"Most horses rear and buck at some point" (?)

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What would people rather be - bucked off or reared off?

Just a thought ?
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I'm similar to Marmite in that in the 20yrs I've been riding horses I've only come off a small number of times. I don't think she said it made her a better rider than those that have fallen off more but just that the old wives tale is just that..an old wives tale!!

Anyway, I think rearing is the ultimate in bad manners and extremely dangerous and would never consider a rearer for a second!! A 'yippee' type buck is ok with me but a 'piss off' buck is a no,no too. I think if a horse does either its trying to tell you something and its not that life is rosey...
 
ahh - this is better conversation - more trivial! hee hee

come on peeps its friday!!!

I would shi* my pants if my horse reared over backwards !!

HHMMM - think I would rather be bucked off !!
 
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give me a rearer anyday [let the slanging commence]

but my personal opinion [not my opinion against or for anyone else] is a bucker can buck from almost any speed but yet a rearer is stationary therefore if you need to bale you can.

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I've always known when something is going to buck or rear (maybe I'm just lucky).
 
Ive only been reared with once... the horse twisted round mid rear and landed on a barbed wire fence, went back up and over... I was very lucky, the only injury sustained was where I got stood on as she got back up (thank god I have fat thighs! She was a 17hh heffer with huuuge feet).
Dont know if I have ever been bucked.... my horse does funny bunny hops or very rare occaisons.....
 
Interesting! My horse bucks in certain circumstances but I usually manage him well enough so it does not happen. But he has bronked before now and stopped when I came off...that was naughty behaviour, nothing else for it and he has done it more than once. But I know he is capable of it and can read the signs beforehand now. He has never ever reared or attempted to...I could not tollerate that at all. Rearing and bolting I would not be keen on at all! That is my limit I guess.
My previous horse nver reared or bucked at all in the 5 years I had him and I cannot remember being bucked with on many of the horses we had at home all those years back. I think bucking is more likely than rearing in most horses though...it is more natural to them than rearing because they have more weight on the front most of the time, so it is easier to lift the back up...if that makes sense!
 
most of us can tell when a horse is going to do either but i have hqad horses buck huge between xc fences with me out of the blue you can tell more when a horse is going to rear.
 
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P_G took a national title but I bet she doesn't think she's 'bloody fab'!

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No, in fact i still dont know how we managed it!!! And now im off to defend it again with Archie next year!!
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P_G, what is/ was your title just out of interest!

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UK's tallest horse and rider combinations.....
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LMAO
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(altho Blossy is a midget compaired to Archie!)
 
I had a dreadful pony delivered for reschooling when I was a kid. She bucked me off about 6 times in 20 mins...... After the first couple of times she also started trying to have a go once she got me off..... That was fun
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Then only being an ok rider I've fallen off bloody hundreds of times
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What would people rather be - bucked off or reared off?

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Im not sure - both mine have gone over backwards with me when rearing, only once each - it wasnt particularly pleasent. The first time i went to get on Archie at my yard he bronked down the arena and i bailed out as i thought he was taking the fence. His bronking can be really unnerving in a warmup situation (people tend to scatter out of my way!).

Tbh i dont think i like coming off either of those ways equally!!
 
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only Petplan Novice Open National Champion - nothing that spectacular!!

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Well done
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anthing at that level is spectacular
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That took some reading! Some interesting views!
I think that there is a massive massive difference between bucking / rearing out of excitement and doing it nastily. And again a massive difference between those prone to do it ("rearers" and "buckers") and those who have occasionally done it (I would not term these "rearers" or "buckers"). I have ridden many horses who have reared and / or bucked but only one rearer and no buckers.
My horse for example (who I have owned since being a baby so I can speak about her whole life) will buck sometimes out hacking (never huge and only out of excitement when cantering). I have never reprimanded for this and I would not call her a bucker.
Very occasionally she will rear, the only circumstance this happens is at the gallops when she wants to go and i'm not letting her. Again, not huge and not nasty, just more of a burst of excitement and then she tries to go. I would not call her a rearer and do not reprimand for this either (as with the bucking, I usually laugh!!), I make her wait to get going though!!
If however she reared / bucked nastily or to get her own way etc I would reprimand and nip the problem in the bud and not laugh it off as I do her excitement (luckily she never has!).
I think some horses are more prone to rear / buck than others, for instance - in the case of P_G's Archie not wanting to leave the others to go to the arena - some horses that don't want to do this would stop and plant themselves, others would spin round and run back to the others etc etc. I don't understand how the rider can be blamed for what their horses chosen rection is?? Yes, it should be dealt with, but in the first instance, when the behaviour first evolves, the rider will not always have caused the horse to choose this particular reaction above all the other choices!

Some rearing is most definately caused by a bad upbringing / bad riding but not always.
Good riding is needed for those who choose to buck / rear in a naughty manner to try to ensure the habbit is broken ASAP but bad ridding didn't necessarily cause it.

Just to add, Spiral, I totally agree with you as to how I judge how good a rider is. Length of time and number of falls is irrelevant!
 
you must really have the patience of a saint your neds really do sound a handful have either of them ever seriously injured you?
 
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Gosh what an "exciting" thread - and all from one simple comment.

