TJP
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B&F please don't turn this into another discussion like the fox 'holes' one
More bad press for hunting
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Binkle&Flip
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Not a problem and no further comment from me TJP 
TJP
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Thank you.
Fiagai
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I get it now
You cannot support your friends who shoot unless you want to also kill foxes with dogs ( according to you).
You cannot agree with flushing unless the dogs are then allowed to kill the flushed animal ( according to you)....
Clearly you didn't read the post at all....please go back and read it carefully.
Just for your sake I will try to explain slowly...the point was it doesnt add up at all...you can claim all the crazy activities and contradictory opinions you like - it makes no difference, it still does not add up....
I will try and remember to use smaller words and shorter sentences for you in future...oh I forgot you have agreed not to turn this thread into a repeat of the "fox holes" one....
EAST KENT
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The stags involved were obviously farmed ones,probably off to slaughter,their antlers were sawn off,which is standard practice on deer farms.What a lot some people can make out of nothing.
VoR
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Unhelpful, the sheer fact that you reply like this means that this thread is in danger of descending in to the pro v. anti fracas that the 'fox holes' one did. You have one opinion, B&F another, people can have opposing views and opinions neither is necessarily wrong, just different and abuse (whether direct or implied) doesn't present anyone in the 'best light' and demeans their argument IMHO.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Disgracefull and disgusting, if this is true.
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VoR
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If these stags were to be brought to a location purely to hunt then it is indeed wrong, however, watch the report and listen to it, whilst considering that the media want to make the story as dramatic as possible and those they speak to on camera are only those who oppose hunting (no balance, which is a typical media trick which many fall for!).
It states, 'the USPCA believe..' and the USPCA inspector states, 'we firmly believe.....' there is no evidence provided that these stags were to be hunted, finally, the reporter implies that the hunt being cancelled was due to these stags being found, it could just as easily be the master, who had already been contacted and would know that there was to be a lot of attention and therefore could endanger people, deciding that the best option would be to cancel.
All too often half truths and insinuations of the media are accepted as fact with little and sometimes no proof, don't be hood-winked they just want to sell papers and improve TV ratings!
It states, 'the USPCA believe..' and the USPCA inspector states, 'we firmly believe.....' there is no evidence provided that these stags were to be hunted, finally, the reporter implies that the hunt being cancelled was due to these stags being found, it could just as easily be the master, who had already been contacted and would know that there was to be a lot of attention and therefore could endanger people, deciding that the best option would be to cancel.
All too often half truths and insinuations of the media are accepted as fact with little and sometimes no proof, don't be hood-winked they just want to sell papers and improve TV ratings!
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
The fact that they needed a vet to come along and identify them as stags makes you wonder about the people involved in this and releasing farmed stags into the wild
and releasing farmed stags into the wild VoR
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The fact that they needed a vet to come along and identify them as stags makes you wonder about the people involved in this
See my previous about urban foxes, mindless and pretty much a death sentence, especially as they released these stags onto a country which is legally (I think we've established it's legal in Ireland) hunted!
Weird, just plain weird!
Fiagai
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I agree VoR. My reply above was based on the OP ignoring the original post and misquoting the content. This seems to be a common modus operandi of this poster. Btw the "fox hole" one was hijacked with misinformation posted alledgely from the 2004 Hunting Act and then used to berate those tried to quote the correct information on whether this was "illegal" or not. I agree all opinions are valid - however when false information as opposed to opinion is posted it shouldn't go unchallenged.
So I will ask the question that I posted in that last post once again
B&F has stated that they do not hunt and don't suscibe to LACS, then where are they getting the facts about bagged foxes and terriermen? An answer would be very informative....
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Herne
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Interesting.
How do you propose that controversial issues should be discussed on a hunting forum without descending into a pro. vs. anti debate?
VoR
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Not at all, but the thread had nothing to do with the issue, simply got hijacked, this was a straight question that got an answer, end of.
Binkle&Flip
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B&F has stated that they do not hunt and don't suscibe to LACS, then where are they getting the facts about bagged foxes and terriermen? An answer would be very informative....[/QUOT
My apologies firstly to TJP for posting after I promised I would not but a certain lie must be addressed by this soletry post. Perhaps Fiagai would have the decency to take this to pm with me if needs be.
Fiagai I have never said that I do not hunt as well you know!!! I simply do not ride horses. You claimed that you reported me for being untruthfull on this forum to the moderator, yet happily lie about me. Rather two faced if you dont mind me saying
Fiagai
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Once again BFs irrelevant reply below simply verifies the statement above....
