Mutazayid

Have got several youngsters by Mutazayid. Most out of TB mares. Will post asome pictures in next few days, some are very impressive, much like the stallion when you see him.
 
Shame he all the way down in Devon, would have liked to have seen him. Mind might get the chance, my friend wants to meet her mares sire Bandmaster & I believe they stand at the same stud.
 
magic104 said:
Shame he all the way down in Devon, would have liked to have seen him. Mind might get the chance, my friend wants to meet her mares sire Bandmaster & I believe they stand at the same stud.
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Very nice horse of the old TB stamp with bone and plenty of substance - not graded I believe? But that makes no difference to me there are a lot of stallions that are not graded and are excellent horses and sires
 
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I dont think he has ever been put forward for grading & he is unraced but still like the look of him. For next year Im looking at an Arab or AA & the AHS list of premium stallions is not large so it is doubtful if one is chosen that is going to be graded either.
 
He was a big backward youngster so he never ran. From a racing point of view he has one of the best pedigrees you could get in a TB. Although you can't race a pedigree, the blood will always come out in the end. A stallion is only as good as his progeny in my eyes, and the ones i have seen by him are nice. Grading doesnt make a blind bit of difference to me.
 
woodgnome said:
He was a big backward youngster so he never ran. From a racing point of view he has one of the best pedigrees you could get in a TB. Although you can't race a pedigree, the blood will always come out in the end. A stallion is only as good as his progeny in my eyes, and the ones i have seen by him are nice. Grading doesnt make a blind bit of difference to me.
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Well said! And as the old saying goes 'don't look at the horse look at his foals'
 
my lad was by him out of a shire. Lost him a couple of months ago due to field accident.

he had just turned two - had the most wonderful temperment and took everything in his stride (he went through alot when we tried to save him including 6 weeks b/rest and remained a saint throughout)


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vicijp said:
'Sounds' like there was a good reason he never raced.
http://www.dbsauctions.com/pdf/dbs/181/34_204.pdf
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Night shift who stood at Coolmore had a wind problem, i believe, but he went on to be a successfull sire, and i believe lucarno who won the St leger also had a breathing operation after some poor performances. Won't stop people using him either. There's lots of reasons why damage can occur to the Laryngeal nerve, no proof that it is hereditary.
 
I knew a 17hh horse by Nickel King who had wind problems & I remember the vet saying he came across it more in the larger TB. There was no mention of it being hereditary though, I cant remember the dam line, so no chance of checking.
 
woodgnome said:
Night shift who stood at Coolmore had a wind problem, i believe, but he went on to be a successfull sire, and i believe lucarno who won the St leger also had a breathing operation after some poor performances. Won't stop people using him either. There's lots of reasons why damage can occur to the Laryngeal nerve, no proof that it is hereditary.
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Totally agree lots of reasons why horses have wind ops and not proven to be hereditary .
Although there are bloodlines that it appears in more frequently so there is thought to be some genetic factor involved.
But i dont think you can compare the likes of Nightshift and Lucarno with Mutazayid as for one both of these horses raced succesfully thus proving themselves tough and talented despite having wind problems.
Mutazayid on the other hand failed to make the racecourse.
 
woodgnome said:
Night shift who stood at Coolmore had a wind problem, i believe, but he went on to be a successfull sire, and i believe lucarno who won the St leger also had a breathing operation after some poor performances. Won't stop people using him either. There's lots of reasons why damage can occur to the Laryngeal nerve, no proof that it is hereditary.
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There is no proof that it is not hereditary either.
I agree, a wind problem does not make a horse a bad one - just as a pedigree doesn't guarantee a good one. The fact they never even picked up a Yarmouth maiden with this horse would make me think he wasn't even capable of that.
The fact that this horse was entered for the sales as a back end 3yo(from the trainer), but was withdrawn, and then finally sold from the stud 3 months later would also make me suspicious.
 
