - too far oop north. There's no hope :( ;)
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You think it is coincidence that a large proportion of the top event riders live in the south central/south west region following the pattern of distribution for the horseshoe bat? You think Matt Ryan chose south Wales by chance, or that the location of Badminton is a random thing? I think not..... ;)
 
I think buckfastleigh was on countryfile or similar convo to camera went..

' so do you think we are going to see any bats this evening?'

'well hopefully'

if they had turned around they would have seen them as they were visible to one and all behind them! :D
 
Loving this thread. For those of you who are also amused at the pseudo-science read Ben Goldacres book "Bad Science". He de-bunks lots of these rubbish claims!
 
OMG, this makes so much sense! I moved my horse earlier this year to an event yard, when the evenings started getting darker I noticed that there were quite often bats flying around. We did some dressage earlier this year and were noted to be much improved :D
 
Dizzle said:
OMG, this makes so much sense! I moved my horse earlier this year to an event yard, when the evenings started getting darker I noticed that there were quite often bats flying around. We did some dressage earlier this year and were noted to be much improved :D
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You will note that this is my technology - you will therefore need to forward me £24.99 forthwith or I guarantee your improvement might not continue. I am pleased, however, that you have noted the requirement to be involved, even in a tenuous way, with eventing in order for my 'bat-win' technology to work. Thankyou for your evidence, I shall use it on my website. ;)
 
SpottedCat said:
You think it is coincidence that a large proportion of the top event riders live in the south central/south west region following the pattern of distribution for the horseshoe bat? You think Matt Ryan chose south Wales by chance, or that the location of Badminton is a random thing? I think not..... ;)
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Hmm, but all the good showjumpers are northern, so maybe they are reliant on something else. Any claims and 'evidence' for that - distribution of whippets maybe?! :p
 
Stencilface said:
Hmm, but all the good showjumpers are northern, so maybe they are reliant on something else. Any claims and 'evidence' for that - distribution of whippets maybe?! :p
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I can only go on the evidence of my increased eventing success, which is directly correlated with my level of bat surveying. As I am not a showjumper, I would struggle to provide the required evidence for you, though I feel Juno is on to something with his polecat theory. I have never been asked to survey polecats so I don't have any evidence to provide you with.
 
becky6426 said:
At the moment we are desperatly trying to get together scientific evidence to prove there is something in it but have you ever tried to prove something that people don't fully understand like did the chicken come before the egg it's a nightmare!!
Believe me as soon as we have written evidence i'll be swinging from the rafters!!
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So hang on, you're flogging a product for £30 on the basis of some claims that you have no evidence to support (and by that, I mean scientific evidence, not just anecdotes from gullible people).
In the industry I work in we generally have to back up any claims of efficacy with actual data before being allowed to market a product...
 
Ha! Weevil I was hoping you wouldn't see this thread as I just knew it would be bad for your blood pressure :p

That's another stall I shall have to steer you away from at Burghley then... :rolleyes:
 
Well I have to say I was not going to be a believer when I went by the stand a Burghley, but I had time to kill as the A1 was shut due to the plane crash, so when I was aproached to try one on by the chaps on the stand, myself and my friend thought well why not. ( we had, had a couple of pints of cider mind you)

I was hooked and amazed and went home taking about 'the Mojo man'..............I didn't part with any money as I was going back Sunday minus the cider to see if it was all true, took some friends with me and they to were amazed by 'the mojo man' 30 minutes later we had two human and 3 horse sets of mojos.!


I wear mine all the time, Is suffer with lower back pain when walking so much so I have to stop and rest for a while but since wearing my mojo I get slight pain but not bad enough to stop me walking.

My partners horse is very spooky, but since having his mojos on his bridle at events he is so much more relaxed.

Believe what you like......................!

I know that some of the Burghley 4* eventers are trying and liking them !


Jane
 
Well given that even the makers of some of these holographic bracelets have admitted that there is no science behind their claims I won't be parting with my money any time soon. There are much cheaper ways to prove the power of the placebo!
 
Puppy said:
Ha! Weevil I was hoping you wouldn't see this thread as I just knew it would be bad for your blood pressure :p

That's another stall I shall have to steer you away from at Burghley then... :rolleyes:
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I already had to be steered away from them:rolleyes:
Ah well, I am having a rubbish day and mocking bad science is cheering me up greatly :D:D
 
weevil said:
Well given that even the makers of some of these holographic bracelets have admitted that there is no science behind their claims I won't be parting with my money any time soon. There are much cheaper ways to prove the power of the placebo!
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Yes homeopathy.
 
I cannot seriously believe that people would pay money for such a load of pseudo-science mumbo jumbo...especially since someone linked to the company is saying they can't prove it works :D

I would've thought any basic radomized controlled trial would work....but then I guess you're not going to publish the results of that if it doesn't show what you want are you ;)
 
Also if SAY the company what the company are spouting is true & these holograms do have an effect.....can they show us that they are safe & there are not any potentially harmful side effects.
No? Thought not.
 
LEC said:
At least I know what to get SC for Christmas now.
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That made me titter :D How about a polecat, though, now she's conquered the eventing with her bat strategy?

More seriously, I accept all the scientists' perspective on this product, and I can absolutely understand that if this is your perspective you can no more countenance using a Mojo than taking a twig and going to search for water. The lack of scientific back up is indeed frustrating.

