Moving to a yard with limited hacking

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Hi all, i’m looking for some advice.
I’m looking to move my two horses to a new yard - the yard they’re currently on they have all year turnout, however turnout in the winter is in a field that has very poor grazing, and is a mud bath. And aprox 35 horses in only field.
One of mine is 28, his teeth are worn meaning he has mash, and cannot pull grass easily. He is also however laminitic, and has cushings.
I have found a private yard, which has two stables, a field to do as we please with, a lovely school with jumps, however, does not have off road hacking.
My ridden pony is used to hacking out 5 times a week and we don’t do much in a school, the odd pop around some jumps here and there. He’s currently in a very large summer field with a large herd, so gets plenty of exercise.
The new yard would be just the two of them, in a smaller field we would need to restrict grazing on (put electric fencing to rotate grazing) , so much less space for him, and hacking would mean going down a lane for around 10 minutes, onto a small area of land to hack around.
He is not the best on the road, and can get very spooky, in turn making me very anxious. I’m worried that hacking is going to turn into not an option for us.
Alongside this, it would mean my older boy would not be able to go for walks, as the walk would be too much for him and most likely too stressful down the road, so would really be confined to the field, although i’m not sure this would bother him much. But he is also used to a large field.
However, we are looking to move somewhere closer to home, and move full stop as our current yard is no longer the best option for us. We also cannot access our older boy in the evenings to be able to feed him again (he is currently not of the best weight) in the evenings, and he needs more care than we’re able to give him here.
Most yards close to me i have contacted that would be suitable are full - as looking for turnout where they can share a field together due to the one being so old, and they both get on well.
I have thought about giving my boy some time off and teaching him to lunge, doing some ground work at the yard we have found, but i’m worried the big change in amount of turnout space or exercise may have an impact on him. We’d also have no one to hack with, so i would have to hack on roads alone when neither of us are fond of them.

*I might add my boy used to be fine with roads, but we have both got increasingly anxious about them, and have plenty of off road hacking here
 
How busy is the road? I've also found wearing a head cam does a cracking job at slowing down drivers - they crawl past - so would recommend one.

I guess you don't have transport to take your ridden one out anywhere?
 
How busy is the road? I've also found wearing a head cam does a cracking job at slowing down drivers - they crawl past - so would recommend one.

I guess you don't have transport to take your ridden one out anywhere?
No unfortunately i do not have transport, he’s not very used to being alone hacking anymore as unfortunately i lost the confidence to continue taking him out alone. This is however something we’re working on.
The road can be quite busy, has a few blind bends, and i would most likely have to walk him on the ground to get there. I don’t have anyone to come with me either. The road is busier during rush hours as used as a cut through, and cars can come quite quick through
 
I have a busy road to go down to get to amazing hacking near me. It's got busier and busier since I moved here 7 years ago. I have started leading them down to the road and mounting from a very conveniently placed bolder just inside the entrance to the bridleway. This solves my anxiety issues which helps avoid my boys getting anxious from me being anxious. I avoid going out from 4pm until about 6pm in the summer as it's used as a short cut and is a national speed limit road.

Can you walk the road yourself and then determine if you feel your horse would cope with it or not?

Once you get off the road is the hacking better?
 
TBH it doesn't sound brilliant to me. If you're already a bit anxious about hacking alone you really don't want to be throwing drivers into the mix. I'd be worried about your ridden pony getting fat, and you having to do a lot of land management to preserve the small amount of grazing, without having the fun of low-stress hacking out with friends.

Sorry, that sounds horribly negative! I'm in a similar situation though (a bit windy about hacking alone, but thankfully blessed with plenty of off road / quiet lane hacking which makes it manageable, plus the occasional friend to hack with on longer routes) and I would really struggle in the new setup you're describing.

Is there anything you can do to compensate for the shortcomings of the current yard? Maybe hire a freelancer to give the old boy his tea during the late afternoon, before you're home from work? I know you say he needs more care but this is such a stressful and expensive hobby anyway, that it has to be fun for you, and the potential new place sounds lonely and less than ideal in many respects.
 
I think you are looking at the grass and forgetting everything else! You could move as a temporary measure and do, as you say, ground work, schooling, and look for somewhere else.

But as you main activity is hacking and you don't like going out on the roads (understandable) then the first priority surely should be somewhere good to ride. I would also agree that getting a camera to wear when you do go out is a very good idea.

Also, and this isn't meant to be unkind, but you older horse has several things going on and he might not be around much longer. I know you say that looking after him is not satisfactory either, but I would concentrate your efforts on finding a yard with hacking.
 