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sallyf said:
Totally agree lots of reasons why horses have wind ops and not proven to be hereditary .
Although there are bloodlines that it appears in more frequently so there is thought to be some genetic factor involved.
But i dont think you can compare the likes of Nightshift and Lucarno with Mutazayid as for one both of these horses raced succesfully thus proving themselves tough and talented despite having wind problems.
Mutazayid on the other hand failed to make the racecourse.
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Wasn't comparing Mutazayid with Night shift and Lucarno. Just pointing out that people will still use them despite the wind problem.
Although he didn't run, he is a lovelly looking horse and the stock i have seen by him are nice as well.
 
magic104 said:
I knew a 17hh horse by Nickel King who had wind problems & I remember the vet saying he came across it more in the larger TB. There was no mention of it being hereditary though, I cant remember the dam line, so no chance of checking.
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The wind problem explains why he hasn't been put forward for grading. I agree it is not hereditary and he is still a v g stamp of TB.
 
vicijp said:
There is no proof that it is not hereditary either.
I agree, a wind problem does not make a horse a bad one - just as a pedigree doesn't guarantee a good one. The fact they never even picked up a Yarmouth maiden with this horse would make me think he wasn't even capable of that.
The fact that this horse was entered for the sales as a back end 3yo(from the trainer), but was withdrawn, and then finally sold from the stud 3 months later would also make me suspicious.
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Wouldn't bother me one bit. His younger half brother Ezdiyaad was offered at sales and withdrawn, later went on to win several races. The same Stables/stud also ( infamously)sold this years 2000 guineas winner, Makfi, at the sales as they didn't think much of him. There's lots of unraced mares who go on to breed group winning stallions, so performance on the track is does not neccesarily mean everything. Incidently, the dam of Makfi was unraced, but well bred. I rest my case...
 
There is an article in H&H pg 66 "The star filly no one wanted". Should of been sold as a yearling but due to an ordinary pedigree none of the auction houses wanted her, the the breeze up sale was cancelled & as they say the rest is history. She is ex of a mare that did nothing in 4 races, yet the dams siblings have had no problems winning, & now she has produced a winning daughter. Just that the sale ring does not prove anything where Mutazayid concerned.
 
magic104 said:
There is an article in H&H pg 66 "The star filly no one wanted". Should of been sold as a yearling but due to an ordinary pedigree none of the auction houses wanted her, the the breeze up sale was cancelled & as they say the rest is history. She is ex of a mare that did nothing in 4 races, yet the dams siblings have had no problems winning, & now she has produced a winning daughter. Just that the sale ring does not prove anything where Mutazayid concerned.
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Magic104 with respect on this forum you do express very strong opinions on the importance of using only 'Graded' stallions, and on occasion have severly critisised stallions because they are not graded - why the sudden change of heart?
 
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Blacklist said:
Magic104 with respect on this forum you do express very strong opinions on the importance of using only 'Graded' stallions, and on occasion have severly critisised stallions because they are not graded - why the sudden change of heart?
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With due respect Blacklist I have not severly critisised stallions in the past, & certainly no more then I have read from others. You have based that on my comment from earlier in the year when I saw your stallion presented at Addington for grading. So find another post where I have "and on occasion have severly critisised stallions because they are not graded". So what he did not do it for me, no big deal. No one gives a monkeys what my views are anyway. I am more then aware the grading system does not always work. What I do believe is that there are enough graded stallions out there that there is no need to gamble on one that has failed, unless you are happy that what he failed on wont affect the union with your mare.

I have yet to see Mutazayid in the flesh, so how can I comment on him? It is also quiet common for TB stallions not to go forward for grading, though I admire those that do put them forward. The gradings should be a bench mark & should be a helpful tool for the mare owner. As I said in a previous post, it is the owners choice whether to use a graded stallion or not, just to date I have chosen not to. If an owner has had the conviction to put their stallion forward & it passes then mare owners are then supporting a system that is there to improve breeding as a whole. Grading is not everything, but it is a start, does not help that all the studbooks dont appear to have the same standard, but hey that is life.

In other posts I have not ruled out using an ungraded stallion, I may not have a choice if I want to breed an AA as there is no graded Arab stallion in the UK. There is no reason for that, the Trak accept them, the SHBUK might be a bit prejudice, their own stud book offer a Premium scheme.

