My horse is unsellable (sarcoids)

[Littlelegs]

All about Romeo- spend some time going round sales & auctions, not top end ones, the likes of beeston. Then come & tell us about all the lovely companion homes available after you've watched all the cheap to keep, healthy foals & unrideable horses going for meat. Then find yourself some footage about the unlucky ones who are exported live for slaughter instead. And then come back & try & explain why its cruel to pts at home yourself.

 

[Marydoll]

And you think that's acceptable? the reality is most of these horses are rehomeable and there are good homes who would be willing to take these horses on! Its is irresponsible to put a good horse to sleep! they are not disposable! they are living creatures who should not been thrown away when no longer of use to the owner! the only circumstances where being PTS is the best option is if the horse is severely injured, dying already or is dangerous.

Ok, what about the ones in pain, or have awful diseases that can only get worse, do you wait until theyre really bad, or let them go before the pain, inability to get about causes them to drop ??

 

[Marydoll]

All about Romeo- spend some time going round sales & auctions, not top end ones, the likes of beeston. Then come & tell us about all the lovely companion homes available after you've watched all the cheap to keep, healthy foals & unrideable horses going for meat. Then find yourself some footage about the unlucky ones who are exported live for slaughter instead. And then come back & try & explain why its cruel to pts at home yourself.

^^^^^ wot she said ........ good post littlelegs

 

[all about Romeo]

All about Romeo- spend some time going round sales & auctions, not top end ones, the likes of beeston. Then come & tell us about all the lovely companion homes available after you've watched all the cheap to keep, healthy foals & unrideable horses going for meat. Then find yourself some footage about the unlucky ones who are exported live for slaughter instead. And then come back & try & explain why its cruel to pts at home yourself.

WHY ARE YOU NOT LISTENING TO ME? I HAVE ALREADY SAID the auctions are full of horses that are owned by dealers and dodgy people to get rid quick... people generally will not take a risk on these horses as they have no history and can be dangerous (I have already said dangerous horses should be PTS) I AM fully aware of the poor horses that end up going to the slaughter house!!! That is why I do my bit where I can to try and re-home as many horses as I can, I have NEVER bought a horse, I have always re-homed good healthy horses that other people don't want anymore and if more people did the same these horses would not end up going through such stress and dying! AND IF YOUR GOING TO QUOTE AND CRITICIZE ME, READ ALL MY POSTS FIRST SO I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF.

 

[gracey]

op, don't let those on this thread that keep saying pts is an easy get out clause upset you, they obviously have no idea. You have tried your best but I agree, when is enough ..enough?? your poor horse sounds wonderful, but as a responsible owner, you have to make decisions in the horses best interest, like you say what happens when he has no ear left to remove? very, very sad situation and I feel for you and your horse..x

 

[all about Romeo]

Ok, what about the ones in pain, or have awful diseases that can only get worse, do you wait until theyre really bad, or let them go before the pain, inability to get about causes them to drop ??

I have already said the only circumstances that I would PTS a horse is if it was serverly injured, was already dying (through illness) or if it is dangerous.

 

[gracey]

WHY ARE YOU NOT LISTENING TO ME? I HAVE ALREADY SAID the auctions are full of horses that are owned by dealers and dodgy people to get rid quick... people generally will not take a risk on these horses as they have no history and can be dangerous (I have already said dangerous horses should be PTS) I AM fully aware of the poor horses that end up going to the slaughter house!!! That is why I do my bit where I can to try and re-home as many horses as I can, I have NEVER bought a horse, I have always re-homed good healthy horses that other people don't want anymore and if more people did the same these horses would not end up going through such stress and dying! AND IF YOUR GOING TO QUOTE AND CRITICIZE ME, READ ALL MY POSTS FIRST SO I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF.

BUT this horse is not healthy! are you reading this post through? I fail to understand how you keep saying he is healthy?

 

[ester]

so you would put this horse through more (painful) surgery? (or multiple surgeries)

 

[rhino]

WHY ARE YOU NOT LISTENING TO ME? I HAVE ALREADY SAID AND IF YOUR GOING TO QUOTE AND CRITICIZE ME, READ ALL MY POSTS FIRST SO I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF.

