My horse is unsellable (sarcoids)

littlelegs said:
I have read all your posts on this thread thankyou. You seem to be under the illusion all the horses at sales are no good & nobody wants them. Secondly, forgetting the over breeding issue, very few are nutters, or at all dodgy. Just victims of clueless but well meaning owners who've either ruined the horse themselves, or 'rehomed' for free with nice Mr x who promises to love & care for their responsibility. Then either gets bored & passes it on until it eventually ends up at a sale. Or sends it straight there themselves. And what about the oldies at sales? Has every previous owner been dodgy? Or did someone just avoid the responsibility to either pts or retire at some point? You may well have rehomed healthy horses yourself. I've had a number of projects from bottom end sales the same who weren't lucky enough to find a home first. Plus a fab pony who 4 years ago was the miserable result of somebody 'rehoming' & it all going wrong. I understand your logic, without the capitals. However you fail to see the harsh reality of what happens to un sellable horses that are given away for free in the majority of cases.
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I never said all horses at the sales are no good & nobody wants them, I said most average horse people wont get horses from sales as the people selling them tend to be dealers, dodgy people, the horses are dangerous with no history or they have been stolen. I am trying to change peoples view of this stereotype so horses that are surpless to requirements don't get overlooked because people think "they are cheap whats wrong with them?" What I am saying is the owners can find suitable new homes for the horse and make sure they are ok (check on them, have some sort of contract, keep in touch ect) and dont need to resort to putting the horse down if it still has quality of life.
 
all about Romeo said:
So your telling me unless the horse is 100% sound in every-way and talented to have a good loving home?????? How blinkered of you!!
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Generally speaking, yes. BTW, I'm glad we've stopped shouting ;) Most people looking to buy a horse want it to do some sort of a job for them, at least for a few years before they would be prepared to retire them. Of course there are exceptions, like yourself, and if you really seek out horses to take on their expensive upkeep costs and the only thing you want in return from them is their company like with a dog, that is very admirable but it is not common. It is also very easy for crooks to claim to be like you, saying that they just want to be with and take care of unrideable horses, when actually they are planning on using them to make money by covering up their problems and selling them on as riding horses. :(

I would feel I was being irresponsible letting a horse of mine go to someone like yourself, unless I knew you personally, because how would I know if you were genuine or lying, when so many people do? I'd be happier knowing my horse died quickly at home than risk it ending up God knows where.
 
Auslander said:
Rubbish!! Your first post was a response to xspiralx, who said she couldn't understand why people thought it was a bad thing to PTS the OP's horse. You quoted her, so can hardly deny it.
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I was talking generally yes it was in reply to xspiralx with my point saying there is no reason why a horse has to be destroyed if it still has a quality of life as long as the owner takes steps to prevent it ending up being abused where possible (even sold horses can be neglected and abused) I was not directing it at the horse in question, that was my next line.
 
all about Romeo said:
?????????????? So you think its better that the poor horse DIES then has the opportunity to go to a loving home????????? :mad::mad::mad::mad:
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As long as you are honest with any perspective new owners about the horses condition there is a good chance someone will want to take him on even if he does end up losing his ear there is no reason why he could not be a companion horse. Don`t give up on him, it might not even come back! However you must still check on him and make sure he is not left to suffer in the wrong hands.
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you specifically said THE horse, not A horse, THE horse
 
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Where are all these homes then? The average person doesn't usually have the required skill to bring on a horse from dirt cheap to valuable, at least above meat value, i.e. sellable. And while I might be capable of bringing something on, I don't have either the skill or funds for expensive regular treatment to deliberately rehome an unhealthy one. And I doubt many buyers want to buy old retired horses. In all honesty, you really need to be realistic. Unfortunately there aren't enough good homes out there which only leaves pts.
 
