Lotty
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Wagtail - Just posting to say I'm thinking about you both and really hope she gets better soon. As you know, I've been through this a few years ago and its horrible. Sending you good luck vibes.
My girl has laminitis again
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Wagtail
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Thanks Lotty.
And thanks everyone. Your good vibes must be working. I led her out today (having had no danilon) and she looked sound. Her pulses are gone! I know she is not quite 100% because she has a kind of bounce to her walk when she is completely right and it wasn't there. But a vet wouldn't have noticed. So she is staying in again today, and possibly tomorrow, but can hopefully go out by Sunday/Monday. Yay!
doriangrey
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Yes, I'm sure. It was quoted by a very lady who has a vested interest as her Morgan was very laminitic. She went as far as to warn people with IR horses against relying on straw without getting it tested first. However, I didn't tell the original poster to stop feeding the straw but just suggested that it might have a high sugar level. If it's a commercial chop then the feed company should be able to tell the OP the sugar content. I agree, lignin is virtually undigestible and a diet high in lignin reduces the overall digestibility of other nutrients. Glad to hear your horse is feeling better OP
Becky&ChezzyWezz
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Hope she hets better soon!
If she gets lammie quite recurrently have you considered testing for cushings disease??
They get lammie quite a lot and dont always have the tell tale symptoms of a horse with cushings. I discovered my pony has it this week and he has no clinical signs of cushings other than slight laminitis, which he is managed very strictly for.
And autumn/spring are peak times for it.
Pergolide is the drug used to treat it and will stop the laminitis from frequently occuring due to the metabolic changes which cause it.
Its worth the test.
xxx
If she gets lammie quite recurrently have you considered testing for cushings disease??
They get lammie quite a lot and dont always have the tell tale symptoms of a horse with cushings. I discovered my pony has it this week and he has no clinical signs of cushings other than slight laminitis, which he is managed very strictly for.
And autumn/spring are peak times for it.
Pergolide is the drug used to treat it and will stop the laminitis from frequently occuring due to the metabolic changes which cause it.
Its worth the test.
xxx
Wagtail
Horse servant
Thanks Becky. Yes she does have Cushings, and Insulin resistance and is on Prascend for the Cushings and metformin for the IR.
ILuvCowparsely
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Just shows you how different horses react . Marks haylage is what d was on Before the flareup . The best is founderguard as its a preventitive but. Protexin us what vets Advise
Wagtail
Horse servant
Thank you. Will look into those things. I have my charcoal now but can't work out how to open the tub. Have tried everything.
Leviathan, I think the key with my girl is keeping her on the metformin. Even though she had tested negative last year to IR and I refused to give her the glucose test, she obviously is IR as it has such a quick beneficial effect on her. I don't know why vets don't just put horses that are struggling to recover from lami onto it as a matter of course.
BlackRider
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And thanks everyone. Your good vibes must be working. I led her out today (having had no danilon) and she looked sound. Her pulses are gone! I know she is not quite 100% because she has a kind of bounce to her walk when she is completely right and it wasn't there. But a vet wouldn't have noticed. So she is staying in again today, and possibly tomorrow, but can hopefully go out by Sunday/Monday. Yay!
That's excellent news! I hope she's back to normal very soon
Wagtail
Horse servant
That's excellent news! I hope she's back to normal very soon
Thank you.
I am very tempted to put her out for a bit today, but may give her one more day in. Better safe than sorry.
ILuvCowparsely
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Thank you. Will look into those things. I have my charcoal now but can't work out how to open the tub. Have tried everything.
Leviathan, I think the key with my girl is keeping her on the metformin. Even though she had tested negative last year to IR and I refused to give her the glucose test, she obviously is IR as it has such a quick beneficial effect on her. I don't know why vets don't just put horses that are struggling to recover from lami onto it as a matter of course.
Yes I know
.I am organising the vets to come here and show all my liveries how to check for pulse and what to look for in laminitis.
I think it would be good for all yard owners to arrange this. If I had done this sooner my horse of a lifetime would still be in my life
May we see a picture of your lovely girlie??
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Goldenstar
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Wagtail bad luck you seem to having a right time of it ATM,
On straw I have this week given my haylage supplier to a bag of my chopped oat straw chaff to send for analysis , I will post if it brings up anything interesting.
On straw I have this week given my haylage supplier to a bag of my chopped oat straw chaff to send for analysis , I will post if it brings up anything interesting.
Wagtail
Horse servant
Yes I know
I am organising the vets to come here and show all my liveries how to check for pulse and what to look for in laminitis.
I think it would be good for all yard owners to arrange this. If I had done this sooner my horse of a lifetime would still be in my life
May we see a picture of your lovely girlie??
Yes, this was her a couple of months ago recovering from her last bout of lami. It was worse the last time as I was slower to catch it. She only started to get better after being on the metformin.
ILuvCowparsely
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what a pretty girl she is, an unusual stripe on her face, very unique.
Hope you get to the bottom of the flare ups to avoid any more for her.
Hope Epona is looking out for her http://www.epona.net/:)
.Hope you get to the bottom of the flare ups to avoid any more for her.
