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Amaranta

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Please stop pm'ing me, I am not and never will be sympathetic to your 'plight'

Firstly, the vaccine for strangles has been available since 2004, not since April 2011 (last month) as you claim in your pm.

Secondly, the fact that YOU failed to insure or vaccinate your horse is entirely your problem, if you were that worried you should have moved your horse before the outbreak.

You are the worse kind of owner, you will never learn anything as you already think you know it all, more even that your poor unfortunate vet who has my complete and utter admiration and sympathy.

I do, however, feel very very sorry for your horse, he did not deserve it.
 
Amaranta said:
Please stop pm'ing me, I am not and never will be sympathetic to your 'plight'

Firstly, the vaccine for strangles has been available since 2004, not since April 2011 (last month) as you claim in your pm.

Secondly, the fact that YOU failed to insure or vaccinate your horse is entirely your problem, if you were that worried you should have moved your horse before the outbreak.

You are the worse kind of owner, you will never learn anything as you already think you know it all, more even that your poor unfortunate vet who has my complete and utter admiration and sympathy.

I do, however, feel very very sorry for your horse, he did not deserve it.
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Stands up and applaudes! I got 2 PMs last week, not sure what I did to warrant such special attention? :D
 
MrsD123 said:
I have my own followers!.... I am certain none of you are vaccinated. See
http://www.equine-strangles.co.uk/News.asp
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No, mine are not vaccinated against strangles, I freely admit it. HOWEVER I have my own yard with only my horses on it, they are ALL insured, if I was in your position and I knew that there were dealers horses arriving regularly, I would either move my horse or vaccinate, you in your wisdom did neither and now seek to blame someone else for your own shortcomings. To compound the matter you seem to be wanting to make money from your horse's suffering whilst bemoaning the fact that you were not allowed to hack out and could see no reason why you were being stopped from doing so.

Man up - it's YOUR own fault, take responsibilty.

As an aside you seem to take a totally different stance on the judge seeking compensation for being bucked off in the showring - double standards?
 
In horse ownership, as noted by others, there are times when we cannot ride due to injury or sickness. It's life, you can't wrap horses in bubblewrap but you can do things to reduce the risks.

Put it down as a lesson learnt and move on.
 
amymay said:
Just checked myself, and a more up to date article has it being reintroduced in 2010.
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Indeed! Should probably do full research next time :o
However after googling the vaccination many veterinary websites are only reccomending it if there is an outbreak in the vicinity of your horse's stables and not as a completely preventative measure. Will admit that neither of mine have had the strangles vaccine.
 
Well, I'm in Australia, and we have a strangles vaccine, or a strangles/ tetanus vaccine, which I give my horses.
I might be wrong but I thought that the strangles vaccine had been reintroduced in the UK?
I vaccinate as my horses are on livery with frequent horse movements, and I am hoping to compete, so will be taking my horses where they will mix with unknown animals.
I accept that illness/ injury is unfortunately part of horse ownership, but I try to reduce the risk as much as poss.
Kx
 
Circe said:
Well, I'm in Australia, and we have a strangles vaccine, or a strangles/ tetanus vaccine, which I give my horses.
I might be wrong but I thought that the strangles vaccine had been reintroduced in the UK?
I vaccinate as my horses are on livery with frequent horse movements, and I am hoping to compete, so will be taking my horses where they will mix with unknown animals.
I accept that illness/ injury is unfortunately part of horse ownership, but I try to reduce the risk as much as poss.
Kx
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Yes it has been reintroduced!
Will have a discussion with my vets about it, mine are also on a large livery yard with frequent horse movements and I do compete a lot too! Obviously they're both flu vacced and tetanus'd to jockey club standards but if the vaccine will prevent it and maybe prevent it appearing at the yard as we do have older vulnerable horses then it's all about minimsing risks!
 
When I spoke to my vet she said it would only be advised for very high risk cases as it needs to be given every 3 months ( Kerching ££££)

She also said the only thing that will help us eradicate strangles is good communication!! Too many people hide it away puting everyone at risk as we all talk about it like it is something dirty.
 
