More revelations on AHAR

stormox said:
They were definately at Puck the day before, buying. Im not sure they went to knocknagoshel though, it isnt as big as Puck so there probably wouldnt have been much there until the actual day, and Kenmare was the day before and they had a buying spree there. All in all I bet they bought about 50 animals at those 3 fairs....
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oh I did mean they had been to puck the day before. Essentially plenty of opportunity to take their own fair photos....
 
Sorry if it's been mentioned, but these fairs are obviously a regular event. Why do the police and welfare bods not target them?
And everybody and their dog has a mobile phone these days, why not film them and their vehicles?
 
Regandal said:
Sorry if it's been mentioned, but these fairs are obviously a regular event. Why do the police and welfare bods not target them?
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In England there is Stow, Appleby, Barnet, Watton etc, which are the same kind of thing as Puck, Ballinasloe etc in Ireland. Its a very small minority of people who actually abuse, or are cruel to animals at these fairs, usually the same people that have coloured cobs and breed them indiscriminately, tethering them on ragwort infested fields and along embankments. They do have gards there but they seem to be frightened of these kind of people and dont like to do anything for fear of backlash. Its like that in UK too, a friend of mine had some valuable gun dogs stolen, the police knew where they were (traveller site) but wouldnt do anything. In the end she made them too hot to handle by plasteriing them all over FB and they were dumped, and she got them back.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Depends where the photo came from and if it's fair use or not. If it's copywrite you have a point, if not then what are you complaining about.
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But it's not fair use! If you take a photo of a well run fair, and use it to raise money for a different fair which isn't well run then you are insinuating that the original fair allows abuse to take place. That sort of thing on the mainland is called Defamation of Character, or libel and is actually illegal!
 
Does chocolate moonbeam not have a charity to run? Id have thought donations would be better being used on the animals rather than internet data.
 
Mince Pie said:
But it's not fair use! If you take a photo of a well run fair, and use it to raise money for a different fair which isn't well run then you are insinuating that the original fair allows abuse to take place. That sort of thing on the mainland is called Defamation of Character, or libel and is actually illegal!
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and as I showed, it is copywrite, so you did have a point ;)
 
Chocolate Moonbeam, can you please explain how it can ever be in the interests of horses welfare for a horse rescue charity to pay money for the horses they claim to rescue?
 
After reading through the whole thread and almost losing the will to live with certain confectionary related posters I thought I'd throw my two penneth in.

One of our liveries enquired about rehoming a named equine from the charity in question. The response he got was we can drop one off for X amount, where are you ? What size do you want? When he queried what their assessments were for behaviour etc all went quiet and no more responses from them. His sister in law agreed to rehome two young geldings one of which turned out to be a rig, the other a colt. She kept them but neither was what she was quite expecting.

From what I've read on various places there are certainly huge elements for concern and it comes across that the rescue is rather a misguided hoarder who likes the attention from saving animals and being called a hero. Reminds me a little of a lady down the road whoo had munchausens and there was always a drama for attention.

I've never visited but think I would like to. Unannounced, with a small secret camera and have a hell of a good explore. If theres nothing wrong then why the camera ban?
 
So if your rehoming a horse you would go see the animal and spend time with it. Be home checked and that continues throughout the loan. Also if that person's circumstances change (as per the agreement) they take the horse back or rehome it, as it is always under that charity's care and the charity legally own it so you cannot sell it on. Also they should help if the horse does not settle in or has behavioural problems. If this is not their policy think long and hard about rehoming one of their animals, are you buying it from them?

If your buying animals through a charity what documents do you get to sign. Are they selling them to you? What happens if the horse has behavioural problems?
 
Exactly WHW at leasts check every year as do plenty of others. They also know a lot about each animal and several are very good at either keeping youngsters and getting them backed, certainly doing work with them first, or making sure they go to homes that will do this with them because it helps secure their future if they are a useful and polite member of society I don't see AHAR doing any of the above, particularly if they can't even geld before dropping horses off. That is just appalling.

RSPCA does sign them fully over which I don't agree with though, but then I don't agree with them a fair amount anyway.
 
Ddraig_wen said:
After reading through the whole thread and almost losing the will to live with certain confectionary related posters I thought I'd throw my two penneth in.