For most of my life I have ridden and backed youngsters; I've had a couple of hand-me-down horses but the vast majority have been with me from backing. The couple of older horses I had, one was fantastic, never put in any bucks, rears etc. The other? Well she was a complete nightmare. She was a serial rearer when I got her and in the 16 years I owned her she did become better but was never cured. Her rears were not little dancy-feet ones, they were up and over ones.......and after she died (funnily enough she died rearing) I vowed never ever to take on another rearer. She was a very dangerous horse in the wrong hands which is why I kept her and never sold her on.

I don't know how many youngsters I have backed in my life, but there have been lots and lots, too many to count. I am proficient at my job, I set these horses up to go out into the big wide world and become good members of horse-society.....and that's exactly what they do become.

I would say that 90% of the babies I have worked with have lifted their feet off the ground in the very early stages of being backed.....generally only once and then they never do it again. I am not talking about the height that they lift their feet off the ground here; I've never had a young horse do a full rear, generally young horses will not do this because of their lack of balance, however they may tip-toe - still lifting their feet off the ground in my book. This is normal for youngsters, in my opinion and experience. This generally happens the first time they meet something that they are concerned about - a good trainer will allay their fears and the horse will walk on past - this is what mine do.

I do have the other 10% here, moreso over here to be honest; the horses over here are much more chilled, they are backed earlier than in the UK and I certainly have far more confident horses because of this I believe. None of the young horses I have had over here have ever bucked or reared; so for me this sends out a message that if you back them young, you avoid some of these initial issues.

If I was selling a horse that I had backed and a buyer asked me if it had reared or bucked, I would tell the truth. I wouldn't make it into something that it wasn't, but I also wouldn't not mention it (sorry for the double-negative but it didn't sound right the other way
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If I am selling an older horse who was already backed before I bought it, I would again tell the truth and say that the horse has never bucked or reared with me, if this is the case.

I've been backing horses for about 35 years, I'm an oldie too and I also expect and teach good manners from my horses, and I generally receive it but sometimes with older horses this is not so permanently attainable at the start.

I've fallen off less than one handful of times in my whole life - what does that say about me as a rider? I couldn't give a hoot what it says, but it certainly is not because I wander about on old fat lazy cobs.
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I had a dreadful pony delivered for reschooling when I was a kid. She bucked me off about 6 times in 20 mins...... After the first couple of times she also started trying to have a go once she got me off..... That was fun


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I was schooling a bratty 12.2hh pony for a dealer on my 17th birthday [strongest horse I have EVER ridden believe it or not - in a pelham! lol], and it dumped me twice at the same fence - just twisted its shoulder and stopped dead - no shoulder or neck to hold onto lol!

I've lost count of the number of falls I've had
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nope *touches wood* - Bloss isnt really a handful, altho she is turning into a hormonal moose now shes pregnant!!!!
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Archie is just how he is, he'd not done or seen anything when i brought him, its just something i have to put up with. Ive been offered over twice what i paid for him by a top dressage rider (which i declined) i brought him to go to Grand Prix, which i know he will, thats why im determined to put in the hard work now. Hes changed so much since i got him, and that was only 9 months ago. He really is my dream horse, id never ever get a horse like him again, and im determined to make it to the top with him.
 
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nope *touches wood* - Bloss isnt really a handful, altho she is turning into a hormonal moose now shes pregnant!!!!
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me and her both pmsl hormones are awful
 
well i would rather be bucked off.
Ive had a rearer, a bucker and a bolter, the bucker and bolter are still with me and have stopped doing it mostly but i sold the rearer as it scared me whitless. It was later PTS by the people i sold it to as it was just too dangerous (i sold it as a problem pony, told the people exactly what they were getting into and sod him for virtualy nothing, they were experianced showjumpers with experiance with problem horses).

Give me a bucker anyday ive yet to see a horse go over forward, but ive seen many go over backwards.

As for the excited ponies at shows thing. Mine preforms beautifully, never bucks or gets overtly excited. wins almost everything i enter him for (we dont jump though). I'd say id much rather take a quiet settled horse out to a show then ahorse that needs masses of working in to make it sane. My current show pony needs 15 mins warm up and that is litteraly only to warm up his muscles. I have come straight off the lorry and into the ring before. he likes shows he demonstrates this by bouncing up the ramp into the lorry and by preforming well.
 
I think you can push a horse into it, even though it isnt in their nature to rear or buck.
My horse *has* reared if I have pulled too hard on her mouth and does buck if I kick her too hard but I wouldnt class her as a rearer or bucker!!
 
Rearing I think is quite rare, at least with the horses I've ridden (but then, I would not ride a confirmed rearer). I do agree that MOST horses have bucked under saddle at some point, be it pain related (saddle, teeth, bit, etc, etc), bad manners or just out of pure excitement (my lad has only bucked with me once, and that was taking him for a canter for the first time in months - just an excited flick of his back legs).
 
What a loooong thread about such a small statement lol!

I wouldn't be suspicious at all if a seller said the horse had never reared or bucked, but thats just because I'm used to Chex who doesn't do either. In 9 years he has never once reared or bucked under saddle (although on the lunge/in the field he's often on 2 legs
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