Zoobie
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I was just QR not at you in particluar
my dog just had our 13 year old cat in his mouth
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VictoriaEDT
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great minds think alike!!!
I started this this avo as I have a clicker and a dog very keen on cheese (but only very mature...very fussy!). Fingers crossed he will get used to her being out of her territory (utility room)
Thanks for the advice!
I started this this avo as I have a clicker and a dog very keen on cheese (but only very mature...very fussy!). Fingers crossed he will get used to her being out of her territory (utility room)
Thanks for the advice!
CAYLA
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Totally agree with Cala's comments. My best friend bred Gordon's so I understand where you are coming from. If one of my dogs had one of my cats like that they would soon know to put it down and by that I mean raising my voice but if I had to intervene more I would.
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Me too...my voice is enough to stop my dogs in their tracks, but in a dangerous situation I would act accordingly.
Everyday discipline is very different to a dangerous situation that needs an instant reaction, I dont think a dog friendly discipline way of saving the cat from being savaged was what victoriaEDT had in mind at the time her cat was nearing the jaws of a large over excitable dog with cat on his mind
And I will bet what ever u did(which im pretty sure...was nothing like a beating)...felt like fly bites...to your over zelous hound
Totally agree with Cala's comments. My best friend bred Gordon's so I understand where you are coming from. If one of my dogs had one of my cats like that they would soon know to put it down and by that I mean raising my voice but if I had to intervene more I would.
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Me too...my voice is enough to stop my dogs in their tracks, but in a dangerous situation I would act accordingly.
Everyday discipline is very different to a dangerous situation that needs an instant reaction, I dont think a dog friendly discipline way of saving the cat from being savaged was what victoriaEDT had in mind at the time her cat was nearing the jaws of a large over excitable dog with cat on his mind
And I will bet what ever u did(which im pretty sure...was nothing like a beating)...felt like fly bites...to your over zelous hound
VictoriaEDT
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:And I will bet what ever u did(which im pretty sure...was nothing like a beating)...felt like fly bites...to your over zelous hound
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After I smacked him and sent him downstairs and checked the cat I came and checked my e mails which is when I posted (so I was furious!) and by the time I posted and went down stairs I was greeted with feet on my shoulders and slobbering! so me thinks he had forgotten already!
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:And I will bet what ever u did(which im pretty sure...was nothing like a beating)...felt like fly bites...to your over zelous hound
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After I smacked him and sent him downstairs and checked the cat I came and checked my e mails which is when I posted (so I was furious!) and by the time I posted and went down stairs I was greeted with feet on my shoulders and slobbering! so me thinks he had forgotten already!
sloulou
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It was the way you worded it...
Sorry if my response was not justified, but it did read badly
I am sure you love your dog. It was just that you said it was 'beaten' and I wouldn't 'beat' a horse, dog or child - am not saying I wouldn't use a whip on a horse - but a smack is different from a beating - so you can see how I interpreted it wrong.
I can recommend a dog forum if you like - with a gundog trainer on it
I can pm you?
Sorry if my response was not justified, but it did read badly
I am sure you love your dog. It was just that you said it was 'beaten' and I wouldn't 'beat' a horse, dog or child - am not saying I wouldn't use a whip on a horse - but a smack is different from a beating - so you can see how I interpreted it wrong.
I can recommend a dog forum if you like - with a gundog trainer on it
FarthingwoodFox
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If my dog had any animal in its mouth I wouldnt hesitate to do whatever neccessary.
VictoriaEDT
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no worries, as I said I worded it v badly.
Thanks but I have joined a forum www.thedoglounge.co.uk so hopefully that will help.
TBH I think it was just a one time incident as he didnt try run upstairs today and came back to me when I called him (and yes he got lots of praise for it!)
Thanks but I have joined a forum www.thedoglounge.co.uk so hopefully that will help.
TBH I think it was just a one time incident as he didnt try run upstairs today and came back to me when I called him (and yes he got lots of praise for it!)
mememe
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awww very sweet dog!! My lab is obbsessed with my cat however the cat is definitaly the one in control so woody gets a beating from the cat if he goes to far!
chester1
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Thanks but I have joined a forum www.thedoglounge.co.uk so hopefully that will help.
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I've heard that's a good forum. I'm not a member myself, but a few people I know have recommended it. Hope it is helpful to you
Thanks but I have joined a forum www.thedoglounge.co.uk so hopefully that will help.
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I've heard that's a good forum. I'm not a member myself, but a few people I know have recommended it. Hope it is helpful to you
FarthingwoodFox
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VEDT -
I think you did the right thing, and so do a lot of the doggy people I have spoken to on this matter.