One of our liveries enquired about rehoming a named equine from the charity in question. The response he got was we can drop one off for X amount, where are you ? What size do you want? When he queried what their assessments were for behaviour etc all went quiet and no more responses from them. His sister in law agreed to rehome two young geldings one of which turned out to be a rig, the other a colt. She kept them but neither was what she was quite expecting.

From what I've read on various places there are certainly huge elements for concern and it comes across that the rescue is rather a misguided hoarder who likes the attention from saving animals and being called a hero. Reminds me a little of a lady down the road whoo had munchausens and there was always a drama for attention.

I've never visited but think I would like to. Unannounced, with a small secret camera and have a hell of a good explore. If theres nothing wrong then why the camera ban?
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Would be interested to know were Passports mentioned at all in the initial enquiry and the two youngsters that were imported did they arrive with a Passport?
 
After reading this thread I am losing the will with the ignorance of a particular poster!! Everything I have read about this 'charity' throws up warning signals. Not being able to deliver the right animal is an absolute disgrace. I used to volunteer at a small equine charity and they would NEVER rehome to anyone they didn't deem competent and before they have vetted the home the animal was going to! The animal is also always under their care is not signed over.
Even though the RSPCA do sign their animals over, we got a dog from them a few years ago and we were rigorously vetted and our home checked to make sure we were suitable.
Never in a million years have I heard of a 'charity' just turning up and dumping animals on anyone who says they will take one.
And a charity going and buying its own 'rescue' animals is ridiculous.

A disgrace.
 
I actually know traders here in Ireland who will sell you a horse but insist on bringing the horse to your place.(included in selling price). I know on 2 occasions that trader saw the new 'home' dumped the money and left with the horse in question. I love that. AHAR is a kip.
 
puppyalert said:
How recent was that, any idea such as year?
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It was 3 years ago she adopted him, she kept him a 18 months, gelded and broke him and sold him, he turned out a lovely childs pony. He was meant to be-according to their post on the adoption page - a 14.2 4yr gelding, he was actually a 13hh 2yr old colt.
 
There was an awful dealer round these parts a few years ago. They couldn't get them on welfare grounds, but the inland revenue suddenly took a keen interest. They folded eventually.
 
equi said:
And presumably most will be sold without passports and disappear.
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I don't think so, horses are required to have a passport and microchip here. I am in the process of adopting a dog from AHAR, and so far I've had to provide references from my own vet, pictures of enclosed garden, donation (direct to the vet that will be doing the neutering, microchipping and vaccs), and a copy of previous home check from a local rescue. This is required by the government, and their charitable status depends on compliance. Now, I think this is a recent tightening up of regulations, but it IS happening.
 
I think a lot of people have nailed exactly what she's all about.

I haven't read the while thread admittably, but from what I have, they sound a disgrace. Yet, I have no clue how you'd take them out.

I think it could be even more corrupt than some people are thinking. Could they be the "meat man" themselves - taking the occasional few out to look like rescues ? Probably haven't explained that very well, but oh well.

Certainly not a charity IMO. Are they definitely a licensed charity?
 
Yes, they are a charity. I think all the conspiracy theories are getting a little wild here; it is rather ramshackle, in an out of the way place with not a lot in the way of "official" animal welfare. I don't like the sentimental waffling on FB, but that seems to generate donations and without donations it isn't possible to run an animal rescue. It's not how I would run a rescue (buying from the meat man, etc.), but then I'm not running a rescue - at least they are providing something for animals which otherwise would have pretty much NOTHING and NOWHERE to go to. This isn't the UK.
 
Cortez said:
I don't think so, horses are required to have a passport and microchip here. I am in the process of adopting a dog from AHAR, and so far I've had to provide references from my own vet, pictures of enclosed garden, donation (direct to the vet that will be doing the neutering, microchipping and vaccs), and a copy of previous home check from a local rescue. This is required by the government, and their charitable status depends on compliance. Now, I think this is a recent tightening up of regulations, but it IS happening.
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Well that is wonderful to hear. The horses of the future will hopefully not be just gone like the horses of the past.
 
equi said:
And presumably most will be sold without passports and disappear.
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but they might get given to people as the right sex at least....

It's great they do it of the dogs, shame that so far they have not done it for the horses- chip/passport/castrate.
 
Well an update on Hero would be nice, she hasnt been mentioned lately which is strange as they had a huge fundraiser for her initially and no one from Ahar has explained how her feet were allowed to deteriorate to the extent that they did.
 
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