Morgan Barbancon

[LEC]

Oh dear….

30 grooms dénoncent une cavalière internationale pour maltraitance

Il y a quelques jours, le Tribunal arbitral du sport inflige une suspension de dix-huit mois à une cavalière professionnelle internationale, qui a ainsi dû dire adieu aux Jeux Olympiques de Paris (…

wildtaina.fr

 

[Ample Prosecco]

She should be imprisoned for animal
cruelty - or at the very least banned from owning any animal for life. Vile, despicable, abuse. This is WAY beyond being ‘harsh’. Illegal treatments, illegal training methods and devices, doping, beating a horse to death. I mean FFS - what does someone have to do to actually get prosecuted or banned for life. What’s wrong with people? Urgghhh

 

[Surbie]

Just no words. Other than I agree - where is the lifetime ban for something this serious?

 

[SEL]

I was reading that thinking lifetime ban, prison sentence.... Not just can't compete for 18 months.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Ok reading about more about this - the 18 month ban is for doping violations. These are new allegations which presumably will now be investigated. It’s not 18 months for the alleged abuses.

Maybe the fact that she got the 18 month ban emboldened the grooms to come forward about everything else x

 

[cauda equina]

Sounds like some modern slavery going on too - theft of employees identity documents preventing them leaving the workplace - which you'd think would warrant far more severe sanctions than simply being suspended from competition

 

[scats]

How do I translate that on my iPad?

 

[humblepie]

Horrendous and imagine there will be investigations from a number of bodies re employment, modern slavery, no doubt taxation and you would hope much more on the equine welfare side.

 

[ycbm]

From that article.

The most disconcerting thing is to understand that in the community, this rider is known for these actions. Isn't it time that corruption, lies, and dubious support stopped in equestrian sports?

I think it's just time to stop all International horse sport if the first sentence is true. Every time we get one of these, and it's three in the last year, we get people saying "oh everyone in the sport knew about that" .
.

 

[Glitter's fun]

Sounds like some modern slavery going on too - theft of employees identity documents preventing them leaving the workplace - which you'd think would warrant far more severe sanctions than simply being suspended from competition

Exactly - surely a police matter?

• "theft of employees' identity documents preventing them from leaving the workplace
• falsification of employment contracts, delay or non-payment
• Harassment and verbal and psychological violence
• Mental manipulation and isolation of employees
• Non-compliance with the Labour Code in terms of leave and working hours"

EDITED - I'm not making light of the animal cruelty but it's probably harder to get a conviction or decent sentence on that unfortunately. They did Al Capone for tax fraud in the end I believe!

 

[splashgirl45]

How can I translate this, my French isn’t that good

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I think if you right click splashgirl45 and then click on Translate it should do the trick.

 

[VRIN]

Olympian, dressage rider - serious abuse allegations

Translated from French: Grooms denounce international rider for abuse A few days ago, the Court of Arbitration for Sport imposed a suspension of eighteen months on an international professional rider, who had to say goodbye to the Olympic Games in Paris (+ information here) . Until then a...

forum.chronofhorse.com

English translation

 

[splashgirl45]

Thanks both

 

[shortstuff99]

Always seemed to be problematic to me, changed nationalities because she wasn't going to make the Spanish team so switched to be French. Paid her way through all the years on ready made horses.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Always seemed to be problematic to me, changed nationalities because she wasn't going to make the Spanish team so switched to be French. Paid her way through all the years on ready made horses.

Born in Paris to a French father and a Spanish mother, so she didn't really switch nationality, just which flag she competed under.

There's a lot more going on that we see in those articles.
For instance: https://horsesport.com/horse-news/french-dressage-rider-out-olympic-contention/

Multiple violations over a period of 12 months; she appealed to the CAS against those judgments resulting in not only the accusations being upheld but the punishment was made more severe. Since then, accusations of various breaches of employment law have surfaced and she is now going to get the book thrown at her.

 

[YourValentine]

Anyone found/seen any other references to this story? Apart from the drug testing issues. I'm sure there is no smoke without a fire, but that's just 1 woman's blog post...

30 grooms dénoncent une cavalière internationale pour maltraitance

Il y a quelques jours, le Tribunal arbitral du sport inflige une suspension de dix-huit mois à une cavalière professionnelle internationale, qui a ainsi dû dire adieu aux Jeux Olympiques de Paris (…

wildtaina.fr

 

[Matafleur]

Anyone found/seen any other references to this story? Apart from the drug testing issues. I'm sure there is no smoke without a fire, but that's just 1 woman's blog post...