Flame_ said:
Generally speaking, yes. BTW, I'm glad we've stopped shouting ;) Most people looking to buy a horse want it to do some sort of a job for them, at least for a few years before they would be prepared to retire them. Of course there are exceptions, like yourself, and if you really seek out horses to take on their expensive upkeep costs and the only thing you want in return from them is their company like with a dog, that is very admirable but it is not common. It is also very easy for crooks to claim to be like you, saying that they just want to be with and take care of unrideable horses, when actually they are planning on using them to make money by covering up their problems and selling them on as riding horses. :(

I would feel I was being irresponsible letting a horse of mine go to someone like yourself, unless I knew you personally, because how would I know if you were genuine or lying, when so many people do? I'd be happier knowing my horse died quickly at home than risk it ending up God knows where.
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Sorry I was just getting very frustrated that I seemed to have to be repeating myself...
I dont like the fact that so many people have the attitude of "if my horse cant do what I want it to do then Im going to have it killed"
I have ridden most of my rehomes some of which where thought to be unrideable, because I dont expect them to do something for me... They trust me because I have earned it, I look after them and in return they look after me. I have been so lucky with the horses I have had... The most rewarding was a 13.2 black fell pony who I had for many years, he was a rescue and was not expected to last more then a couple of months but I had him for 8 years! He got younger as he got older! Eventually at the age of 34 he fell ill after having a dodgy wormer and his internals shut down, I had to have him PTS :( He was an amazing little pony who I dearly miss every day. What would have happened to him if I had not have taken him? or the wild ponies I had off a slaughter man, one of which was heavily pregnant, now all pony club ponies...
I currently have an ex race horse who was given to me fresh off the track... had him 3 years and never put a foot wrong!
I know of these horrible people who deceive and lie and really feel for the poor horses and their owners (we have all heard about the poor women who loaned out her horse to find out he had been slaughtered) :mad::(:mad:
That is why if loaned out or rehomed owners must check on the horses and some form of contract...
I understand your worry of the horse falling into bad hands but so can sold horses.
There are people like me and I just feel that these horses deserve to be in a good home not destroyed.
 
"if my horse cant do what I want it to do then Im going to have it killed" I don't think anybody on this thread has expressed that attitude, so I am not sure where you are getting that from :confused: they have just suggested that it might be the right thing to do for the horse in question.
 
ester said:
"if my horse cant do what I want it to do then Im going to have it killed" I don't think anybody on this thread has expressed that attitude, so I am not sure where you are getting that from :confused: they have just suggested that it might be the right thing to do for the horse in question.
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Yes that was blunt because that`s what it basically means... (I am not just talking about people on the thread I have come across this before) If a horse that is expected to do hard work is injured and can no longer do the work required, instead of rehoming the horse as a companion or light hack some people just have it PTS... and what I am saying is there is no reason (with the right measures in place, as long as the horse still has quality of life) that the horse cant be given to someone who wants a companion or a light hack ect
 
Im sorry, but are you even reading this thread? The one about the horse with serious sarcoids which have been operated on 3 times and are still reoccurring?

I think you need to go back and read it, take in what has happened so far, what the treatments have been, and the ramifications for the reappearance of the sarcoids. No one here is cavalierly saying all horses that 'can no longer do the work required' need PTS, this is about ONE HORSE and its health issues.

I suggest you start your own thread if you want a rant about people destroying horses in general and leave the OPs thread to discuss her horse.
 
OP has the vet said anything about removing the entire ear? You have had this laser work done 3 times, that is a lot of perseverence for which you should be commended. Personally if entire removal were an option, this is what I would do. I know you have said, but what if it comes back for the nth time on the scalp? If it does, I'd seriously consider to then pts.

I shall pass on your details to trusted people I know well who might consider taking him on.
 
littlelegs said:
Where are all these homes then? The average person doesn't usually have the required skill to bring on a horse from dirt cheap to valuable, at least above meat value, i.e. sellable. And while I might be capable of bringing something on, I don't have either the skill or funds for expensive regular treatment to deliberately rehome an unhealthy one. And I doubt many buyers want to buy old retired horses. In all honesty, you really need to be realistic. Unfortunately there aren't enough good homes out there which only leaves pts.
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What do you mean? I am talking about healthy horses that the owner no longer wants or can afford to keep (including unsoundness to do hard work) I am not talking about neglected horses for average people (they should be left to more experienced people or registered rescues) an old retired horse would suit someone who wants a companion or maybe a light hack about? someone who wants something that is safe but cant afford a schoolmaster? I often find novice people who over horse themselves and ruin a good horse when they could have had a much more suitable older horse or something with an old injury that is sound doing light work...
 
You miss my point, there are few of these homes about. No way would I pass on an old horse to someone who can't afford to buy, what on earth will they do when it needs a vet, expensive food, retiring? There are odd exceptions but happy endings aren't the rule. Seriously, go round some sales & you'll see what i mean.
 
