More ulcer questions, sorry. Feed this time.

[Louby]

Ive always fed high fibre and low starch as I have to be careful with my very sensitive mare. Even feeds like Fast fibre and speedibeet, Pink Mash made her like she was on drugs! Certain supplements have made her loopy so I try to be very careful and tbh her feed has always been a token gesture. She loves her high Fibre cubes but after watching the Saracens/Vet link kindly posted on my last post, the vet suggested that a mix was better than a cube. Obviously Saracen feeds were mentioned ie Releve and Shape up but my vet also recommended Releve and gave me a sample.
At the mo she will not eat any type of chaff, Ive tried a few, so maybe its something to do with the ulcers, so Ive been soaking the high fibre cubes as she loves them and to get the Sufralcate in her.
My question is has Releve sent your horses loopy as it says its medium energy and how come its recommended when it has mollasses and soya in it? Or any other palatable ulcer friendly non heating feeds please?

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I have never used any of Saracen's feeds but I do make a point of not using feeds recommended by the company that makes them.

 

[tallyho!]

I have never used any of Saracen's feeds but I do make a point of not using feeds recommended by the company that makes them.

That’s the whole point of a company though, right?

I get it though I always take everything with a pinch of salt but sometimes they’re right. As long as you know in your head what you want from a feed. I still think an independent nutristionisy is the way to go though with horses.

Couldn’t believe it when my friend said TopSpec had been and recommended a feed for her 30yo horse who is “too skinny”... recommended a heating feed for an already whizzy mare. Then got the squits.

 

[Louby]

I have never used any of Saracen's feeds but I do make a point of not using feeds recommended by the company that makes them.

Im the same but was interested as this was what my vet recommended too. I just have to be careful not to blow her brains.

 

[tallyho!]

I think you’re alright with Saracens to be honest though still check feed label. Their nutritionist is world reknowned in US. There it’s known as KER feeds I think. Lots of soya so watch out if intolerant.

 

[Louby]

I think you’re alright with Saracens to be honest though still check feed label. Their nutritionist is world reknowned in US. There it’s known as KER feeds I think. Lots of soya so watch out if intolerant.

Thanks for the info, hmmm, maybe a wide berth with the Soya as just read Pink Mash is Soya based and I wouldnt have got on her when we tried that, everything was green monsters, flying pigs etc lol!!

 

[tallyho!]

Thanks for the info, hmmm, maybe a wide berth with the Soya as just read Pink Mash is Soya based and I wouldnt have got on her when we tried that, everything was green monsters, flying pigs etc lol!!

Yes, exactly! You do have to watch what's working... check every ingredient. I avoided soya for years, going back to straights for a long time. Then found out it was the only protein my PSSM mare did very well on. Odd. Very odd but like they always say "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!" - done that many a time on this forum I tell you!

 

[ycbm]

Releve has alfalfa in. Just 100g of it sends my horse loopy!

 

[Tiddlypom]

Pink mash made my hind gut acidosis mare very reactive. It turns out that she is reactive to micronised linseed which is in it, but she may also be reactive to some of its other ingredients, such as soya.

IMHO pink mash is much over hyped as being good for horses with hind gut issues. The other two mares fared better once I stopped feeding them pink mash, too.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

That’s the whole point of a company though, right?

I get it though I always take everything with a pinch of salt but sometimes they’re right. As long as you know in your head what you want from a feed. I still think an independent nutristionisy is the way to go though with horses.

Couldn’t believe it when my friend said TopSpec had been and recommended a feed for her 30yo horse who is “too skinny”... recommended a heating feed for an already whizzy mare. Then got the squits.

I think you rather proved my point!

 

[Louby]

Thanks all, Im new to all this and its so difficult, so much conflicting advice out there, not on here btw Ive already 2 bags of chaff sat there which she wont touch, she used to love Thunderbrooks but I fell out with their Customer Service, or lack of, may have to eat humble pie lol!! I just want a non heating, ulcer friendly feed to get her meds down her and so she has a bucket feed. Seen Agrobs Mash and other TB feeds mentioned but its a minefield. She loves high fibre cubes, are they really that bad??

 

[Louby]

Pink mash made my hind gut acidosis mare very reactive. It turns out that she is reactive to micronised linseed which is in it, but she may also be reactive to some of its other ingredients, such as soya.