Gosh why so rude? Do you have to 'shout'; everyone else is managing to have a reasonable discussion.

Plenty of healthy, rideable horses end up at auction and slaughter, the idea that they all have behavioural problems is naive to say the least.

 

[all about Romeo]

BUT this horse is not healthy! are you reading this post through? I fail to understand how you keep saying he is healthy?

THE START OF MY POSTS WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HORSE, I WAS REPLYING TO A POST THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD PUT UP ABOUT PUTTING "UNSELLABLE" HORSES DOWN. MY POINT IS IF THEY ARE HEALTHY (EXCLUDING MINOR INJURIES) THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE CANT BE REHOMED.

 

[all about Romeo]

Gosh why so rude? Do you have to 'shout'; everyone else is managing to have a reasonable discussion.

Plenty of healthy, rideable horses end up at auction and slaughter, the idea that they all have behavioural problems is naive to say the least.

Because I am having to repeat myself because people are not reading all my posts, I know these horses end up at auction and slaughter and that is terrible, my point is if the horse is not severely injured, dying through illness or dangerous why must it be destroyed???? I am not talking about this horse in particular... I was replying to another post.

 

[gracey]

.. please stop shouting its making my eyes hurt ..

ok i am with you, yes it is very sad when a healthy horse gets pts .. I don't agree with it, but I would much rather pts than neglected/starved it's (sadly) not an ideal world. I wish it was!!

 

[touchstone]

WHY ARE YOU NOT LISTENING TO ME? I HAVE ALREADY SAID the auctions are full of horses that are owned by dealers and dodgy people to get rid quick... people generally will not take a risk on these horses as they have no history and can be dangerous (I have already said dangerous horses should be PTS) I AM fully aware of the poor horses that end up going to the slaughter house!!! That is why I do my bit where I can to try and re-home as many horses as I can, I have NEVER bought a horse, I have always re-homed good healthy horses that other people don't want anymore and if more people did the same these horses would not end up going through such stress and dying! AND IF YOUR GOING TO QUOTE AND CRITICIZE ME, READ ALL MY POSTS FIRST SO I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF.

There are often some very good but old horses that go through the auctions, they certainly aren't all dangerous and many foals and youngstock go through the ring that could make good ponies. The marketplace is flooded with horses that can't be sold or given away. The recession is deepening and the situation is likely to worsen. If a home can be found then great, however the truth of the matter is that finding a good home is getting less and less likely.

We have seen instances on here of rescuers having to be rescued themselves as they just keep on taking horses that they have no time or money for and it is the horse that suffers.

I would rehome another if I could - fact is I can't as I'm sure many other people can't either. There are far more ponies than homes and to me the stress of unwanted horses being passed from pillar to post is far worse than being quietly pts at home.

 

[rhino]

As long as you are honest with any perspective new owners about the horses condition there is a good chance someone will want to take him on even if he does end up losing his ear there is no reason why he could not be a companion horse. Don`t give up on him, it might not even come back!

I am not talking about this horse in particular... I was replying to another post.

No you weren't, your first post quite clearly concerns the horse in the OP And it very much appears that you are the one not reading posts as the OP quite clearly states that the sarcoid is already back and causing problems..

 

[ester]

THE START OF MY POSTS WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HORSE, I WAS REPLYING TO A POST THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD PUT UP ABOUT PUTTING "UNSELLABLE" HORSES DOWN. MY POINT IS IF THEY ARE HEALTHY (EXCLUDING MINOR INJURIES) THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE CANT BE REHOMED.

can you direct us to the number of that post please? because most of us have been talking about the horse in question and the merits of poss PTS.

 

[all about Romeo]

.. please stop shouting its making my eyes hurt ..

ok i am with you, yes it is very sad when a healthy horse gets pts .. I don't agree with it, but I would much rather pts than neglected/starved it's (sadly) not an ideal world. I wish it was!!