All my hacking is road hacking and even I am a bit unconvinced that the change to this particular yard would be worth it for you. Are you on waiting lists for anywhere that would be better? It could work as a stop-gap if you need your old boy somewhere else asap but both of you getting used to on road hacking with no help or company sounds miserable :(
 
I would think very carefully about the move. How would your ridden horse manage should a crisis occur (& it will sooner or later) with your ridden pony is then on his own, you have nowhere to hack etc etc. Sorry to be a doom monger but reality has to be considered too.
 
I think if the road isn’t too busy and leads to good hacking then it’s definitely a possibility. I’ve been on yards like before in the past and managed fine. Also, if you have transport and are prepared to box up to hack once or twice per week, again it’s manageable but if it’s all roads and you don’t have transport that would be a deal breaker for me I’m afraid. Riding on the roads all of the time soon gets boring!
 
Thank you all, I’m still torn as to what to do as I don’t know what will be best. I am worried about my older boy coming into winter as we want to do as much as we can to keep him going, and most importantly happy.
I do think that I’m definitely going to struggle hacking him, he’s like a bag of nerves on the road, and although i think he’d get used to it i’m not so sure i’ve got the confidence to do it. I also enjoy taking my old boy out for a walk to keep him moving to help his arthritis, and again i don’t think this would be an option there. However, this yard is only 5 minutes from my house.
I’ve tried calling a few more livery yards within 20 minutes from me but most are either herd turnout, or have had very hostile replies from.
I really am stuck
 
Personally, I’d be doing what’s best for the oldie. Spoil him with attention and whatever he needs.
Accept that you won’t hack much and spend time with ground work, lunging, free jumps, carrot stretches etc etc.
Keep eye open in case a better yard becomes available.
 
I have a busy road to go down to get to amazing hacking near me. It's got busier and busier since I moved here 7 years ago. I have started leading them down to the road and mounting from a very conveniently placed bolder just inside the entrance to the bridleway. This solves my anxiety issues which helps avoid my boys getting anxious from me being anxious. I avoid going out from 4pm until about 6pm in the summer as it's used as a short cut and is a national speed limit road.

Can you walk the road yourself and then determine if you feel your horse would cope with it or not?

Once you get off the road is the hacking better?
This is a very sensible way to help you decide, because if you cannot envisage calmly accessing ‘safe’ hacking on your own, both you and the horses are unlikely to be happy in the new place. Often, nervous horses will lead well through traffic, but do cover yourselves with fluorescent items if doing so.
Many owners would love to be free of yard politics, able to manage their horses’ stabling and grazing exactly as they need and prefer, but you sound more as though you need people around for confidence / support in your riding?
Also, could either of your two horses become stressed when the other goes off to do anything? Two always kept together, 100% of the time because you daren’t leave the premises, can create intense pair bonding and separation anxiety. When the older one shuffles off this mortal coil - it could be extremely difficult, whereas on a yardful of liveries, always other companions for them both.
Perhaps ask to join waiting lists on other livery yards? Good luck!
 
Thank you all, I’m still torn as to what to do as I don’t know what will be best. I am worried about my older boy coming into winter as we want to do as much as we can to keep him going, and most importantly happy.
I do think that I’m definitely going to struggle hacking him, he’s like a bag of nerves on the road, and although i think he’d get used to it i’m not so sure i’ve got the confidence to do it. I also enjoy taking my old boy out for a walk to keep him moving to help his arthritis, and again i don’t think this would be an option there. However, this yard is only 5 minutes from my house.
I’ve tried calling a few more livery yards within 20 minutes from me but most are either herd turnout, or have had very hostile replies from.
I really am stuck

Hmm I think you might manage to do a bit in the field over the summer to keep them interested but winter may be tricky. It’s great to have a ménage but if you can’t use it with the oldie it’s pointless and I am in full agreement that keeping them rocking over with walks out and little rides is good for them mentally and physically. I ride my boy a maximum of theee times per week now and he’s happy with this. Some days he’s like his younger self and has energy, other days he just prefers a gentle walk but I leave it up to him.

Another good way to find yards is to go on google earth and see where there is a ménage/horses then maybe go and ask them if they have any room or anything available to rent. I’ve found the best yards I’ve ever been on this way as they are private and not advertised. Also you could try asking at some local farms to see if they have any land to rent and a barn or somewhere you could put a field shelter. I loved keeping mine at a dairy farm for a couple of years. We had great hacking and could ride around the farm too!
 
Personally, I’d be doing what’s best for the oldie. Spoil him with attention and whatever he needs.
Accept that you won’t hack much and spend time with ground work, lunging, free jumps, carrot stretches etc etc.
Keep eye open in case a better yard becomes available.
 
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