More revelations on AHAR

Chocolate moonbeam said:
I make no apologies for preferring to see animals in happy homes than at the bottom of a river somewhere.

Sorry if that offends you but it's just the way I am.
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Chocolate moonbeam said:
I make no apologies for preferring to see animals in happy homes than at the bottom of a river somewhere.

Sorry if that offends you but it's just the way I am.
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grand, if you're someone who considers a 'happy home' to be a horse hobbling in agony because it's not getting adequate care, then i don't think we will ever be on the same page. I sleep at night knowing all my horses have correct care and that i haven't given money to puppy farmers. But if you are happy to live in a bubble where you feeling like you are a saint for saving one puppy but causing two more to take it's place then fine. best of luck with that
 
I think my main point is that just because people don't agree with the practices of this rescue, how it functions etc doesn't mean they are against any sort of rescue and rehab.

But personally I don't have much issue with dead animals, in a river or otherwise, dead animals don't hurt. It is the ones actively suffering that I worry about and when rescues seem to not be doing their job to prevent that happening to the animals already in their care it doesn't seem like there is much hope for the rest.
 
paddi22 said:
grand, if you're someone who considers a 'happy home' to be a horse hobbling in agony because it's not getting adequate care, then i don't think we will ever be on the same page. I sleep at night knowing all my horses have correct care and that i haven't given money to puppy farmers. But if you are happy to live in a bubble where you feeling like you are a saint for saving one puppy but causing two more to take it's place then fine. best of luck with that
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+1 here.
 
ester said:
I think my main point is that just because people don't agree with the practices of this rescue, how it functions etc doesn't mean they are against any sort of rescue and rehab.

But personally I don't have much issue with dead animals, in a river or otherwise, dead animals don't hurt. It is the ones actively suffering that I worry about and when rescues seem to not be doing their job to prevent that happening to the animals already in their care it doesn't seem like there is much hope for the rest.
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the latter part might not be worded too well. I do have an issue with dead animals in a river.because I know they have suffered beforehand.it makes me want to put their 'owner' there instead
 
Mince Pie said:
May I ask how old you are? You do come across as very naive, looking at the short term picture, rather than the long term.
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No, I would love nothing more than to see puppy farmers gone, no more abused and neglected equines, animals neutered appropriately, the need for animal rescue centres to be gone but I can't see that happening for a long, long time.

It's all well and good looking at the long term, but it's the animals in the here and now who need help too.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
No, I would love nothing more than to see puppy farmers gone, no more abused and neglected equines, animals neutered appropriately, the need for animal rescue centres to be gone but I can't see that happening for a long, long time.

It's all well and good looking at the long term, but it's the animals in the here and now who need help too.
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with this I think we can all agree. It is just the way of helping ahar provides that is totally and utterly backwards
 
Mollylittle said:
the latter part might not be worded too well. I do have an issue with dead animals in a river.because I know they have suffered beforehand.it makes me want to put their 'owner' there instead
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Yes I do mean once they are dead, apart from the contamination issues obviously ;), but I don't worry about them once they are dead, I don't expect everyone else to think the same on that though and I have simplified it a bit.

Of course the other part of that post was 'seeing animals in happy homes' which again we don't know if that is the case if they go through AHAR because AHAR don't ever seem to know themselves.

The question is also what funds are best spent on, saving those in the short term in the way that AHAR does does nothing to shorten the time to get to the situation we would all like to see of no puppy farmers etc.
 
Mollylittle said:
with this I think we can all agree. It is just the way of helping ahar provides that is totally and utterly backwards
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At least they are doing something.

Are they perfect, no, I doubt even the largest animal rescue operations are perfect, but doing something is a whole lot better than doing nothing at all.
 
ester said:
Yes I do mean once they are dead, apart from the contamination issues obviously ;), but I don't worry about them once they are dead, I don't expect everyone else to think the same on that though and I have simplified it a bit.

Of course the other part of that post was 'seeing animals in happy homes' which again we don't know if that is the case if they go through AHAR because AHAR don't ever seem to know themselves.
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So all the photos they put up of animals in new homes are all a load of made up bull then?
 
ester said:
Yes I do mean once they are dead, apart from the contamination issues obviously ;), but I don't worry about them once they are dead, I don't expect everyone else to think the same on that though and I have simplified it a bit.

Of course the other part of that post was 'seeing animals in happy homes' which again we don't know if that is the case if they go through AHAR because AHAR don't ever seem to know themselves.

The question is also what funds are best spent on, saving those in the short term in the way that AHAR does does nothing to shorten the time to get to the situation we would all like to see of no puppy farmers etc.
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Lol. agreed than.
 
I thought we had already established they don't know where they all are? Or has a list now been generated? Of course I am sure some end up in nice homes, I suspect some end up in some not so nice homes too or get passed on but AHAR wouldn't know about them.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
At least they are doing something.

Are they perfect, no, I doubt even the largest animal rescue operations are perfect, but doing something is a whole lot better than doing nothing at all.
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doing something? Like actually trimming Hero's hooves regularly to go back to the point of this thread?
 
ester said:
I thought we had already established they don't know where they all are? Or has a list now been generated? Of course I am sure some end up in nice homes, I suspect some end up in some not so nice homes too or get passed on but AHAR wouldn't know about them.
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Who said they don't know where they all are. Knowing where they all went to is not the same as being on the phone to the new homes every 5 minutes asking about the animals and passing the information onto previous owners.
 
Mollylittle said:
ever heard of the top of the iceberg? Thats what those animals are.I'm deeply concerned about any under the visible line
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Please tell me, what laws are there in place that state animal rescue centres must put up photographs of every single animal they've ever had come in, gone out and in their new homes.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Who said they don't know where they all are. Knowing where they all went to is not the same as being on the phone to the new homes every 5 minutes asking about the animals and passing the information onto previous owners.
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well, given the fact that they haven't told us, and given the fact that they actually put the same husky up for adoption 3 month apart with a different name is quite ehmm..revealing wouldn't you think? They have no clu
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Who said they don't know where they all are. Knowing where they all went to is not the same as being on the phone to the new homes every 5 minutes asking about the animals and passing the information onto previous owners.
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waaaiiit a second. a few posts back you said how on earth was a charity to keep track of them? at least be consistent in your madness!
 
paddi22 said:
waaaiiit a second. a few posts back you said how on earth was a charity to keep track of them? at least be consistent in your madness!
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People move, change phone numbers etc. Things out of a charities control. When a centre has rehomed thousands of animals such as Battersea and the RSPCA do every year please tell me how they are going to keep track of them?

I rehomed a puppy from the RSPCA, they never once called, sent any correspondence relating to him from the day we took him home to the day he died.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
People move, change phone numbers etc. Things out of a charities control. When a centre has rehomed thousands of animals such as Battersea and the RSPCA do every year please tell me how they are going to keep track of them?

I rehomed a puppy from the RSPCA, they never once called, sent any correspondence relating to him from the day we took him home to the day he died.
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weren't you going to ask them directly? what did they say?
 
they have no system for keeping track of the animals. ON THEIR OWN rehoming page they have a rehomer who thought she was getting a mare and then ended up with a gelding. How does that happen? It happens when noone has a clue what is going on or how to run a place properly. They obviously didn't discuss the horse with her, or discuss what she was expecting. How are you told to expect a mare and then a gelding shows up. And this is ON THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS page
 
Blurr said:
paddi22's suggestions are good. One thing is for sure, paying for animals to rescue them will not work. It perpetuates the problem by creating a market. The BHS wrote a very good article on this a while ago.
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I never said they weren't good, but they don't help the animals in need right now.
 
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