It could be made better though... if everyone did something small and the people who think its ok to kill because the horse no longer serves there purpose changed the way they thought, so many more horses could be saved from the horror of a bullet, going to auction or the slaughter house... even if only a few horses they are still lives saved.
It is better to be PTS then neglected and abused yes but there is another way, its not one or the other.

 

[ester]

I can't believe all the people who are so against having the horse PTS. Being PTS is not the worst thing for a horse, by any means at all.

The market is dire for horses at the moment - even young, healthy ones are struggling to sell - this is not a horse that has a bit of a quirk, it has a serious, recurring condition that has already been treated several times and keeps coming back.

In your position OP, I would have the horse PTS. I think, fwiw, you've done the right thing by the horse so far, and I wouldn't listen to the bunny huggers who are so vehemently against having a horse PTS.

?????????????? So you think its better that the poor horse DIES then has the opportunity to go to a loving home?????????

As long as you are honest with any perspective new owners about the horses condition there is a good chance someone will want to take him on even if he does end up losing his ear there is no reason why he could not be a companion horse. Don`t give up on him, it might not even come back! However you must still check on him and make sure he is not left to suffer in the wrong hands.

the post you quoted, and your post.

All with references to the horse, no mention of random unsaleable horses

 

[Amaranta]

These horses have been RESCUED from people who have neglected and abused them, not horses that are being given away... unfortunately people can be very cruel and such rescued horses need specialist care (which the average horse owner can not provide) The horses that are being pushed through sales have no history and can often be the dangerous horses that dealers and dodgy people are trying to get rid of quick including stolen horses. It is much easier to privately advertise a horse free to good home and provide full history and be a source of reliability who obviously care about the horse... that is the difference.

Good God! What planet are you living on? You really do not have a clue, there are hundreds if not thousands or horses whose owners can no longer afford to keep them, these horses are often just dumped, if they are lucky, and their owners care about them they try to rehome them, sadly the homes are just not there, there are far worse things than a humane death.

This owner is trying to do the right thing by her horse, how dare you judge her.

 

[EllenJay]

THE START OF MY POSTS WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HORSE, I WAS REPLYING TO A POST THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD PUT UP ABOUT PUTTING "UNSELLABLE" HORSES DOWN. MY POINT IS IF THEY ARE HEALTHY (EXCLUDING MINOR INJURIES) THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE CANT BE REHOMED.

In the current economic climate many much loved animals, horses, dogs, cats rabbits etc are having to be PTS - there are not enough homes for all of them, and I for one would be very reluctant to let my beloved horse, who is very late teens with arthritic hocks and rotated pedal bones in both fronts, to be "free to a good home". To keep him happy and comfortable it takes expensive shoes (don't talk about barefoot - he was for 5 years until the pedal bones rotated and then was in so much pain I had to shoe), and expensive drugs. Not many people who want a free horse want to pay out these types of costs and will want to use him regularly, which he struggles with on hard ground.

If I couldn't afford to keep him any longer then I would make the very difficult decision to PTS, because it would be far kinder to him in the long run than to palm him off on someone else.

 

[touchstone]

It could be made better though... if everyone did something small and the people who think its ok to kill because the horse no longer serves there purpose changed the way they thought, so many more horses could be saved from the horror of a bullet, going to auction or the slaughter house... even if only a few horses they are still lives saved.
It is better to be PTS then neglected and abused yes but there is another way, its not one or the other.

If there isn't a home available then I'm afraid it is one or the other. Even the charities are bursting at the seams. What is needed is an end to irresponsible breeding and the glut of poor quality horses on the market, taking one here and there out of the equation won't change the situation long term.

 

[Auslander]

?????????????? So you think its better that the poor horse DIES then has the opportunity to go to a loving home?????????

.

THE START OF MY POSTS WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HORSE, I WAS REPLYING TO A POST THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD PUT UP ABOUT PUTTING "UNSELLABLE" HORSES DOWN. MY POINT IS IF THEY ARE HEALTHY (EXCLUDING MINOR INJURIES) THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE CANT BE REHOMED.

I think you forgot about your first post here - which most certainly WAS referring to the OPs horse.

