Monet,s Garden treated with homeopathy

From memory 2 convential vets advised MG to be put down and the owner wouldnt give up, no idea homeopathy was involved but the important thing is this wonderful horse survived.

Watching Countryfile a few years ago a dairy farmer was at his wits end with mastitis in his dairy cattle and antibotics were not working, he then used a vet who practised homeopathy and it worked for his cows.

No idea how it works it certainly wouldnt be on my list but dowsing works and no one has been able to explain the mechanics of that.
 
pines of rome said:
but I wouldn,t mind betting that it helped and the fact that they sought this treatment out says something I think!
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Well in addition to making JFTD eat her words, you find some proof and you could also win $1 million dollars :D :D

http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpre...-1-million-if-you-can-prove-homeopathy-works/

As for why people do it, well people like to feel they are doing something and to be honest it is so, so unlikely homeopathy can be dangerous (as it's just water :rolleyes: ) that if people really want to waste their money on knowingly buying 'the placebo effect' then they are welcome :)
 
My favourite moment when 'discussing' homoeopathy with a friend (music student, bless) a medical student overheard and chimed in as he walked past- "All this fuss about water, so boring! Now custard. Custard is a cool liquid" and walked off. Possibly made my week :D I have no idea who he was, and am only guessing at his med. student status because he had his name badge on :D
 
homeopathy/black box and other 'speshul things' May may not work, but I wouldnt be naive enough to say no to it, desperate measurse and all that!!
And the main thing is Monets Garden is still here so hip hooray!!!!
The homeopathy may have only just bought him time for nature to take its course, but hey if thats what happened then I'm all for homeopathy!!!!!!
 
Lolo said:
My favourite moment when 'discussing' homoeopathy with a friend (music student, bless) a medical student overheard and chimed in as he walked past- "All this fuss about water, so boring! Now custard. Custard is a cool liquid" and walked off. Possibly made my week :D I have no idea who he was, and am only guessing at his med. student status because he had his name badge on :D
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Ahahaha! That's brilliant.


I second the poster above querying whether it was actual homeopathy (water) used, or natural remedies?

I've followed the other recent homeopathy and hologram etc posts, and it always makes me a bit happy seeing other science-y people taking the arguments to pieces. 'The plural of anecdotes is not data' is such a good quote.

Also agree that any vet suggesting homeopathy to me would be dismissed rather quickly.
 
Look, its a free country and if people want to use homeopathy then let them and do so without resorting to catty comments, insults or anything else. I use it for the simple reason that it works. I have a BSc and I have no idea why it works (the water memory theory was dropped YEARS ago, by the way) but it has done the job when "conventional" medicine (human and veterinary) has failed miserably. I work in a traditional University and have two Professors on my corridor, one of Chemistry, the other in Microbiology. Both are internationally renowned researchers and both use homeopathy. Are they stupid, mugs, easily fooled, or whatever? My sister's children were born in Germany where many GPs are also trained in homeopathy and my sister (previously super-sceptical) changed her mind when she saw the results. More and more vets here are doing courses in homeopathy. Have a look in the latest edition of H&H too. As for saying , well it all gets better by itself if you leave it long enough, explain to me why when my horse got an insect sting which resulted in a fluid-filled sac the size of a dogs scrotum hanging from her chest for 6 WEEKS without any change in size or nature whatsoever, after just two doses, one evening one morning of homeopathy shrank by 50% and was gone totally within a further 24 hours. I know, it just evaporated of course!
 
fatpiggy said:
Look, its a free country and if people want to use homeopathy then let them and do so without resorting to catty comments, insults or anything else. I use it for the simple reason that it works. I have a BSc and I have no idea why it works (the water memory theory was dropped YEARS ago, by the way) but it has done the job when "conventional" medicine (human and veterinary) has failed miserably. I work in a traditional University and have two Professors on my corridor, one of Chemistry, the other in Microbiology. Both are internationally renowned researchers and both use homeopathy. Are they stupid, mugs, easily fooled, or whatever? My sister's children were born in Germany where many GPs are also trained in homeopathy and my sister (previously super-sceptical) changed her mind when she saw the results. More and more vets here are doing courses in homeopathy. Have a look in the latest edition of H&H too. As for saying , well it all gets better by itself if you leave it long enough, explain to me why when my horse got an insect sting which resulted in a fluid-filled sac the size of a dogs scrotum hanging from her chest for 6 WEEKS without any change in size or nature whatsoever, after just two doses, one evening one morning of homeopathy shrank by 50% and was gone totally within a further 24 hours. I know, it just evaporated of course!
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2 doses of what, exactly?
 
fatpiggy said:
I use it for the simple reason that it works.
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No, you think it works. Contrary to the available evidence.

fatpiggy said:
More and more vets here are doing courses in homeopathy. Have a look in the latest edition of H&H too.
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Have a look at the Veterinary Times too, this letter is particularly interesting. The title is 'Homeopaths guilty of deliberate fraud' if you don't want to read the whole thing.

martlin said:
2 doses of what, exactly?
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Water? :D
 
fatpiggy said:
traditional University and have two Professors on my corridor, one of Chemistry, the other in Microbiology. Both are internationally renowned researchers and both use homeopathy.
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Really? I'd be very interested to know who these people are as every single scientist I have ever met has been vehemently anti and I'd like to hear why they use it/ what their reasoning is/ what they say about the research that has been carried out to date.
 