30 grooms dénoncent une cavalière internationale pour maltraitance

Il y a quelques jours, le Tribunal arbitral du sport inflige une suspension de dix-huit mois à une cavalière professionnelle internationale, qui a ainsi dû dire adieu aux Jeux Olympiques de Paris (…

wildtaina.fr

I had been expecting to see a lot more circulating about this. I did a search through Facebook, Dressage Hub seem to have jumped on it but Astrid at Euro Dressage won't touch it which makes me wonder... Either there isn't sufficient evidence (yet/at all) that people feel confident in talking about it or things are not quite as they seem.

The missed drug tests have obviously been reported on but nothing else. Maybe we will see more over the coming weeks.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Pammy Hutton shared it which is how I heard about it
- I saw it before it was poste here. But you are right, it's odd there is nothing else...

 

[spacefaer]

On a side note, my translation says "electric collars on ticking horses" what's a ticking horse??
(Thr other mistranslations I can work out eg bellboy for groom)

 

[Beausmate]

On a side note, my translation says "electric collars on ticking horses" what's a ticking horse??
(Thr other mistranslations I can work out eg bellboy for groom)

Weavers maybe?

 

[Keith_Beef]

On a side note, my translation says "electric collars on ticking horses" what's a ticking horse??
(Thr other mistranslations I can work out eg bellboy for groom)

The original French is "Utilisation de colliers électriques sur les chevaux tiquant à l’appui".

The term "tic à l'appui" is described elsewhere as "un tic où le cheval attrape des objets fixes (porte de box, mangeoire, etc.) avec ses incisives et tire en arrière tout en contractant les muscles de son encolure".

That looks to me like "cribbing".

 

[Janique]

No, not weavers, en Français tique à l''appui meaning horse crib bitting.
When a horse kept bitting the door or the drinker and destroying his teeth.

 

[nikicb]

H&H have taken an interesting slant in their reporting of this..... I guess they can only report fact, and then quote what the rider is saying, but perhaps it would have been better just to report the facts about the suspension, and leave it at that, given what else is circulating currently.

French dressage rider to miss Paris Olympics following suspension

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has handed French dressage rider Morgan Barbançon Mestre an 18-month suspension.

www.horseandhound.co.uk

From the rider's FB page.....

https://www.facebook.com/MushuMush/posts/pfbid0ZnHuLLStsRzimh4qQ39ApDuaTpL8e8bowVK8NRmvsBbmGq4oHRxFNbg6VC8SNefgl

 

[ester]

I thought it summarised quite well why 3rd party links are necessary rather than just the H+H version of reporting

 

[nikicb]

I thought it summarised quite well why 3rd party links are necessary rather than just the H+H version of reporting

I think it stated the facts clearly, but the headline came across to me as sympathising with her. I guess it will all come out in the wash somehow, or at least I hope so. There seems to be rather a lot of evidence against her, but we aren't party to the full facts currently.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

H & H comment on this (in the comments under the story)seems reasonable:

When the allegations made have been investigated through the proper channels, and due legal process has been completed, then we will report on the outcome, as we have done with this doping case. At the current time it would be completely inappropriate and legally unsound for us to report on the accusations beyond what we have said in this report. If this individual is found guilty of the things being claimed, then we absolutely will report that once the facts have been confirmed. We do stand up for equine welfare in all areas, regardless of who is involved, but as responsible journalists we would not report on accusations that we have not seen evidence to support. I hope that helps to explain. H&H

I read it initially when Pammy Hutton shared it. I assumed she was a credible source but I agree that wider reporting needs more than 1 person’s allegations presented with no supporting evidence.

Given the recent deletion of a thread with plenty of presented evidence and wider public interest issues, I’m surprised this one has lasted!

 

[LEC]

H & H comment on this (in the comments under the story)seems reasonable:

When the allegations made have been investigated through the proper channels, and due legal process has been completed, then we will report on the outcome, as we have done with this doping case. At the current time it would be completely inappropriate and legally unsound for us to report on the accusations beyond what we have said in this report. If this individual is found guilty of the things being claimed, then we absolutely will report that once the facts have been confirmed. We do stand up for equine welfare in all areas, regardless of who is involved, but as responsible journalists we would not report on accusations that we have not seen evidence to support. I hope that helps to explain. H&H

I read it initially when Pammy Hutton shared it. I assumed she was a credible source but I agree that wider reporting needs more than 1 person’s allegations presented with no supporting evidence.

Given the recent deletion of a thread with plenty of presented evidence and wider public interest issues, I’m surprised this one has lasted!

Why wouldn’t it? Nobody is ranting and raving about the rider, it’s all measured discussion with 3rd party links rather than questionable statements by posters. If the rider is not guilty and it’s without grounds and bearing in mind very rich then they will go after the 3rd party source linked.

 

[ester]

Pammy said in the comments she was busy/hadn't looked at it much further/full translation IIRC

 

[reynold]

This is going similar to Helgstrand. In that case H&H didn't report much (anything ?) until after the filmed documentaries aired on Danish TV.

I hope that in time that reporting will tell us the results of any investigation into what are serious allegations.