Monet,s Garden treated with homeopathy

[FleabittenT]

Horse lovers, your messageboard posts have been invaded by skeptics/denialists. These people REFUSE POINT BLANK to EVER read any evidence whatsoever nor to even take the time and effort to understand homeopathy. They insist that no studies have ever been conducted for homeopathy when there have been at least 1500. Whatever you tell them they are determined to disagree.
They have seen the thread about homeopathic medicines for horses on the 'Google Alert for Homeopathy' and a few of them have infiltrated this Forum to do everything in their power to close down the conversation.

This is my ultimate favourite post, ever! HHO infiltrated by homeopathic deniers...just brilliant

Going back to the OP, this is the original story of Monet's Garden (taken from the Racing Post last March).

A summary for anyone in a rush:
"Every day I feed him a carrot with his homoeopathic solution sprayed on it. I'm not sure what it does but we know it doesn't do any harm"

 

[Jesstickle]

Oh, I delete specific genes which I think may be important in the ability of the bug to cause disease - then I'd test it in disease models to see if it was less proficient than the normal version. In an ideal worldI would find a lovely weakened mutant which could be used as a vaccine. In this world... well... No comment

I was going to ask how your mutants were. Glad I didn't!! Ours are all splendid, not to rub it in or anything

I've heard about the sort of parties those Greek gods got up to

I'm in

Excellent. You bring your molecular lot, I'll bring mine and we'll all have a whoopi time of it!!

 

[ester]

I feel left out and non god like with no mutants

 

[lq22]

I feel left out and non god like with no mutants

If you have some orange carrots in the house, you can consider yourself included

 

[rhino]

Asprin is from the Aspen Tree- Native Americans used to eat the bark to stop headaches, Arnica is a herb which we use to treat bruising, cranberries help Urinary Tract Infections. Oranges contain vitamin C... vitamin C is used to treat colds. Devils Claw is in Buteless supplements that we feed to the horses....

As martlin said, there is a big difference between herbalism and homeopathy (the main one being that the herbal treatments actually CONTAIN traces of the herb/plant).

You are quite right that a huge number of 'drugs' have their basis in naturally occurring chemicals. Aspirin is one of the best known ones, quinine is another well known one.. There are many, many others (and more yet to be found I suspect). It has never been disputed that these 'natural' remedies are not effective, and although they have not been through the clinical trials process as 'new' drugs are, they are widely used Some people seem to feel that 'natural' remedies must be inherently safe, but this is a very dangerous misconception, some of the most deadly substances yet found are naturally occurring toxins.

Arnica is a funny one - there is quite a lot of research into its use, and unfortunately there is very little if any proof of its efficacy. More recently there have been concerns regarding adverse effects of arnica, both when taken orally and applied topically (again, NOT homeopathic arnica, because it doesn't contain arnica). The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has taken the step of reclassifying arnica as an 'unsafe herb'.

Vitamin C - interesting one here and one of my 'favourite' vitamins Largely due to the work of the multi-nobel prizewinning scientist Linus Pauling people believe that high dose Vitamin C has a multitude of uses - from 'curing' the common cold to aiding cancer treatment (the belief being that cancer cells need oxygen to replicate, and ultra high dose Vitamin C prevents them being able to uptake the oxygen). When my mum was in the latter stages of her cancer and trying the Gerson Therapy as a 'last resort' she was having massive doses of Vitamin C infused daily through a drip (luckily my dad and I were both trained up by her consultant so she could stay at home).

Unfortunately no-one has managed to replicate the results experimentally that Pauling claimed to have... The studies have all shown that it doesn't have an effect, either in cancer treatment or for colds. It is worth pointing out that Vitamin C is one of the water soluble vitamins so any you take that your body doesn't need will be processed and excreted in urine. As such, high doses of Vit C are highly unlikely to be harmful

I won't go on, as I think everyone will have lost the will to live by now

 

[rhino]

This is my ultimate favourite post, ever! HHO infiltrated by homeopathic deniers...just brilliant

I agree, it was an amazingly mad post

Ok, maybe I haven't quite finished...

Also from the article (I had read it before but haven't quoted it)

"A chap from Stoke phoned up about half past ten one night and he came up with the idea of homoeopathy," says Nicky.

"He said 'a child comes to my door with a rabbit and I fix the rabbit. Someone will bring a cat down, cat's in a bad way, I can fix that cat. I'll fix Monet's Garden'."

The vets at Oaklands were slightly sceptical but agreed to use the solution as long as it didn't interfere with what they were doing.

So in fact the vets weren't 'all for' the treatment, but instead had possibly also came to the conclusion that as homeopathy doesn't work it wouldn't do any harm? It's not the same as them recommending the treatment, is it?

 

[JFTDWS]

I was going to ask how your mutants were. Glad I didn't!! Ours are all splendid, not to rub it in or anything



Excellent. You bring your molecular lot, I'll bring mine and we'll all have a whoopi time of it!!

In fairness, I didn't really expect my mutants to be remotey useful. However, they are potentially publishable (I just have one of two things to finish up) and if they could indeed get me my PhD (which I am by no means confident they will, but there's always hope, I guess) they will have served their purpose and can "live" out their lives in our -80s without any fear of vengeance from me

Sounds like a plan! Drinking, vomiting, nudism, wrestling, homoeroticism, general debauchery - that's how the Greeks liked it, right?

 

[Booboos]

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[Meowy Catkin]

Oh but it's natural, therefore it must be good

I would say to anyone considering using the remedy that fatpiggy suggested, although Apis mel may be 'natural' it's not exactly ethical? Made by crushing whole bees and dissolving them in alcohol Vile!

It is immoral.

It's also not that far removed from using Rhino horn or tiger bones in Chinese medicine.

 

[rhino]

It is immoral.

It's also not that far removed from using Rhino horn or tiger bones in Chinese medicine.

*runs away before Louise comes looking*

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Yes, you are probably in mortal danger now. I shouldn't have mentioned it.

Sorry.

 

[PapaFrita]

Oh, I delete specific genes which I think may be important in the ability of the bug to cause disease - then I'd test it in disease models to see if it was less proficient than the normal version. In an ideal worldI would find a lovely weakened mutant which could be used as a vaccine. In this world... well... No comment

It does sound a bit God-like What is a 'disease model'? In layman's terms

 

[Suziq77]

*runs away before Louise comes looking*

It's alright Rhino, you can use a decoy

 

[JFTDWS]

It does sound a bit God-like What is a 'disease model'? In layman's terms

Depends on what you're doing - can be anything from cells cultured in a lab (e.g. I use a certain type of white blood cells, which were extracted from mice about a decade ago and grown up and stored and grown again ) to lumps of tissue extracted from animals, to mice/ rats etc.

Obviously, the more you get towards trials with live animals, the more confident you are your mutant will be interesting (and your data useful) and the more licensing / legislation there is - I'm not licensed to do live animal work, so if we did any (we aren't) it would be done by the professionals, who are Home Office licensed in facilities closely regulated by the HO, and each experiment passes ethical review boards and such.

It feels a lot more God-like when it works

 

[Jesstickle]

My bacteria just make loads and loads of a protein that they have no real right to be making