To all those who advocate a non violent approach, what if, in that two minutes you were shouting and bawling at your dog to stop what he was doing, he killed the cat? Would you feel vindicated that you hadn't walloped your dog - or would you feel stupid because your cat is now dead?
I hardly think V walked up to her dog without a word (or indeed a shout) of warning before giving it a hiding.
God alive, I have seen the efforts of people who are afraid to discipline their dogs - and its just laughable.
I think you did the right thing, and so do a lot of the doggy people I have spoken to on this matter.
To all those who advocate a non violent approach, what if, in that two minutes you were shouting and bawling at your dog to stop what he was doing, he killed the cat? Would you feel vindicated that you hadn't walloped your dog - or would you feel stupid because your cat is now dead?
I hardly think V walked up to her dog without a word (or indeed a shout) of warning before giving it a hiding.
God alive, I have seen the efforts of people who are afraid to discipline their dogs - and its just laughable.
chester1
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God alive, I have seen the efforts of people who are afraid to discipline their dogs - and its just laughable.
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has anyone said that they do not discipline their dogs? I must have missed it. Perhaps you could point out the post where someone has said this?
Or is this a Straw Man argument (where you attribute a point of view to someone so that you can argue against it)
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God alive, I have seen the efforts of people who are afraid to discipline their dogs - and its just laughable.
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has anyone said that they do not discipline their dogs? I must have missed it. Perhaps you could point out the post where someone has said this?
Or is this a Straw Man argument (where you attribute a point of view to someone so that you can argue against it)
FarthingwoodFox
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Err no Im just saying in general...
sloulou
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Oh for God's sake, I cannot believe the attitude of some people. How dare anyone interoggate VictoriaEDT regarding the manner in which she disciplines her dog - or any animal, come to that? How can anyone determine whether or not someone else's animal is in need of physical discipline? There are some animals for whom a smack is sometimes necessary. Our girls both get a smack when appropriate - if they steal food, if they barge through doorways, if they jump up on the side. Other times, a strong word is enough - if they have had an accident in our absence, or if they chase the cat, for example. Each situation, and each dog, is different, and no person has the right to tell another person how they should/should not discipline their animals.
Sheesh, and we wonder why so many kids run riot at the moment
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FWIW - was never hit as a child and I was mostly well behaved (as were my sisters)
. We were disciplined - obviously... but not physically - more by tone of voice (it wasn't even shouting) but I used to feel terrible if I had upset my parents. But that's just me....
I don't think anyone is advocating a non-discipline approach either with animals or children! But even you must agree that a 'beating' is not the same as a smack.... I discipline my dog if I need to - I don't smack him though.
Anyway - I know Victoria has explained now - so this isn't a dig at you Victoria...
Also - if an animals life was in danger I would of course act quickly and do whatever I needed to do to prevent an incident.
Oh for God's sake, I cannot believe the attitude of some people. How dare anyone interoggate VictoriaEDT regarding the manner in which she disciplines her dog - or any animal, come to that? How can anyone determine whether or not someone else's animal is in need of physical discipline? There are some animals for whom a smack is sometimes necessary. Our girls both get a smack when appropriate - if they steal food, if they barge through doorways, if they jump up on the side. Other times, a strong word is enough - if they have had an accident in our absence, or if they chase the cat, for example. Each situation, and each dog, is different, and no person has the right to tell another person how they should/should not discipline their animals.
Sheesh, and we wonder why so many kids run riot at the moment
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FWIW - was never hit as a child and I was mostly well behaved (as were my sisters)
I don't think anyone is advocating a non-discipline approach either with animals or children! But even you must agree that a 'beating' is not the same as a smack.... I discipline my dog if I need to - I don't smack him though.
Anyway - I know Victoria has explained now - so this isn't a dig at you Victoria...
Also - if an animals life was in danger I would of course act quickly and do whatever I needed to do to prevent an incident.
SunshineTallulah
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My dog would never have had the opportunity in the first place to get itself in a situation where it could get the cat in its mouth in the first place and the whole situation would have been avoided.
Victoria - I totally appreciate that you wrote your thread whilst still feeling very emotional about the whole situation, and as such you perhaps didn't write your post as you normally would, but you have to understand why you got the responses you did.
I think its brilliant that you have signed up to a dog forum, excellent. I have learnt so much through forums (horses, dogs, cats - the works) and I think they are better than any book or magazine as you can post exact questions.
Children and dogs are entirely different. A child knows when its doing something wrong or breaking the rules. A dog only does what is self rewarding and if you are not there when the dog is "naughty" or "self rewarding" by stealing food or whatever, then its your fault for leaving the food out and giving the dog the opportunity to get to it.
My dog used to keep nabbing the cat food - so now its moved somewhere she can't get it. End of the problem.