This really is hillarious BF! re: "lie/untruthfull"? I seriously dont believe you know what this means. You accused Alec Swann and myself as being the one and same poster and harassing you. An accusation which was a blatant attack on two genuine Forum members. Thats why you were reported, nothing else .
So you never said that you do not hunt? Would you like to think about that? Now before we get into semantics we are talking here about mounted fox hunting - you posted the following reply in the thread "A question from a Binkle comment "
In your profile you list your Interests as Interests
Ok so you dont ride horses, dont hunt on a horse yet you like riding! What do do ride then? Elephants? Oh I get it - you go tiger hunting tigers on elephants with a shotgun...I'm glad thats cleared up anyway!
Btw what is a "Soletry Post"? and I have no intention of pm'ing you as I am quite aware of your agenda there.
You have been exposed for what you clearly are...
A fraud, a troll and a troublemaker.
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Fiagai
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Oh and I forgot....
Please answer the original question...
Where are you getting your information from?
Please answer the original question...
Where are you getting your information from?
rosie fronfelen
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I say BF is nothing more than a sab with its own agenda.
Binkle&Flip
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"Fiagai I have never said that I do not hunt as well you know!!! I simply do not ride horses" TO DO SO!
I really cannot be bothered to be so carefull about writing in a manner that suits you. You know full well what I meant
"Please answer the original question...
Where are you getting your information from?"
From friends who work for the hunts, terriermen, followers.
I really cannot be bothered to be so carefull about writing in a manner that suits you. You know full well what I meant
"Please answer the original question...
Where are you getting your information from?"
From friends who work for the hunts, terriermen, followers.
Binkle&Flip
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I really couldnt care less what you think my dear. I havent seen you add anything to these discussions so far other than name calling!
EAST KENT
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I don`t believe a word of that,like Rosie we believe we have you sussed. However,as Alec firstly suggested a suitable home for troublesome rabbits is indeed Coventry.Goodbye.
Binkle&Flip
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Bye EAST KENT, have fun in the asylum Rosie appears to be taking charge of.
Love B&F from Coventry x x
rosie fronfelen
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I have no intention to partake in discussions, what is the point- the hunters on here know me so why chat to a knowall, know nothing?
rosie fronfelen
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coventry? what hunts are in Coventry?I thought you were west country?
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JanetGeorge
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It would appear that even some of the hunt supporters here don't know much about the Ward Union - or 'hunting the carted stag' - which was going on until the Greens pushed a ban through last year. The Ward Union still maintains its infrastructure, it's magnificent herd of deer, and its knackery service and social events while working to get the ban lifted.
See http://www.wardunionhunt.ie/News.html
It seems unlikely that the two deer in the trailer were being 'carted' for hunting (you only need one, and it is impossible to have a stag hunt on the qt - OR by accident!!
See http://www.wardunionhunt.ie/News.html
It seems unlikely that the two deer in the trailer were being 'carted' for hunting (you only need one, and it is impossible to have a stag hunt on the qt - OR by accident!!
Binkle&Flip
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rosie fronfelen
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And you think I post nonsense
YES--its all you ever do and to try to outwit Janet George with your trash is a damn insult.
MerrySherryRider
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Incorrect. Indeed there is.
I find it quite disturbing that so many of you have no interest in BBC reports, past and present that produce filmed reports and possible evidence of cruelty.
Surely,hunting can not be the only sport in the world that has no rogues and wrongdoers ?
Thank goodness you guys aren't in charge of drug testing in horse racing.
Fiagai
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Incorrect. Indeed there is.
I find it quite disturbing that so many of you have no interest in BBC reports, past and present that produce filmed reports and possible evidence of cruelty.
Surely,hunting can not be the only sport in the world that has no rogues and wrongdoers ?
Thank goodness you guys aren't in charge of drug testing in horse racing.
Really? Of course the media always portrays the absolute truth....
Do please enlighten us ignorant ones and the name of the hunt in question is?
MerrySherryRider
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Do you really know so little about the sport you seem to be so interested in ? Oh dear...
With regard to the point that only one stag is hunted, that is quite so, but 2 are often carted, the second one as a spare.
I am not up for debate about the rights and wrongs of stag hunting, I do feel rather irked by the failure to discuss the actual report. Extremism of any kind is off putting, particularly when on any incident where hunts may have got it wrong, you blindly fail to look for the truth, which is not in the interests of the sport.