My girl is not vaccinated as a few horses at yard I was at when it was first introduced had a really bad reaction to it. My yard has a strict isolation policy, anything new on yard is isolated for 3 wees then bloods are done. The same process applys if you stable away anywhere overnight. X
 
Ladylina83 said:
When I spoke to my vet she said it would only be advised for very high risk cases as it needs to be given every 3 months ( Kerching ££££)

Oh, Thats interesting. I'll have to double check the vaccine I'm using to see how effective / long lasting it is.
Kx
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Mine also are not vaccinated against strangles. As MG says, I would just follow the protocol if an outbreak occured.
MrsD123 would you sue the school if your child got chickenpox? Or a cold?
Its part and parcel of having kids see.......as strangles can sadly be part and parcel for the unlucky few that get it. Its called life. Get over it. Or better still get some insurance!
 
MrsD123 said:
I have my own followers!.... I am certain none of you are vaccinated. See
http://www.equine-strangles.co.uk/News.asp
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LOL ! I'm sure they are, they make and market the vaccine. Don't think I'll be rushing to have my low risk horses done though. Two initial injections 4 weeks apart give each horse a mere 3 months immunity. Then what ? - 3 monthly jabs along with annual flu and tet jabs,.. along with regular wormers. Thats a lot of drugs going into each horse.

Nice little earner for the vets and Schering-Plough Animal Health. Not so nice for horses with upper lips resembling pin cushions after repeated injections.
 
Just to throw a slightly different scenario into the mix, we had strangles before/over Xmas. We have our own place, small yard of five.
Last new horse in was end of August, no we didn't isolate - our choice however the new one then contracted Strangles during all that snow at the end of November so 3 whole months after it had arrived.
None are vaccinated for strangles, however none go anywhere apart from local hacking - none had been in contact with strange horses (unless someone had been talking over the fence as we are on a bridle way) and bang this one horse got it.
I never then isolated the horse after diagnosis as my theory was it was a bit late - none of the others got it so all a bit mad.

So even if had isolated this horse for 3 weeks blah blah (as MrsD123 states SHOULD be done) we'd of still had it on yard anyway, a bit of a mystery in our case vet thinks horse could of been a carrier and then got run down hence the outbreak.

Funnily enough we told the world and his wife we had it and were treated like lepars so not overly suprised people like to keep stum but no one else for miles around got it either and the local riding school/other yards were still quite happy to hack out right next to the yard, just no one spoke to us in case we breathed on them lol.

oops sorry that got a bit long but just to get my point over that things happen and there is not always a way of preventing it and kicking off/suing/blaming the world and his wife won't change things, and even if someone had done things differently doesn't mean an outbreak could then never occur.
 
As I understand it MrsD123's complaint was the yard NOT following its own quarantine policy to the letter and making no attempt to isolate an obviously sick horse.

If the yard had followed its policy and her horse had still caught strangles I dont think she would be complaining

Three yards in my area have had strangles--one yard all the stabled horses caught it, the second yard which quarantined a new horse--only the new horse was sick. No news from the third. The first yard a livery stables, the second where all horses in one ownership.

Personally I think some of the remarks to MrsD123 are uncalled for

Personally I would not use the updated strangles vaccine--it is still ''up the nose'' which could leave many horses very upset about future vet visits.
 
I'm really priviledged because I got two PMs in one day from this mad woman! I love the way she says she has more experience than her vet. So she may have, but the vet has more knowledge, that's for sure plus the vet learns from other peoples' experiences, not just their own. And as for the bit about selling the horse (lucky horse!) because it has cost her more than its value, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. My horse cost me £1200 in 1995 and since 1998, being struck down by a rather unusual medical condition, has cost me in excess of £30,000. Perhaps MrsD123 would like to buy her? She's only 28 so just right and I'd let her go for £5000. Of course, I have no choice but to go and see to her twice a day to give her the medication, so since MrsD123 is clearly one of the "one a week to see if its still standing" brigade I don't think I could tempt her to buy, do you?
 