Hope Epona is looking out for her http://www.epona.net/:)
Wagtail
Horse servant
what a pretty girl she is, an unusual stripe on her face, very unique
Hope you get to the bottom of the flare ups to avoid any more for her.
Hope Epona is looking out for her http://www.epona.net/:)
Thank you.
I am so sorry you lost your girl to this horrible disease. I had to push really hard with my vets to get her put on metformin. They wanted to do a glucose test on her first that would have involved giving her a feed of 500 g of glucose!
They thought I was being over cautious by refusing to give her the test. But anyway, she wasn't getting better and it was only when they relented and let me have some metformin that she got better. Then I weaned her off it as they said they normally only stay on for a few months, but obviously she needs to stay on it. Expensive, as she needs 26 a day and is also on prascend, but she's worth it. I guess I know that one day it will probably claim her life. When there comes a time when I can't either prevent the attacks happening, or when she stops recovering so quickly from them when she does have a flare up, then I will have to do what is right for her. But as it is, she is a happy girl, with lots of spirit and a good quality of life. She went out for a couple of hours in the arena yesterday and enjoyed having a roll and a trot about.
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Wagtail
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Thank you. I would be very onterested. I got the chopped oatstraw as an unbranded feed from efeed.co.uk.
It may not be a problem for her at all and I may send some off for analysis myself in the summer. It could just be coming off the metformin that brought on the attack. Though she has recovered from lami twice before without metformin. I guess they just get worse and worse and more and more sensitive.
be positive
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Just a thought did you wean her off or just stop the metformin? I may have missed that bit but you may find she does not need 26 daily, once stable try gradually reducing there may be a safe level you can remain on without putting her at risk, my pony reduced his then stopped and has, touch wood, been laminitis free since, about 2 years now which considering one vet wanted to pts is remarkable although obviously management is crucial I am much more relaxed than I was and he has been able to cope with unsoaked hay this winter.
ILuvCowparsely
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| am still grieving my girl.
I am going to a lami lecture at my vets and will start going to more and more clinics (free) to learn everything possible about this disease and others. I learnt a lot of the last year but want to learn more so I can see the microscopic symptoms.
Its so hard too- every day coping without her, as I am constantly reminded from her empty stable and also her sons depression. I might ask vets for bloods in case he has a virus or something. He is so lethargic moping in fields, when schooled he works well but out hacking he plods.
I wish you and your girly well waggy if I can be of any help please let me know.
I would spend what ever it takes for mine as you will your girlie,
I am going to a lami lecture at my vets and will start going to more and more clinics (free) to learn everything possible about this disease and others. I learnt a lot of the last year but want to learn more so I can see the microscopic symptoms.
Its so hard too- every day coping without her, as I am constantly reminded from her empty stable and also her sons depression. I might ask vets for bloods in case he has a virus or something. He is so lethargic moping in fields, when schooled he works well but out hacking he plods.
I wish you and your girly well waggy if I can be of any help please let me know.
I would spend what ever it takes for mine as you will your girlie,
yes expensive but cheap when it keeps her well, that cost is priceless
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Wagtail
Horse servant
It's really encouraging to hear about that. I hope he continues to do as well. I reduced the metformin over a two week period and she had been completely off it about 10 days when she got lami again. I think there probably will be room for me to reduce it andfind a safe level once she has been on the full dose for a couple of months.
Wagtail
Horse servant
| am still grieving my girl.
I am going to a lami lecture at my vets and will start going to more and more clinics (free) to learn everything possible about this disease and others. I learnt a lot of the last year but want to learn more so I can see the microscopic symptoms.
Its so hard too- every day coping without her, as I am constantly reminded from her empty stable and also her sons depression. I might ask vets for bloods in case he has a virus or something. He is so lethargic moping in fields, when schooled he works well but out hacking he plods.
I wish you and your girly well waggy if I can be of any help please let me know.
I would spend what ever it takes for mine as you will your girlie,
yes expensive but cheap when it keeps her well, that cost is priceless
Yes getting bloods would be a good idea. Does he have others in the field with him? I was wondering how much of his depression is missing his Mum as she was on box rest for so long and only out in the field with him at the end, wasn't he? Or is he stabled next to her too?
BlackVelvet
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With the metformin i was told by my vet that as soon as he started doing 'proper' exercise again after box rest he wouldnt need it. We also stopped his (30 a day!) suddenly and didnt get lami again, although i was very careful with the grass as he was a pig.
So hopefully when shes feeling better and beinh ridden again you can wean her off metformin for good, fingers crossed anyway as trying to feed them that amount everyday isnt easy! I kept finding metformin everywhere as he kept burying them in his bed!
Hope shes feeling better now.
So hopefully when shes feeling better and beinh ridden again you can wean her off metformin for good, fingers crossed anyway as trying to feed them that amount everyday isnt easy! I kept finding metformin everywhere as he kept burying them in his bed!
Hope shes feeling better now.
ILuvCowparsely
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This answers your question
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Wagtail
Horse servant
I can see why he would miss his Mum then. Your yard looks very nice. I like the neat concreting. How much did it cost to get it done if you don't mind me asking? PM me if you like. I am fed up with the surface of my courtyard.