However, I belong to that unfashionable group who believe "There are more things in heaven and on earth, Horatio..." (apologies if I've misquoted but you get my drift) so the lack of evidence and understanding and basic scientific rationale doesn't completely rule it out for me. I'm a Christian, so I have long ago had to compromise my purely analytical approach to life on occasion, I've also seen a ghost - twice, as it happens. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I believe we are arrogant if we believe that just because we can't prove something it can't be true. I have a first degree and an MBA, a long and varied career, and I'm well aware of the process of scientific hypothesis testing. However, I still choose to go "off piste" when I feel like it, and I'm of the view the universe holds plenty of surprises for us yet - who knows, maybe this is one :)

There are plenty of fashionable products for which the scientific "proof" is pretty spurious, by the way: what about joint supplements? They are struggling to generate categoric evidence that these work at all (who knew that that Cortaflex trial they bang on about was based on a sample of 25 horses? I didn't till my vet told me yesterday :o :D)

That's not to say that there aren't many charlatans out there selling rubbish to the gullible/desperate. They are probably in the majority. I just felt like wading in on the other side of this debate as there are so many intelligent, articulate contributors on the one side already :D
 
TableDancer said:
However, I belong to that unfashionable group who believe "There are more things in heaven and on earth, Horatio..." (apologies if I've misquoted but you get my drift) so the lack of evidence and understanding and basic scientific rationale doesn't completely rule it out for me. I'm a Christian, so I have long ago had to compromise my purely analytical approach to life on occasion, I've also seen a ghost - twice, as it happens. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I believe we are arrogant if we believe that just because we can't prove something it can't be true. I have a first degree and an MBA, a long and varied career, and I'm well aware of the process of scientific hypothesis testing. However, I still choose to go "off piste" when I feel like it, and I'm of the view the universe holds plenty of surprises for us yet - who knows, maybe this is one :)
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Funny you should you say this TD. Whilst sitting in a very long traffic jam earlier today, I was thinking about this thread (sad I know) and wondered where the whole 'Religion' debate would sit - there's billions of people who believe in a Higher Being of one form or another but diddly squat scientific evidence to support their theories - doesn't stop them believing and, for many, finding comfort from it though does it?

Shall I also start on the Santa Claus theory....... ;) :p

Lets be honest - civilisation wouldn't have moved very far forward if a whole bunch of people hadn't noticed 'something' and decided to investigate it further. Can you imagine Isaac Newton (for example) observing the apple falling to the ground and instead of investigating why, shrugging his shoulders and saying well no-one's showed me any scientific proof as to why that's happened....?

Perhaps some things just take time........ :p
 
TableDancer, as it happens I agree with you - any scientist would - but no-one is saying they should provide the mechanism for *how* it works, just that it *does* - and that would be an extremely simple experiment that most undergrads could do.

I did know that about cortaflex BTW - why do you think I only bought it when I found it for a tenner?! ;) That's a sum I'm happy to throw down the drain :)
 
meardsall_millie said:
Funny you should you say this TD. Whilst sitting in a very long traffic jam earlier today, I was thinking about this thread (sad I know) and wondered where the whole 'Religion' debate would sit - there's billions of people who believe in a Higher Being of one form or another but diddly squat scientific evidence to support their theories - doesn't stop them believing and, for many, finding comfort from it though does it?

Shall I also start on the Santa Claus theory....... ;) :p

Lets be honest - civilisation wouldn't have moved very far forward if a whole bunch of people hadn't noticed 'something' and decided to investigate it further. Can you imagine Isaac Newton (for example) observing the apple falling to the ground and instead of investigating why, shrugging his shoulders and saying well no-one's showed me any scientific proof as to why that's happened....?

Perhaps some things just take time........ :p
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What's the Santa Claus theory? :confused: And don't you dare try and tell me that he doesn't exist. :mad: :p
 
Stayed away from this thread for a while as i really had no other comment to make and have now returned to smiling!!
We are certainly not con artists after peoples money for nothing we have given hundreds away for people to trial and the mojo's horse and human are now selling through recomendation which is an amazing result considering the lack of scientific evidence there is.
Just in case anyone is wondering out there we are not a muliti million pound company that can afford the hundreds of thousands of pounds it would take to try to get the evidence but a small family run company comprising of at most 5 people so if anyone out there would be interested in helping us get this scientific evidence we need we would be very gratefull of your help in pointing us in the right direction.
And to those few who have tried Mojo's and believe they can help people like we do a big high 5 to you :)
 
but the 'technology' has come from elsewhere, and has been disproved or can you categorically say that yours are different (apart from the packaging).

£100k? :eek: oh I don't know, PhD students are pretty cheap ;)
 
becky6426 said:
if anyone out there would be interested in helping us get this scientific evidence we need we would be very gratefull of your help in pointing us in the right direction.
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So why do you have a whole page on your website extolling the virtues of this fantastic technology if you have no evidence to back up your claims and, more importantly, no evidence that this is safe, and freely admit that you do not know how it works?
A quick literature search throws up a randomised placebo-controlled trial which showed that the hologram bracelets had absolutely no effect on human balance or stability...
 
And yes I do admit I don't know scientifically how they work but I have used one for the last 2 yrs for my practically rebuilt knee and I do benefit from wearing a mojo
 
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