The strangles vaccine is not reliable, not proven, and in the past has actually made the ill horses more ill. Hence why it will not touch one of my horses or anyone elses I have anything to do with..
 
SusieT said:
The strangles vaccine is not reliable, not proven, and in the past has actually made the ill horses more ill. Hence why it will not touch one of my horses or anyone elses I have anything to do with..
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And why I can't understand a local well known stud insisting on it for visiting mares, plus my vet is very unhappy with reports on the ineffectiveness of it.
 
I used the vaccine back in 2005 - encouraged by the vet. My competition horse was a total nightmare for about a week afterwards in terms of his bridle and head in general. Normally quiet and relaxed stallion he almost killed me when I went to bridle him.

I haven't used since, but I keep mine at home now and any outbreak is manageable for us, we have no riders coming past etc... but I can understand the fear of telling people if a yard has it.

Years ago I was terrified to ride past a yard that had confirmed cases, we all even avoided the owners around the village!

Illness/accident is a part of ownership how we manage it what makes us responsible stewards of our horses.

I class myself a reasonable steward of our horses, but things do happen;

One of our youngsters a good few years ago:

As a yearling: jumped a gate got stuck - vet bill £2500
Box rest in spring (at the time was a colt so was a nightmare!)
WAS insured.

Next has an accident at a show with someone elses horsebox (smashed a light) cost to me £500.
Did n't insurance claim on this, but what if it is had been more? I WAS insured for liability.

Got kicked at another show by someone else's horse, vet bill here £250 (minor issues did not pursue the other person)

As a nice 3.5yo we were hacking out and got clipped by a car towing a caravan - more vet bills, this time others liability - more box rest.

Contracted a virus the following winter which laid him up for over 6months, poor thing.
More vet bills and I forget how much in total on various drugs. perhaps some £600

Physio etc...costs then as we wanted him checked before work again. £200

He makes it through to 5 years old and we discover his talent was limited and not in the sphere I wanted - my sister took him and kept him as her own horse.
Despite the caravan incident he was a lovely hacking horse, I jumped at the time and he didn't have the heart for it.

However: I did not sue the gate manufactuer, I couldn't sue the breeder for breeding an accident prone horse (was my father), couldn't sue the YO for putting a gate in a field entrance (again my Father).
nor could I sue the inconsiderate person who took a horsebox to a horse show and parked where they had been told.
I couldn't sue the headlamp manufacturer of the one he broke, for not making them more shatterproof.
I couldn't sue the showground for not actually making my class that day due to the minor cuts he sustained.
I guess I could have sued the caravan person, but didn't. I just wanted my horse OK, and was more concerned about his behaviour towards traffic when he got better.
I didn't sue the air, ground, other horses, family members or anyone for the mystery virus that struck him and none of the others.

Insurance is a vital and responsible part of ownership, I consider it safe guarding a horses future in terms of the 'huge' vet bill that could come your way.
If the original poster says she can not afford to keep this horse, then can not afford to be without insurance, it costs a small amount each month.

Sadly this country sees such a 'sue or be sued' society,
I know there are true cases of negligence but I struggle to see how this particular case has any strength behind it...

Anyway, it's kept me busy reading in work today!
 
If all these threads show one thing, it is how screwed we will be when - WHEN, not if - a serious contagious disease enters this country, such as African Horse Sickness. We have been very lucky so far, we cannot count on luck together. It would appear that everyone will spend all their time and energy panicking, arguing about who is to blame and how much it all costs and looking for someone to sue, rather than getting sorted out!

Disease control is not something that can be passed off to other people, it is the responsibility of everyone who is involved with horses. It only takes simple measures to protect horses, as simple as washing hands and cleaning boots off, and making sure equipment and tack is kept clean. But so many people seem to expect that they can just leave it to 'someone else', and wander about with their heads in the clouds assuming it will never happen to them!
 
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