Apis Mel, 30c. I first discovered it when my horse got a nasty dose of lymphangitis. After 3 days of great pain (she was on other drugs for something else which blocked the uptake of antiinflammatories completely) I started her on it with advice from Ainsworth's in London, and by the next day she was walking again and back to normal by the end of that week. I then used it on myself when I got badly stung on the hand by a wasp and being on my way to play violin in a concert didn't have time to go and buy antihistamine tablets. The sting occurred at lunchtime, at 5pm there was a small red mark on the back of my hand and no pain or swelling whatsoever. I have a peculiar reaction to all things which bite and sting in that I suffer extreme swelling (have been hospitalised in the past with it) and have to remove things like rings extremely quickly as the entire limb gets huge. I regularly get targetted by horseflies and mozzies but Apis Mel always keeps the reaction under control so I keep a vial in my car. There is the added bonus of no side effects such as sedation.

Oh well, if some of you have such closed minds, more fool you. Bet you all read the adverts in the mags for new products though and go straight out and buy them just because you are told they are super duper, all singing all dancing and of course NEW. Wave cheerio to your money as you go.
 
fatpiggy said:
Oh well, if some of you have such closed minds, more fool you. Bet you all read the adverts in the mags for new products though and go straight out and buy them just because you are told they are super duper, all singing all dancing and of course NEW. Wave cheerio to your money as you go.
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Nope. :D

Is it time for this again

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fatpiggy said:
Oh well, if some of you have such closed minds, more fool you. Bet you all read the adverts in the mags for new products though and go straight out and buy them just because you are told they are super duper, all singing all dancing and of course NEW. Wave cheerio to your money as you go.
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Erm no, we're just as suspect about NEW bad science and pseudoscience as OLD bad science and pseudoscience actually. It's not being closed minded, it's about common sense and using the available evidence.
 
jesstickle said:
Really? I'd be very interested to know who these people are as every single scientist I have ever met has been vehemently anti and I'd like to hear why they use it/ what their reasoning is/ what they say about the research that has been carried out to date.
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What and have you harang them for their stupidity too? They can answer for themselves but I have no right to disclose their names on a public forum, even if I thought you were capable of having a reasoned discussion, which looking at your earlier posts, you clearly aren't.
 
fatpiggy said:
What and have you harang them for their stupidity too? They can answer for themselves but I have no right to disclose their names on a public forum, even if I thought you were capable of having a reasoned discussion, which looking at your earlier posts, you clearly aren't.
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Where exactly have I been unreasonable? I think that is incredibly unfair and unnecessarily personal. If you can't win your argument by legitimate means then you should concede gracefully, not start mud slinging. I said I wouldn't have a vet who recommended homoeopathy anywhere near my horses. That is, of course, by own opinion and to express it is in no way unreasonable :confused:

You could PM if you preferred, or tell me which institution you are at but I agree. You probably shouldn't tell me their names on a public forum.
 
rhino said:
Erm no, we're just as suspect about NEW bad science and pseudoscience as OLD bad science and pseudoscience actually. It's not being closed minded, it's about common sense and using the available evidence.
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There is plenty of evidence in the "real" world, but you won't even look at it, just dismiss it as short-sighted, crank owners. Horizon did a programme about homeopathy a good few years ago and interviewed a vet who was doing his own small clinical trial of horses with Cushings and concluded that those he treated with homeopathy did every bit as well as those of Pergolide, but again, without the nasty side effects.

I have an old geology text book from the 1960s with the last chapter of just 2 pages discussing the new theory of continental drift. Alfred Wegener, the geologist who first proposed it was totally ridiculed and David Attenborough related how his Prof at Cambridge told him it was a crazy idea and without any shred of evidence and he should dismiss it from his mind. Ah well.
 
fatpiggy said:
There is plenty of evidence in the "real" world, but you won't even look at it, just dismiss it as short-sighted, crank owners.
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You make a hell of a lot of (incorrect) assumptions fatpiggy. Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth, as it is making you appear foolish.
 
It's not so much the "water has memory" bit that puzzles me as the assigning of the active ingredient of the remedy.

So, for example I was told that homeopathic chocolate was good for women who were estranged from their children and for children with distant mothers because hedgehogs give up their young after a very short period of time.

Why are hedgehogs associated with chocolate :confused:
 
SusannaF said:
It's not so much the "water has memory" bit that puzzles me as the assigning of the active ingredient of the remedy.

So, for example I was told that homeopathic chocolate was good for women who were estranged from their children and for children with distant mothers because hedgehogs give up their young after a very short period of time.

Why are hedgehogs associated with chocolate :confused:
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Errrmm, ahem, well, mind boggles :confused::D
 
Poor PoR - I bet you didn't realise what a hornet's nest you were about to disturb :D:D:D I always feel that people are entitled to their own opinion as long as they're not harming anyone else:eek:
 
For a 30C liquid remedy, this equates to ONE molecule of the original 'treatment' being present in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water

(That's over 30 billion times the size of the earth)

If you are talking about pill form then you would need to take approximately two billion of them, and the thousand or so tons of lactose would be pretty bad for you I'm sure :rolleyes: :D

For one molecule of active ingredient!
 
Oh dear, what have I started can,t we all just get along and agree to disagree on this!
I have just come back from seeing my conventional vet and he is quite happy working with my homeopathic vet on my horse,s problems in fact it was his suggestion to try homeopathy on my boy,s sarcoid before going the liverpool cream route and he also condones the use of homeopathy to treat his navicular bone spur.
It is nice to see how these two vets run things past each other and can work together for the good of the horse, which is surely why we will try different things, what ever that might be!
 
fatpiggy said:
Horizon did a programme about homeopathy a good few years ago and interviewed a vet who was doing his own small clinical trial of horses with Cushings and concluded that those he treated with homeopathy did every bit as well as those of Pergolide, but again, without the nasty side effects.
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The entire transcript of the Horizon programme is available here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathytrans.shtml

It concludes:

Homeopathy is back where it started without any credible scientific explanation. That won't stop millions of people putting their faith in it, but science is confident. Homeopathy is impossible.
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