More revelations on AHAR

Mollylittle said:
ow rubbish.Every single charity I ever worked with could tell me years after they rehomed an animal how it was doing.And if they didn't know straight away they would find out and respond.Problem with AHAR is that they don't even like you asking. Again, circular argument, not relevant to Hero and it is quite obvious to me that some people are simply too stupid to accept that soemthing is wrong when it's blatantly obvious to see for anyone with at least 1 braincell.
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Some charities rehome hundreds of animals every year, are you seriously trying to tell me they keep tabs on every single one of them.

Somehow, I very much doubt it.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Some charities rehome hundreds of animals every year, are you seriously trying to tell me they keep tabs on every single one of them.
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YES. There's an amazing software programme called excel. You should try it. It's a modern miracle. You type in a line for every horse with its name, microchip number and contact details for the new owner. I know it sounds like something space age and too futuristic but we live in a wonderful, modern world. Then when the old owners make contact, this miraculous piece of software lets you find details for the horses new owners. Who (because they aren't dodgy and understand basic horse care) are perfectly happy to show off how much they love their horse and how well cared for it is. What's amazing about the piece of software is that you can keep adding lines to it, so you don't have to memorise every single new owner. I believe if people want to do it the old fashioned way there is also ledger books and pens that do the same job.

Loads of the charities actually care and remember about each horse. The also encourage people to do updates on facebook.

The only charities that don't do this are the ones that have something to hide. Otherwise, why wouldn't they?
 
paddi22 said:
YES. There's an amazing software programme called excel. You should try it. It's a modern miracle. You type in a line for every horse with its name, microchip number and contact details for the new owner. I know it sounds like something space age and too futuristic but we live in a wonderful, modern world. Then when the old owners make contact, this miraculous piece of software lets you find details for the horses new owners. Who (because they aren't dodgy and understand basic horse care) are perfectly happy to show off how much they love their horse and how well cared for it is. What's amazing about the piece of software is that you can keep adding lines to it, so you don't have to memorise every single new owner. I believe if people want to do it the old fashioned way there is also ledger books and pens that do the same job.

Loads of the charities actually care and remember about each horse. The also encourage people to do updates on facebook.

The only charities that don't do this are the ones that have something to hide. Otherwise, why wouldn't they?
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Now that made me laugh. You are so right!!!
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
You don't think they make stuff up?

Diggers going in and finding carcasses? Accusations of being a horse dealer, scamming, defrauding donators, bribing the DOA, dead horses on the land and that's just a few things all posted with absolutely no proof to back them up.
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If you are buying animals at fairs and rehoming them for a fee that's pretty close to dealing in my book. Buying animals certainly isn't rescue.

I don't find someone signing their horses over to a rescue odd at all, it happens fairly frequently if you can find someone to take them because you supposedly completely secure their future.
I find it more odd that someone can think that Hero hasn't deteriorated under AHAR's care and that their explanations for things are the truth when the evidence says otherwise.
 
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I've never been to AHAR, never even heard of them before I read this thread. But it's quite obvious from the pictures and videos that the pony is in a worse state now than it was one year ago.

The shoes may indeed only have been removed two months ago. But if that's the case, they were clearly left on far too long and no attempt at trimming was made at that time.

As long as there are well meaning uninformed people willing to give money to ersatz charities, there will be people with a saint complex and/or eye for a fast buck all too willing to take advantage of them.
 
Mollylittle said:
They are a registered charity but their accounts are not made publicly available.YTou'll find some info here:

https://www.charitiesregulatoryauthority.ie/en/CRA/Charity/BB6FA61E4DADE8AD8025800B003B0E29

however the figures given by the CRA are not audited.they simply fill in what the chartity tells them
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A registered must legally publish accounts every year...
By law, every charity must prepare a set of accounts. Registered charities must prepare a Trustees’ Annual Report, a set of accounts, and an Annual Return.

