My age or this forum?

nix123 said:
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Just read it, unbelieveable how thick are some people! Jessica has the patience of a saint compared to the reply i'd send!

I thought the same, even if you are not an 'animal person' surely common sense tells you not to take a new mother from her baby?? What's even more amazing is that none of here friends realised what s stupid thing they were doing either. Shocking!! As for disciplining a day old foal???? Just what was going through this girl's head, really don't think she should have any animal let alone a horse and foal. Very sad for both mare and foal having such a careless owner. You would have thought that once she realised the mare was in foal she would have read as much as possible to prepare her for the arrival and care of her new arrival. Sorry gone off OP's point somewhat but I think I must be impatient too!:biggrin3:
 
I guess the older I get the more patient I get but the less tolerant I get
More patient with those willing to learn and are really interested in the horse
Less tolerant of those that are patent numpties who neither know (but think they do) nor care about the animal in question it is just fun to ride/ own etc fill in species of choice
I do despair sometimes when I read thing on various forums but will try to be polite to most
 
Talking of separating a mare and foal, many years ago I saw a small child (not good with aging kids, about 2'6" high) walk between a feral Dartmoor pony mare and it's foal, and encouraged by the father she approached the foal - and the mare double barrelled her. Thick as.

Most of the people I meet through work are pretty sensible, the worst cases are new owner, little knowledge, wanting to over feed. Once questioned, it goes from 'it's working quite hard' - which I tend to check up on with 'so hunting a full day once a week, PC rally or SJ or dressage every weekend, schooling and hacking four times a week?' to 'oh no, 30 minutes hack on the lead rein'. That cuts the feed bill down for them! The one question that does bug me is 'I think my pony has a touch of laminitis, what should I feed it?'. I reply that I'm a feed merchant and not a vet, and what has their vet told them to do - they tend to mumble a lot at that point. Ring the vet!
 
Spot_the_Risk said:
Talking of separating a mare and foal, many years ago I saw a small child (not good with aging kids, about 2'6" high) walk between a feral Dartmoor pony mare and it's foal, and encouraged by the father she approached the foal - and the mare double barrelled her. Thick as.
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I saw the same thing (thankfully without the kick!) in the New Forest.
Parents actively encouraged the child to go and pat the pretty pony!!! I glared at my mum (I'm not good at speaking up) and she said "I wouldn't do that, ponies kick!" to the parents, but they ignored us.
Pony got cross and kicked out, then ran off. Thankfully missed!
 
Mithras said:
I actually have a theory for it. I think it is caused by people being very spoilt and cossetted by their parents, and never criticised, and not made to socialise properly with people outside their own family. They then bring up their own children that way...
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I know a girl who has turned into the most hideous spoilt brat, because her mother thinks she is the best rider in the world. Me and my friends, who all have 10+ years around horses (while the girl has 2) were told by the mother that we know nothing and her little angel will be the next Mary King. She even said "Experience means NOTHING!!! It's about how much you love the pony!"

Urg.
 
As you get older, you become grateful of the stupid.

Someone has to buy retail.

And if they couldn't sell supplements and carrot sticks to stupid people, those who sell me my horsey stuff (at a discount of course, because I always ask) would have to charge a lot more.
 
misterjay said:
Facebook is the worst for this! I read a thread that advised punching a horse in the throat when suffering a bout of grass induced choke!!!
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Believe it or not, a vet said to do this too because the obstruction could be seen and felt easily and the thought behind it is to try to dislodge it - but it all depends on the power of the punch and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who hasn't dealt with choke before!
 
Maesfen said:
Believe it or not, a vet said to do this too because the obstruction could be seen and felt easily and the thought behind it is to try to dislodge it - but it all depends on the power of the punch and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who hasn't dealt with choke before!
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Friends and colleagues of mine did this, one of her natives grabbed a whole apple off the floor that had dropped off the apple trees in their orchard over the fence into his paddock. They saw him hoover it up before their other pony grabbed it, in rushing he got it stuck in his windpipe, he started choking and they just not get him to cough it up, in desperation the husband of this couple punched the pony hard in the area of the bulge in the ponies throat, he hit it hard enough several times to break the apple up, luckily they were quite ripe and soft. It did the trick.
 
cremedemonthe said:
Friends and colleagues of mine did this, one of her natives grabbed a whole apple off the floor that had dropped off the apple trees in their orchard over the fence into his paddock. They saw him hoover it up before their other pony grabbed it, in rushing he got it stuck in his windpipe, he started choking and they just not get him to cough it up, in desperation the husband of this couple punched the pony hard in the area of the bulge in the ponies throat, he hit it hard enough several times to break the apple up, luckily they were quite ripe and soft. It did the trick.
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Not quite on topic but interesting all the same. Many years ago a newspaper report described a young girl who performed a tracheotomy on her choking pony and saved its life. When asked how she knew what to do she replied, 'I didn't, but I love him and couldn't let him die'.