A quick update on my horse. I have been in touch with the vet that did his laser surgery & he has suggested that I try some Acicloyir cream (think thats how it's spelt). He said that it would stop the growth of tumour cells, But if that fails the only option would be more laser surgery. I have had a few people interested in him, but I feel that some people are thinking 'oooh free horse'. Especially because he is so gorgeous & such a good boy. I don't want him to just go to anyone. If he goes to a new home the new owner would have to fully understand the seriousness of his sarcoid. I have been in touch with the Lady that bred him & she said she is very interested in having him. I'm just waiting for her to get back in touch. At the moment it hasn't changed much at all so i'm hoping that it will just stay like that. His other sarcoids haven't changed.

I must say this has become a very interesting thread. Thankyou all for your replies
 
R.A.H said:
A quick update on my horse. I have been in touch with the vet that did his laser surgery & he has suggested that I try some Acicloyir cream (think thats how it's spelt). He said that it would stop the growth of tumour cells, But if that fails the only option would be more laser surgery. I have had a few people interested in him, but I feel that some people are thinking 'oooh free horse'. Especially because he is so gorgeous & such a good boy. I don't want him to just go to anyone. If he goes to a new home the new owner would have to fully understand the seriousness of his sarcoid. I have been in touch with the Lady that bred him & she said she is very interested in having him. I'm just waiting for her to get back in touch. At the moment it hasn't changed much at all so i'm hoping that it will just stay like that. His other sarcoids haven't changed.

I must say this has become a very interesting thread. Thankyou all for your replies
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Fwiw i think he sounds like a really nice horse and possibly someone else may get the sarcoids treated again i they take him on, im glad youre getting something sorted out.
 
all about Romeo said:
What do you mean? I am talking about healthy horses that the owner no longer wants or can afford to keep (including unsoundness to do hard work) I am not talking about neglected horses for average people (they should be left to more experienced people or registered rescues) an old retired horse would suit someone who wants a companion or maybe a light hack about? someone who wants something that is safe but cant afford a schoolmaster? I often find novice people who over horse themselves and ruin a good horse when they could have had a much more suitable older horse or something with an old injury that is sound doing light work...
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I have an older mare who is unsound and if i couldnt afford to keep her, id shoot her myself before id pass her on to someone " just to keep her going " theres no way pass her on to an uncertain future
 
littlelegs said:
You miss my point, there are few of these homes about. No way would I pass on an old horse to someone who can't afford to buy, what on earth will they do when it needs a vet, expensive food, retiring? There are odd exceptions but happy endings aren't the rule. Seriously, go round some sales & you'll see what i mean.
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I mean schoolmasters can fetch alot of money, I didn't mean for someone who cant afford to buy, I would not pass on an old horse either my TB will spend the rest of his life with me (he is 9) your right they are not but they should be a majority instead of a minority, hopefully one day it will be, if I could I would go to the sales and save the ones who needed and deserved it. But all I can do is keep doing what I can to help those that I come across.
 
Well done Op for remaining calm & giving well0-reasoned information despite some rediculous replies. Your boy is very lucky to be owned by you.
 
pip6 said:
Well done Op for remaining calm & giving well0-reasoned information despite some rediculous replies. Your boy is very lucky to be owned by you.
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Thanks for your nice comment. I'm just trying to be realistic. There's loads of healthy horses looking for new homes.
Thankyou all for your replies
 
R.A.H said:
A quick update on my horse. I have been in touch with the vet that did his laser surgery & he has suggested that I try some Acicloyir cream (think thats how it's spelt). He said that it would stop the growth of tumour cells, But if that fails the only option would be more laser surgery. I have had a few people interested in him, but I feel that some people are thinking 'oooh free horse'. Especially because he is so gorgeous & such a good boy. I don't want him to just go to anyone. If he goes to a new home the new owner would have to fully understand the seriousness of his sarcoid. I have been in touch with the Lady that bred him & she said she is very interested in having him. I'm just waiting for her to get back in touch. At the moment it hasn't changed much at all so i'm hoping that it will just stay like that. His other sarcoids haven't changed.

I must say this has become a very interesting thread. Thankyou all for your replies
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OP, d'you mean acyclovir? :) If so, that's zovirax cream, the same stuff you can buy in any chemist for cold sores on humans :)

FWIW, you clearly love this horse, are clearly doing everything you can to treat him and make sure he has the best possible future. Please do ignore the childlike rants of the minority on her.
 
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