The aim of accounts and reports is to provide a clear picture of your charity’s activities and financial position. The Trustees’ Annual Report is also an opportunity to describe your work to the public and to funding bodies. Although these requirements may seem rather onerous to a small charity, they do require you to define your aims and activities clearly and to manage your finances well, both of which help to ensure that your organisation is more effective.
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http://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/charity-reporting-and-accounts/

http://www.wheel.ie/content/financial-reporting-charities

Financial Reporting Standards for Charities – Current Requirements (June 2016)

All registered charities are required to complete an annual return to the CRA, by 10 months after the financial year end. This is an online process and includes:

Providing details of your charity's activities during the reporting period
Providing income and expenditure information about your charity
Uploading accounts and reports as pdfs for the period
Making a declaration that your charity's details are up to date and your annual return is complete.
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I'd be very interested to see the accounts, and I would like to know why she is not publishing them. Chocolate-wotsit, perhaps you can enlighten us?
 
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Mince Pie said:
A registered must legally publish accounts every year...


http://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/charity-reporting-and-accounts/

http://www.wheel.ie/content/financial-reporting-charities



I'd be very interested to see the accounts, and I would like to know why she is not publishing them. Chocolate-wotsit, perhaps you can enlighten us?
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That is correct.However,the detailed accounts are never published unless the charity has also incorporated as a business in which case the accounts can be pulled from the CRO or it is over the 10k income bracket.(company registration office).As you can see in my link, AHAR has staid officially within the lower that 10k income bracket, and, as such, the requirement to publish detailed accounts becomes non-existent.Nicely plaid.
 
yep, the amount of life saving operations they do would have to be over 10K. Is there anyway of tracking donations?
 
Mollylittle said:
That is correct.However,the detailed accounts are never published unless the charity has also incorporated as a business in which case the accounts can be pulled from the CRO or it is over the 10k income bracket.(company registration office).As you can see in my link, AHAR has staid officially within the lower that 10k income bracket, and, as such, the requirement to publish detailed accounts becomes non-existent.Nicely plaid.
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A charity with a Gross Annual income of less than €10,000 is required to complete the financial information section. It is optional for a charity in this income bracket to submit a profit and loss account (or income and expenditure account and statement of assets and liabilities) for the reporting period.
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I can't seem to find these details?

ETA: Just found this on the CRA link posted above, declared funds are a hell of a lot more than €10k!!

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paddi22 said:
yep, the amount of life saving operations they do would have to be over 10K. Is there anyway of tracking donations?
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no, not for an outsider although I have seen bankstatements at some point in time and the money coming in was flabbergasting.No idea how the bankstatements were obtained, there was a huge uproar about it.i still might have some of them.
Re the 10k - the statement says : profit. So, for a non financial person: That is the difference between income and expenditure. Ahar stated this:
Gross income in reporting period as supplied by the charity: €287,625
Total expenditure in reporting period as supplied by the charity: €292,215

As such, they are making a net loss of 4,590 euro.
 
Mince Pie said:
A registered must legally publish accounts every year...


http://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/charity-reporting-and-accounts/

http://www.wheel.ie/content/financial-reporting-charities



I'd be very interested to see the accounts, and I would like to know why she is not publishing them. Chocolate-wotsit, perhaps you can enlighten us?
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You've seen the accounts and as far as I am aware no charity has to provide detailed accounts to anyone but the authority they are registered with.

As you will have seen from what you found the accounts did have to be audited and there is no reason or evidence to suggest they weren't.
 
Mollylittle said:
no, not for an outsider although I have seen bankstatements at some point in time and the money coming in was flabbergasting.No idea how the bankstatements were obtained, there was a huge uproar about it.i still might have some of them.
Re the 10k - the statement says : profit. So, for a non financial person: That is the difference between income and expenditure. Ahar stated this:
Gross income in reporting period as supplied by the charity: €287,625
Total expenditure in reporting period as supplied by the charity: €292,215

As such, they are making a net loss of 4,590 euro.
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Would that be the one's that were stolen by a volunteer and then put online?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Companies registration office?

Yeah, they may be a rescue but from this it appears they also operate as a business of which AHAR is not.

Different strokes and all that.
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exactly my point. I have no problems if a rescue operates as a business - as long as no animal suffers as a result and and the charitative objectives of the business are achieved. AHAR does neither. And they know exactly how to remain under the veil of obscurity, getting away with murder - literally.
 
And as I said earlier purchasing animals and rehoming them for a fee sounds much more like a business than the ISPCA or dogs trust to me.
 
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