I have a soft spot for black horses, but not all of them are going to do it for me & yours was one of them. He appears to be producing nice stock, so again what does it matter what I thought.
 
magic104 said:
With due respect Blacklist I have not severly critisised stallions in the past, & certainly no more then I have read from others. You have based that on my comment from earlier in the year when I saw your stallion presented at Addington for grading. So find another post where I have "and on occasion have severly critisised stallions because they are not graded". So what he did not do it for me, no big deal. No one gives a monkeys what my views are anyway. I am more then aware the grading system does not always work. What I do believe is that there are enough graded stallions out there that there is no need to gamble on one that has failed, unless you are happy that what he failed on wont affect the union with your mare.

I have yet to see Mutazayid in the flesh, so how can I comment on him? It is also quiet common for TB stallions not to go forward for grading, though I admire those that do put them forward. The gradings should be a bench mark & should be a helpful tool for the mare owner. As I said in a previous post, it is the owners choice whether to use a graded stallion or not, just to date I have chosen not to. If an owner has had the conviction to put their stallion forward & it passes then mare owners are then supporting a system that is there to improve breeding as a whole. Grading is not everything, but it is a start, does not help that all the studbooks dont appear to have the same standard, but hey that is life.

In other posts I have not ruled out using an ungraded stallion, I may not have a choice if I want to breed an AA as there is no graded Arab stallion in the UK. There is no reason for that, the Trak accept them, the SHBUK might be a bit prejudice, their own stud book offer a Premium scheme.

I have a soft spot for black horses, but not all of them are going to do it for me & yours was one of them. He appears to be producing nice stock, so again what does it matter what I thought.
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My stallion has nothing to do with my earlier comment - the many positive expert opinions we have had for my name sake, more than out way the few negative ones - and the proof of the pudding...... and he is doing his job well.

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vicijp said:
Well that explains everything, he is definetly a top class prospect to sire graded winners on the level.
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Do i detect a note of sarcasm??
The point i was trying to make in reply to the comment about running at yarmouth is that the fact he is unraced should make no difference to his prospect of producing winning offspring. If the horse had a pair of ovaries instead of balls, he would have been retained and bred to the best stallions available due to the pedigree. If Shadwell Stud, one of the most successfull establishments in racing today, are happy to breed, successfully, from unraced stock, then it's good enough for me. The horse gets 50% of it's genes from the each parent, so it makes no scientific difference whether it's the dam or sire that is unraced. Accordian, one of the leading jumps sires ( now dead i think) never set foot on a racetrack.
 
woodgnome said:
Do i detect a note of sarcasm??
The point i was trying to make in reply to the comment about running at yarmouth is that the fact he is unraced should make no difference to his prospect of producing winning offspring. If the horse had a pair of ovaries instead of balls, he would have been retained and bred to the best stallions available due to the pedigree. If Shadwell Stud, one of the most successfull establishments in racing today, are happy to breed, successfully, from unraced stock, then it's good enough for me. The horse gets 50% of it's genes from the each parent, so it makes no scientific difference whether it's the dam or sire that is unraced. Accordian, one of the leading jumps sires ( now dead i think) never set foot on a racetrack.
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Bravo
 
woodgnome said:
Do i detect a note of sarcasm??
The point i was trying to make in reply to the comment about running at yarmouth is that the fact he is unraced should make no difference to his prospect of producing winning offspring. If the horse had a pair of ovaries instead of balls, he would have been retained and bred to the best stallions available due to the pedigree. If Shadwell Stud, one of the most successfull establishments in racing today, are happy to breed, successfully, from unraced stock, then it's good enough for me. The horse gets 50% of it's genes from the each parent, so it makes no scientific difference whether it's the dam or sire that is unraced. Accordian, one of the leading jumps sires ( now dead i think) never set foot on a racetrack.
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Why do I feel this could go round in circles for ever?
I am not impartial to buying from unraced dams, in fact my two in training at the moment are. The difference is a mare only has a few shots at producing rubbish, when a stallion gets loads. I've always been interested in Accordian's story, but never been able to find it (HANDH ARTICLE?).
I agree the fact he is unraced will make no difference to the stock he produces, but the reason why he was unraced might.
 
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