Incredible.
 
Facebook does seem to be THE place to get cuddles and validation on animal cruelty from likeminded ignoramuses. I guess it's just so easy. Some of the stuff is just unbelievable, the animals get treated like toys. Saw one recently 'I weigh 17st8, can I ride my 2yo' was :eek::mad::(
 
Maesfen said:
Believe it or not, a vet said to do this too because the obstruction could be seen and felt easily and the thought behind it is to try to dislodge it - but it all depends on the power of the punch and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who hasn't dealt with choke before!
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But horses don't have any risk of suffocation with choke.
 
Tiddlypom said:
So why do horses die from choke, then?
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They don't suffocate as choke is a blockage of the oesophagus, not the windpipe. Most cases of choke clear themselves within minutes. If veterinary attention is required then they are likely to sedate and tube.
Fatalities are rare and are usually due to infection, rupture following an episode of choke.
Punching a horse to try and free the blockage does not sound right to me and isn't something I would even consider doing, the risk of a rupture then would be far higher. My boy has had a couple of episodes of choke and its pretty scary but over in minutes.
 
haha, I think I've been reading the same posts as you this weekend, I don't normally take much notice but I haven't been able to help myself!!

The worst bit is when it is some clueless person with a youngster and you hear about whoever is meant to be their experienced helping hand clearly causing a lot more problems than they solve.... God love these people for trying to get help, I like to think many of them will look back and cringe, but some of them won't learn and they will be no better off in a year's time, although their horse might have given them a reality check by then :-/
 
MrsD123 said:
It is actually frightening how little knowledge people have, but we all started somewhere but when I read yet another .....
........mum bought me a horse last week, it used to belong to Sheik H******** , it is much bigger than I am used to at the riding school, but I will grow in to it, it only knows how to go in straight lines, and seems to throw its head up and down, so I always keep a good hold on the reins to stop that.
She will only go up the road if I lead her, but as soon as we have bonded, we will be fine, the farrier says it has typical T.B. feet and so has suggested she gets a few weeks off or sees a vet, she seemed to be hopping on three legs yesterday ... its not bad enough to call a vet out as she manages to get out to to the field.
I know it seems a bit cold at night, but she will be getting a rug for her Christmas, I don't want to spoil the surprise.
What I really wanted to know is, are there any pink rugs with diamonte stars?
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OMFG what is happening to the horse world. *goes bury head in pillows and hope its a dream*
 
Really good response - and see I think that is the right approach - a lot of the time people just do not know any better - the girl asked a question and Jessica answered it - without being rude or nasty, but just good straight shooting commonsense advice, and gave her the tools to pursue her quest for further knowldge.

Now that new horse owner may well start learning something - if Jessica had been rude or nasty - there would be no chance the new horse owner would learn the right things anytime soon.

I think when trainers/instructors etc can let go of their own ego - they become very effective positive influences.



dogatemysalad said:
Here's a woman who knows how to give advice to the jaw-droppingly daft.

If you haven't come across Jessica Jahiel, she's worth a look. This is an example of her response to the owner of a 1 day old foal. How she kept her cool in her reply is pretty impressive.

http://www.horse-sense.org/archives/20070304135351.php
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I actually think that in general, horsey people have no tact!
That itself apears to be the issue more so than direct advice :p

Perhaps if people giving advice were more patient and talked to the person rather that AT the person people might take more advice on board.

For example, friends horse has been colicy over past 3 weeks, had surgery to fix but still gassy colic attacks every few nights. Friend has been sitting with horse one particularly bad night and they were considering PTS but had not told anyone as was early stages of colic at this point. Cue a person on yard coming in and announcing "you can cremate a horse now so could put ashes in room at home..."

Yes what person said is true but timing was not good nor was tactful - person should have said someting like "if you are considering pts as an option there is a place that does cremation" much more helpful!!
 
(claiming age-related bluntness privileges :D)[/QUOTE]
yes i suffer too with ARBP, no known cure its all about how to make you feel comfortable! :D
 
Is anyone starting a support group for us afflicted people? After all there are support groups for just about everything else!
Seriously though, we all made mistakes when we first became horse owners but we learnt from those mistakes, read all the literature we could, asked the RIGHT people (vets etc.) for advice and most important of all we have COMMON SENSE!
Common sense went the way of the Dodo when political correctness reared its ugly head.
 
Thanks for all the replies :)

Glad it isn't just me. Don't get me wrong, with genuine people (no matter how silly the question) I am happy to help, but idiots asking ridiculous questions just gets my goat. This is the same in my life too. Just cannot abide an idiot any more!
 
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