 

[all about Romeo]

No you weren't, your first post quite clearly concerns the horse in the OP And it very much appears that you are the one not reading posts as the OP quite clearly states that the sarcoid is already back and causing problems..

My line above this was in reply to the previous post, this bit that I wrote to the OP was separate, I ment with the possibility of the sarcoid coming back and him losing the ear, that It might not return again... Perhaps I didn't make it clear that the 2 lines where separate... I apologize for that oversight. However the next post I was replying to was regarding my original reply to a previous post and not about the horse in question... if that makes sense?

 

[Flame_]

THE START OF MY POSTS WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HORSE, I WAS REPLYING TO A POST THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD PUT UP ABOUT PUTTING "UNSELLABLE" HORSES DOWN. MY POINT IS IF THEY ARE HEALTHY (EXCLUDING MINOR INJURIES) THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE CANT BE REHOMED.

THERE'S LOADS OF REASONS WHY THEY CAN'T BE REHOMED, THE MAIN ONE BEING THAT THERE ARE MORE HORSES THAN HOMES. HORSES ARE EXPENSIVE TO KEEP, MOST OF THEM NEED TO BE BOTH HEALTHY AND GOOD AT SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE ON THEIR UPKEEP UNLESS THEY ARE PARTICULARLY LUCKY.

ARE YOU SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME OK?

 

[all about Romeo]

I think you forgot about your first post here - which most certainly WAS referring to the OPs horse.

I was not talking about the horse in question here... I was shocked that the person said that a horse would be better of being PTS then having the chance of a new home.

 

[rhino]

My line above this was in reply to the previous post, this bit that I wrote to the OP was separate, I ment with the possibility of the sarcoid coming back and him losing the ear, that It might not return again... Perhaps I didn't make it clear that the 2 lines where separate... I apologize for that oversight. However the next post I was replying to was regarding my original reply to a previous post and not about the horse in question... if that makes sense?

I think so, thanks for clarifying

 

[Littlelegs]

I have read all your posts on this thread thankyou. You seem to be under the illusion all the horses at sales are no good & nobody wants them. Secondly, forgetting the over breeding issue, very few are nutters, or at all dodgy. Just victims of clueless but well meaning owners who've either ruined the horse themselves, or 'rehomed' for free with nice Mr x who promises to love & care for their responsibility. Then either gets bored & passes it on until it eventually ends up at a sale. Or sends it straight there themselves. And what about the oldies at sales? Has every previous owner been dodgy? Or did someone just avoid the responsibility to either pts or retire at some point? You may well have rehomed healthy horses yourself. I've had a number of projects from bottom end sales the same who weren't lucky enough to find a home first. Plus a fab pony who 4 years ago was the miserable result of somebody 'rehoming' & it all going wrong. I understand your logic, without the capitals. However you fail to see the harsh reality of what happens to un sellable horses that are given away for free in the majority of cases.

 

[Mince Pie]

I would have thought there are the desperate owners who have been a victim of the recession and don't have the time/money to sell their horses via normal means. Family members of deceased horse owners who are not horsey and find this the easiest way of selling the horse/s...

 

[all about Romeo]

THERE'S LOADS OF REASONS WHY THEY CAN'T BE REHOMED, THE MAIN ONE BEING THAT THERE ARE MORE HORSES THAN HOMES. HORSES ARE EXPENSIVE TO KEEP, MOST OF THEM NEED TO BE BOTH HEALTHY AND GOOD AT SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE ON THEIR UPKEEP UNLESS THEY ARE PARTICULARLY LUCKY.

ARE YOU SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME OK?

So your telling me unless the horse is 100% sound in every-way and talented to have a good loving home?????? How blinkered of you!!

All my horses have been unwanted and given to me and they where all wonderful so that makes me the lucky one.

 

[Auslander]

I was not talking about the horse in question here... I was shocked that the person said that a horse would be better of being PTS then having the chance of a new home.

Rubbish!! Your first post was a response to xspiralx, who said she couldn't understand why people thought it was a bad thing to PTS the OP's horse. You quoted her, so can hardly deny it.

 

[ester]

and I quoted both of them.. and took the time to highlight