Murderers in jail 'too long'

[Puppy]

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have they wondered why crime rates have increased since the death penalty was abolished?

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Studies prove that stricter/harsher sentencing makes absolutely no difference to crime rates. Sentences do not act as a deterrent; even the death sentence.

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for goodness sake its no surprise that people dont report things like rapes anymore when they know the person is very unlikely to be caught and sentenced and even if they are they usually only get a few years. which can make the whole situation worse

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Having studied criminal law, including sexual offences, there are certainly are consistent reasons why people don't report rape, however as I understand it "short sentences" is NOT one of them....

 

[Puppy]

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He was an absolute gentleman.

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I'm a big fan of him! Such a shame he didn't get more than two weeks free before his death. My dad was around that way when they were in their hey day and said the streets were safe (though oddly enough my old boss chased them off of B'ham turf!), people have served far less for random brutal murders and I'm sure Cornell wasn't a great loss (known for torture) and Jack the hat wasn't exactly a loss to the world either!

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I don't think that whether the victim is "a loss to the world" or not, is a factor that should be relevant; murder is murder.

 

[severnmiles]

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I don't think that whether the victim is "a loss to the world" or not, is a factor that should be relevant; murder is murder.

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If Puppy you suppose murder is murder why then did Reggie Kray (who murdered only Jack the hat) serve over 30years yet someone else who brutally killed a child (they lost count of bruises at 60) and then cut the body into pieces serve just 7...................its a funny old justice system out there.

 

[Sooty]

'Only' one murder? Surely one is enough? Anyway, not so:

'Their criminal activities continued behind their apparent social success. In October 1967, Reg was persuaded by his brother to kill Jack "the Hat" McVitie, an unimportant member of the Kray gang who had stepped out of line. The Krays killed Jack the Hat by stabbing him in the eye. The Krays' elder brother, Charlie, was persuaded to assist with the concealment of McVitie’s body; a task he performed so successfully that McVitie’s body was never found. Later Charlie served a 10-year prison sentence, as an accessory to the murder, for his trouble.

This wasn't the first murder the twins had committed. They were also implicated in the deaths of Frank Mitchell and George Cornell, the latter being shot at the notorious Blind Beggar pub by Ronnie on 9 March 1966. Despite a substantial reputation for violence, the twins were convicted of killing only McVitie and Cornell, though they are believed to have continued to hold influence in the underworld until their deaths.'

Beats me how anyone can be a 'fan' of people like this!

 

[The Virgin Dubble]

It was the first anniversary yesterday of the deaths of three children and an adult from Staffordshire, who died in 2006 at the hands of a convicted murderer who was out on licence after battering his lover to death with a hammer in 2001.
The family killed suffered the most horrific deaths, and were seen by neighbours, screaming for help as their house burned. Had that animal not been released so ridiculously early, that man and those poor children, would still be alive today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/6106498.stm

 

[xspiralx]

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Goldstraw, 31, who will serve at least 35 years, was on licence after being released early from a jail term for the manslaughter of a previous girlfriend.

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How on earth is beating somebody to death with a hammer "manslaughter"

That is absolutely sick. That guy should never be released.

 

[Enfys]

A life for a life as far as I am concerned.

Anyone who purposefully kills another person should forfeit their life. If that means them staying in prison until their dying day then so be it.
They have deprived someone of their life, frequently caused horrible fear and pain whilst doing it, left families without relatives and suffering a life sentence of their own.

There are many mitigating circumstances (RTAs for instance) and I'm not talking about those, but you take a life on purpose, and in your right mind, then you damned well pay the consequences.

 

[Fantasy_World]

Dubble that was an awful killing and that man-if you can call him that- should never have been let out of prison in the first place after the mallet incident.
Cheddleton is not very far from where I live at all, and I remember the story vividly in the local press at the time. It's stories like that, that make you want to cry and not only punish those responsible for the acts but also revolt against the British justice system in the first place for allowing them to do it !
I also studied law ( you have to have a detailed understanding to be a journalist, although not a practising one at the moment as on a sabbatical) I also conducted many studies into the media links to violence debate which were very interesting.
I have very personal views about murderers though and in the case of cold blooded killers ( not self defence as that is very different imo) it should be a life for a life.
Caroline

 

[The Virgin Dubble]

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How on earth is beating somebody to death with a hammer "manslaughter"

That is absolutely sick. That guy should never be released.

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I think it was made out to be a crime of passion, but his lover suffered seven skull fractures, and he hid her body in a cupboard in his bedsit in Leek afterwards.

He was realeased in 2004, only three years later...

 

[The Virgin Dubble]

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Dubble that was an awful killing and that man-if you can call him that- should never have been let out of prison in the first place after the mallet incident.
Cheddleton is not very far from where I live at all, and I remember the story vividly in the local press at the time. It's stories like that, that make you want to cry and not only punish those responsible for the acts but also revolt against the British justice system in the first place for allowing them to do it !
I also studied law ( you have to have a detailed understanding to be a journalist, although not a practising one at the moment as on a sabbatical) I also conducted many studies into the media links to violence debate which were very interesting.
I have very personal views about murderers though and in the case of cold blooded killers ( not self defence as that is very different imo) it should be a life for a life.
Caroline

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Bit odd really, that this subject came up as I was reading last nights Sentinel newspaper today. There was a feature about the story one year on, and it immediately brought back memories of those poor children, and their mothers anguish when the funeral for them was shown on TV, so I thought it was a pefect example of killers being let out on early release, only to kill again.
The story is all the more poignant because had he still been in prison, that family would still be alive and well.

I absolutely agree that there are mitigating circumstances in some killings ie a battered spouse that reaches breaking point, or accidental death, but where a person deliberately kills another, then life should mean life. With hard labour too.

 

[Fantasy_World]

I agree Dubble very. very sad and just another example of just how inappropriate the British justice system is ( putting it mildly)