Moving Yards......WWD

turkana said:
I've never been on a yard that had a contract but I always a give a months notice, I just think that I would want a months notice to leave, so it only seems fair to do the same back.

IF the YO wanted you off the yard how much notice would you want her to give you? Would you be annoyed if she told you on Monday that she wanted you off by Friday?
Click to expand...

Well she would be within her rights to do so as there is not contract - she could have thrown me off last night if she really wanted to and there would be nothing I could do about it - me being annoyed or not changes nothing
 
Hevs said:
Well she would be within her rights to do so as there is not contract - she could have thrown me off last night if she really wanted to and there would be nothing I could do about it - me being annoyed or not changes nothing
Click to expand...

Once again - there is a contract.
 
Hevs said:
I said nothing about shopping her to the tax man so no idea where you get that - I simply mentioned it as that's why shes got no contract in place and doesn't want one as it would show she is running a legit business and could get her into bother - what she does with her money is her business.
Click to expand...

I didn't suggest you have the intention to shop her to the taxman, it's just your OP was worded in the way that made me think you believe the lack of legitimate business has bearing on you paying notice, so I said, it doesn't, you can shop her if you feel like it, but it has nowt to do with you paying notice :)
Hope that clears it up :)
 
Thanks for your comments guys - certainly food for thought and I appreciate everyones input - was just curious about peoples experiences and expectations as have never left a yard on poor terms before. As I said in original post I have offered to give her 2 weeks notice, and that's from Monday so I will pay from 27th April to Monday then 2 weeks from then. I think that's fair and she has agreed to this. She has most likely already filled the stable as she told me she has 3 people waiting for stables so she wont be out of pocket - was more rattled at her attitude than anything. And I'm not worried about my reputation around local yards as I know most of them, get along with all of them and would be welcome back to any of the 4 yards I have liveried on over the years as I have left them all on good terms - well, except this one I imagine.
 
amymay said:
Once again - there is a contract.
Click to expand...

I have liveried on 5 yards over the years - 2 had contracts in place, 3 didn't. When leaving the non contracted yards (well 2 of them anyway), I was not expected to give any notice as I had not been asked to give any notice when I took the stables. On both yards where I had a contract I paid a months notice and left - in one case leaving before my notice period expired. On not being told there is a notice period, I did not expect to have to give one as that's my experience from previous yards. Just wanted to gauge others experiences and thoughts - hence the post
 
I think that OP has not been very fair or respective to her YO in only giving very short notice. I had a livery do that, and it was a shock that someone I thought of as nice would treat me that way - perhaps this is why YO reacted angrily? I think that both sides should be polite and give decent periods of notice. For me, two weeks is the absolute minimum, four is polite, unless someone or something is in danger. OP you only agreed to two weeks after a row, and even now you're coming across as though you think you've been too generous.. And you wonder why her attitude is not good towards you??


Emilieu said:
It is when it is unclear what the appropriate notice is that things go wrong - I gave more than the month's notice stipulated in my contract but apparently i gave it on the wrong day so it didn't count...??
Click to expand...

Now that is a YO being petty and unfair, although I believe when you rent a house the notice has to be given before the day of the month that you pay the rent on or it is another month "already started" so to speak, so perhaps your YO was trying to go off that. Not fair though IMO if you've given a month already.

turkana said:
I've never been on a yard that had a contract but I always a give a months notice, I just think that I would want a months notice to leave, so it only seems fair to do the same back.

IF the YO wanted you off the yard how much notice would you want her to give you? Would you be annoyed if she told you on Monday that she wanted you off by Friday?
Click to expand...

Exactly. Treat as you would like to be treated.
 
In all my time of owning horses I have never once been given a written contract, I'm actually rather surprised that I haven't as I've been on some big/professional yards.

A couple of the yards have verbally stated they needed 'x' amount of notice which is fair enough and I would always abide by that. But my last yard before my current one never said anything about it, and it ended up being by far the worst yard I've ever been on. I wasn't there long before I started looking elsewhere. The owner always knew I wouldn't be there forever as my intention was always to send my youngster away for breaking and this was common knowledge. I found somewhere else and I gave them a weeks notice (I paid weekly). I left a couple of days before the week had ended but paid up until the end of week anyway. I was lucky that I didn't have any problems with the owner, he didn't really give two hoots about the yard anyway to be fair. But if there had of been a problem I would of still moved my horse on the date I wanted and paid what I owed regardless. I certainly would not have paid anymore than a full week.
 
As others have said - there is always a contract! You cannot be in occupation of land and paying for it and not have a contract - it would be implied and if a dispute went to court, the court would imply the terms of the contract if you could not provide evidence of them. If you pay weekly, you have a weekly tenancy, if you pay monthly then you have a monthly tenancy etc so notice periods follow the same.

Someone mentioned missing the date for giving notice - this is possible if you have a written contract which specifies the date by which notice has to be given and that would also be valid.

If you haven't been asked to give notice before - there may be another reason (eg a waiting list for the stable so no loss for letting people leave without giving notice). Legally, it could be enforced but people don't always insist on these things.
 