IMHO pink mash is much over hyped as being good for horses with hind gut issues. The other two mares fared better once I stopped feeding them pink mash, too.

Interesting as it really sent my horse doolally!! Prior to scoping I bought Protexin just to see if I seen any improvement as I was umming and ahhing about ulcers or hormones and that had the same effect, she was dangerous in the field, running at us, bucking, head snaking etc, stopped it and 2 days later she was back to normal

 

[ycbm]

Have you tried grass nuts? 100g soaked produces a nice volume to hide meds in and they smell quite strong too.


Though I don't think there anything wrong with soaked high fibre cubes, either.

 

[DabDab]

Pink mash wasn't great for my mare with tricky digestion either, not really sure why as others do well on it, including my other two, but since it was her I bought it for I switched away.

Alfalfa also not good for mine. Releve is something that most horses like so the vet might have recommended it purely because she was getting fussy with eating.

Mine is fine with speedibeet and grass chaffs, mashes and cubes, and copra.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Thanks all, Im new to all this and its so difficult, so much conflicting advice out there, not on here btw Ive already 2 bags of chaff sat there which she wont touch, she used to love Thunderbrooks but I fell out with their Customer Service, or lack of, may have to eat humble pie lol!! I just want a non heating, ulcer friendly feed to get her meds down her and so she has a bucket feed. Seen Agrobs Mash and other TB feeds mentioned but its a minefield. She loves high fibre cubes, are they really that bad??

Ours love the Agrobs haycobs, which can be made into a mash. We can't feed their muesli because of the carrots. We have always been able to feed soaked grassnuts and dried grass chaff. I prefer Emerald Green , these days because their grass isn't ryegrass.

 

[Louby]

Ours love the Agrobs haycobs, which can be made into a mash. We can't feed their muesli because of the carrots. We have always been able to feed soaked grassnuts and dried grass chaff. I prefer Emerald Green , these days because their grass isn't ryegrass.

Arent they allowed carrots? Im only asking as my mare went off carrots too! Sorry if its a stupid question, I realise carrots are supposed to be full of natural sugar but odd she went off them, like the chaff

 

[Louby]

Have you tried grass nuts? 100g soaked produces a nice volume to hide meds in and they smell quite strong too.


Though I don't think there anything wrong with soaked high fibre cubes, either.

Grass nuts, hadnt thought of them, thank you. Id stick with the hi fibre cubes, just reading they shouldnt have mollasses, soya and practically anything other than natural, so thought Id try and get sorted now for when shes off the Gastrogard, in a bid to keep the ulcers away.

 

[ycbm]

I can't get Emerald Green but I have Northern Crop Driers now and they seem much nicer than the Dengie, which are pure ryegrass.

 

[ycbm]

If you want to stop ulcers coming back i couldn't recommend 25ml a day of aloe vera juice any more strongly. It has been clinically tested and shown to be effective, and is very cheap.,

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Arent they allowed carrots? Im only asking as my mare went off carrots too! Sorry if its a stupid question, I realise carrots are supposed to be full of natural sugar but odd she went off them, like the chaff

We have had a couple who were turned absolutely by carrots - one of them is still with us.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

If you want to stop ulcers coming back i couldn't recommend 25ml a day of aloe vera juice any more strongly. It has been clinically tested and shown to be effective, and is very cheap.,

I would get the diet sorted out before even beginning to think about involving the vet and all the expense that will involve.

 

[Louby]

I would get the diet sorted out before even beginning to think about involving the vet and all the expense that will involve.

Too late Im afraid, she was scoped last week. Excuse the lack of terminology as so much was said but grade 2 in the first part of the stomach and a couple of grade 3/4 further on. Shes on GG and Sufralcate and to be rescoped in a month. Im just trying to sort everything out now so we can hopefully get and keep her ulcer free. She wont eat any chaff, not always been like that, but she loves the fibre cubes but they have mollasses and soya in them so Im trying to get an ulcer friendly diet now

 

[Louby]

If you want to stop ulcers coming back i couldn't recommend 25ml a day of aloe vera juice any more strongly. It has been clinically tested and shown to be effective, and is very cheap.,

Is there a particular one you recommend please?

 

[ycbm]

Is there a particular one you recommend please?

Any of the ones on ebay in 5 litre bottles sold for horses to be put in feed that are pure aloe juice. .

 

[tallyho!]

I think you rather proved my point!

Glad I could be of service ?