Its my choice not to hit my dog and I don't agree with dogs being hit / smacked to be disciplined.
Victoria - I totally appreciate that you wrote your thread whilst still feeling very emotional about the whole situation, and as such you perhaps didn't write your post as you normally would, but you have to understand why you got the responses you did.
I think its brilliant that you have signed up to a dog forum, excellent. I have learnt so much through forums (horses, dogs, cats - the works) and I think they are better than any book or magazine as you can post exact questions.
Children and dogs are entirely different. A child knows when its doing something wrong or breaking the rules. A dog only does what is self rewarding and if you are not there when the dog is "naughty" or "self rewarding" by stealing food or whatever, then its your fault for leaving the food out and giving the dog the opportunity to get to it.
My dog used to keep nabbing the cat food - so now its moved somewhere she can't get it. End of the problem.
Its my choice not to hit my dog and I don't agree with dogs being hit / smacked to be disciplined.
VictoriaEDT
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Victoria you have to understand why you got the responses you did.
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I do understand which is why i NEVER disputed what anyone was saying!!!! sheesh
Victoria you have to understand why you got the responses you did.
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I do understand which is why i NEVER disputed what anyone was saying!!!! sheesh
Oneofthepack
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I'm afraid some dogs just have it in them to chase cats. My old lurcher Charlie grew up with a kitten and they used to play fab games round the house which usually ended with the cat flat on his back with just his head poking out from under the dogs chest.....until Charlie reached 2 or 3, then all hell broke loose and the cat ended up living seperately at first and then moved outside where he still lives today.
My 4 current dogs all have different attitudes. One would tear the cat limb from limb if she got anywhere near and the other 3 range from being mildly interested to totally oblivious, and they've all been brought up the same.
Even if you could retrain the dog there's always the risk he'd 'forget' one day when you weren't there so I'd keep them apart.
My 4 current dogs all have different attitudes. One would tear the cat limb from limb if she got anywhere near and the other 3 range from being mildly interested to totally oblivious, and they've all been brought up the same.
Even if you could retrain the dog there's always the risk he'd 'forget' one day when you weren't there so I'd keep them apart.
FinkleyAlex
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I think the only thing to do is truly seperate your house. Our elderly man cat lives on the second and third floor, having about 7 rooms to roam through and feed and water upstairs. Our alaskan malamute lives downstairs, has always been taught not to go upstairs (occasionally in a fit of excitement she will run up and then down again) so we got a child gate. Cat feels safe, safe enough to come down and pick fights anyway. Often come home to find cat sitting behind gate trying to scratch dogs nose, and dog is scared but thinks its fun.
In fact, old man cat has got so much respect from malamute in this way that whenever the gate is left open he walks downstairs and out of the catflap, and god forbid should the dog get in its way (it doesn't - she stays a respectful room or two away)!
In fact, old man cat has got so much respect from malamute in this way that whenever the gate is left open he walks downstairs and out of the catflap, and god forbid should the dog get in its way (it doesn't - she stays a respectful room or two away)!
fmay
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Our cat has a seperate part of the house to the (5) dogs.
The cat can deal with each dog when they approach her individually but would not stand a chance if they ganged up on her. We have kept dogs with cats for 25 years and it is only the 2 most recent border terriers that we have not been able to make cat-friendly. Add to that an excitable lurcher and a lab puppy and it could mean trouble.
We could never have another kitten because it would not know it's 'territory' and where not to go to avoid dogs.
The cat can deal with each dog when they approach her individually but would not stand a chance if they ganged up on her. We have kept dogs with cats for 25 years and it is only the 2 most recent border terriers that we have not been able to make cat-friendly. Add to that an excitable lurcher and a lab puppy and it could mean trouble.
We could never have another kitten because it would not know it's 'territory' and where not to go to avoid dogs.
Tia
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I've read this thread and I have to say, Victoria, if any one of my dogs had done what your dog did, I would also have hit the dog ... and as much as it took to make it stop trying to kill the cat.
I am not a violent person in the slightest and I've only ever smacked one of my dogs once, however when it comes to life or death situations I would ALWAYS do whatever it took to stop the situation turning very bad.
Don't feel bad because I can tell you, you would feel very much worse if you were digging a hole for your dead cat.
I am not a violent person in the slightest and I've only ever smacked one of my dogs once, however when it comes to life or death situations I would ALWAYS do whatever it took to stop the situation turning very bad.
Don't feel bad because I can tell you, you would feel very much worse if you were digging a hole for your dead cat.
Lopod
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Well said MizElz! Setters are beautiful, loveable dogs but they are not the brightest, which means discipline has to be a little unsubtle.