Honey08 said:
I think that OP has not been very fair or respective to her YO in only giving very short notice. I had a livery do that, and it was a shock that someone I thought of as nice would treat me that way - perhaps this is why YO reacted angrily? I think that both sides should be polite and give decent periods of notice. For me, two weeks is the absolute minimum, four is polite, unless someone or something is in danger. OP you only agreed to two weeks after a row, and even now you're coming across as though you think you've been too generous.. And you wonder why her attitude is not good towards you??
Click to expand...
I was perfectly calm and polite the entire time - I never raised my voice and actually offered the 2 weeks early in the discussion fyi. I offered it and I will pay it regardless of how angry I am at the threat of chucking me off her yard there and then or locking my horses up and holding them to ransom. She has already filled the stable as she went on at length as to how she has people lining up to get a stable so she is effectively being paid twice for it. I think that's more than fair
 
Initially you offered to the end of the week, and in your initial post you said you regretted changing it to two weeks.

She will only be saying she has filled the stable to save face - people may have told her they would like to come on the yard, but by the time she has contacted them and they've given notice they will hardly be moving on before your two weeks pay runs out, so she won't be getting paid twice..

ps, when I moved my horse from DIY to home I gave a week's notice, but paid a month.
 
Emilieu said:
You are braver than me then. I'd freak out. A yard near us has had two horses on 'ransom' for months now over an unpaid livery bill. The very thought of not having total control over him would horrify me!
Click to expand...

Yes, I would feel uneasy about anyone having control over my horse but it would only be for a matter of hours if someone did forcibly try to prevent me from accessing him... re the unpaid bill, that is a slightly different matter and any y/o would be fairly within their rights to try to hold onto the horse if they were owed a decent sum of money (which I'm assuming it was in the case you describe in order for it to escalate to that point) but in OP's case I think the y/o was just trying to scaremonger her in order for her to give her a few week's notice money...
 
Honey08 said:
Initially you offered to the end of the week, and in your initial post you said you regretted changing it to two weeks.

She will only be saying she has filled the stable to save face - people may have told her they would like to come on the yard, but by the time she has contacted them and they've given notice they will hardly be moving on before your two weeks pay runs out, so she won't be getting paid twice..

ps, when I moved my horse from DIY to home I gave a week's notice, but paid a month.
Click to expand...

Yes that's true I did initially offer to the date I left, however I agreed to meet her half way as I felt this was a compromise - and yes I did say I regretted offering it, but also added that was probably just cause I was mad at her - after all her first response to me telling me I was leaving was to threaten to throw me off the yard there and then - anyway I will pay it, as I promised I would and I would not go back on that. One of the liveries there has a friend who wants to bring their horses there so I know she has filled the stables - she also mentioned recently she has had a few calls and has a waiting list.

Regardless - I just wanted peoples opinions on what they would have done - I appreciate the responses, its interesting to learn different opinions on these things for future reference. For instance I had no idea that a months notice was implied just by using the service and paying for it monthly so I would check that in future by asking the YO. I have seen YO's throw liveries off with an hours notice in the past and people leave yards with no notice at all. I consider that rude and disrespectful from either side. Its just interesting to gauge other opinions
 
Last edited:
I think you both probably reacted angrily to how the other behaved. Try and take a deep breath and focus on the fact that you'll be out of there soon, hopefully she will do the same and it will be a bit nicer for your last few days. Good luck with the move.
 
Hevs said:
I have seen YO's throw liveries off with an hours notice in the past and people leave yards with no notice at all.
Click to expand...

Yes and I've seen that happen when there were watertight contracts in place so a contract is no guarantee of good behaviour.

In England anyway as soon as you start paying for a service then there is assumed to be a contract in place and there is a requirement for reasonable notice (usually taken to be the frequency of payment) from both sides.

The fact that alot of of liveries and YOs are not aware of this and do not respect it does not change this.
 
Amymay is trying to pint out that there is a contract. It might not be written down, but it's there folks :cool:

And you don't have to verbally agree to the terms and conditions, your actions, i.e. taking the service, dies that for you :cool:
 
If I have ever wanted to leave a yard, mid month or mid "term" shall we say. I've always sucked it up and paid the full month or "term". Its my loss. Its not hard to plan a move to stop this happening, so if it does, the livery yard owner shouldn't lose out. I should.

If you have a great YO they sometimes meet you halfway, but it's not something you should expect.
 
That's a shame you are having to move again :(

There is no formal contract and therefore you're not legally bound to give/pay notice.

I personally would always still give some notice/pay notice period if not contract was in place - even if just a couple of weeks. More out of recognition that they are out of pocket as a result of my actions and as a gesture of goodwill.

The only exception would be if I found I was being forced to move due to unreasonable Y/O behavior/unsafe conditions.

If the relationship with the Y/O was good prior to giving notice and the yard itself met your needs, I would be inclined to pay up. Did you threaten to throw you off the yard before or after you said you wouldn't be paying notice? That would also affect my decision.
 
That's not correct. I think it is a shame that people give inaccurate 'legal' advice which could cause problems for anyone that relies on it.
 
Op - thing is no mattter how rude a YO was too me I wouldd want to fulfill what I, and most people here, see as a moral obligation. By accepting a service you agree to be bound by it's conditions and I don't buy the idea that some adults here need those conditions spelling out to them or on paper. Us liveries know the lie of the land and we all know how it works. Whether my YO treated me like dirt upon giving notice I would pay my notice period (equal to regularity of payment) and I would leave with my head held high. I think you are making excuses in order to save cash and it may well bite you on the bum!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top