NAF Pink Powder Breakdown

StinkiPinki said:
Hmmm.. what you omit to write here is that Pink Powder also has absolutely loads of vits and mins and is also packed with amino acids (check it out on the NAF website, its all there) Orange peel is extremely high in natural vitamin C , surprised you didnt know this?!

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Horses don't require supplementation of Vit C. They make it themselves. They also don't often require most vitamins or amino acids when they have access to sunlight and forage.

Minerals they do need, but the rates in PP (and most commercial products) aren't balanced or high enough to be therapeutic.
 
Lol Im not intending to promote one product over another in that sense - Iv been asked what Id use instead so I've said. I only did the break down bit because someone asked why I dislike it so thought Id explain.
 
Thanks Tigerstail for the excellent informative thread and as you rightly point out, it enables people make informed decisions.


Many many thanks x x
 
I feed Mag Ox but use Pink powder when one is stressed or on antibiotics and had very good results.
Not generally a fan of Naf products, but Pink powder is pretty useful.
 
Tbf I'm really not worried about the 'fillers' maize or weatfeed that will be included in one minute scoop. It's like me licking once a corner of a chocolate bar and saying all the bad things in the chocolate will harm me.

I've just swapped from Baileys lo cal balancer to Pink powder so it will be interesting to see if I notice any difference in my horse as he normally does very well on the lo cal but PP is cheaper and means he doesn't have such a big feed.

What would you say about the ingredients in Baileys lo cal balancer baring in mind it is aimed at laminitics?
 
If you look into most balancers they contain fillers/flavouring etc so I think this is a bit of hysteria over nothing.

It certainly won't put me off feeding Pink Powder to my 2 horses, it is doing a fab job :)
 
Firewell - ive just had a quick glance at their website and it contains molasses - NO GOOD FOR LAMI arrrrggghhhh!!!!!!!

Distillers grains could be anything, Im anally retentive as to what goes into my horse (in case anyone hadnt guessed!) so would have to email and ask what exactly that was but its going to be cereal based.

Soya is a no no for me, links to metabolic issues and you have to know its source to know if its GM free.

Calcined magnesite is an interesting one - if i remember correctly thats a fertiliser you have to put with lime?! Oberon might know?

Im not sure why they would include grassmeal in a balancer? Presumably the horse is getting grass in one form or another so adding a bit in the balancer makes little sense but shouldnt cause harm.
 
millitiger said:
If you look into most balancers they contain fillers/flavouring etc so I think this is a bit of hysteria over nothing.
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See that attitude to me is just not good enough where MY horse is concerned, same goes for the licking the chocolate bar analysis, I want the very damn best I can possibly manage for her. I am OTT about feed having had hoof issues in the past and knowing that their feet are a direct result of what you feed them etc so have done all this research for my own horse.

If people are happy to feed it once they know what theyre buying thats their choice.

Its certainly not hysteria - thats a ridiculously emotive word for what was meant to be an informative post!
 
firewell said:
Tbf I'm really not worried about the 'fillers' maize or weatfeed that will be included in one minute scoop. It's like me licking once a corner of a chocolate bar and saying all the bad things in the chocolate will harm me.

I've just swapped from Baileys lo cal balancer to Pink powder so it will be interesting to see if I notice any difference in my horse as he normally does very well on the lo cal but PP is cheaper and means he doesn't have such a big feed.

What would you say about the ingredients in Baileys lo cal balancer baring in mind it is aimed at laminitics?
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Bailey's Lo Cal.....Wheat feed (good for putting weight on horses), grass meal (not even sure what that is?), molasses (erm!), micronised soya beans (for a laminitic..why?), calcium carbonate (limestone flour - very cheap to buy), calcined magnesite (cheapest version of magnesium), distillers grains (what? for a laminitic???), sodium chloride (salt cheaper), Vitamins and minerals (ok but at what levels and balanced to what), digest prebiotic (but we don't know what it is)

The take home message here (broken record time) is that feed manufacturers LIE (or at least 'play with the truth' and mix the same ingredients in each 'new' and 'special' feed. These ingredients are often cheaper to buy from other sources and mix yourself.

There is no magic feed and no magic ingredient.

I'm often amazed by how healthy horses are, even with the diets they're fed. (I am as guilty of this as anyone - I've fed some crap in my time
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I've gone back to 'the old days' of feeding straights but with the modern twist of forage analysis and I'm so impressed with the results.

For horses that don't like feed that isn't covered in artificial sweeteners or molasses - there are things like fenugreek, dried mint, or even just Tesco's curry powder that are super cheap and still healthy for the horse.
 
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I feed Pink Powder to my mare when she goes onto spring grass - prevents her depositing sloppy doos and trapped wind. I recently recommended it to a fellow livery and she has noticed her horses poo is much improved (:eek:):D and no longer contains comparatively large pieces of undigested grain. The proof of the feeding is in the hooves and my horse has lovely feet. So there.:D
 
blazingsaddles said:
I feed Pink Powder to my mare when she goes onto spring grass - prevents her depositing sloppy doos and trapped wind. I recently recommended it to a fellow livery and she has noticed her horses poo is much improved (:eek:):D and no longer contains comparatively large pieces of undigested grain. The proof of the feeding is in the hooves and my horse has lovely feet. So there.:D
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That would be the brewer's yeast;) £4.00 for 900g
Pink Powder is £14.99 for 700g :)
 
Playing devil's advocate...

TigerTail said:
Maize - a cereal which horses arent designed to digest. Low in fibre,high in starch, the opposite of what we want to be feeding horses.[/COLOR]

Hmmm whilst they weren't evolved to digest any cereals, they can do, especially in the form and quantities fed in pink powder.
Whey protein powder - whey its whats left over from dairy products, something else horses arent designed to eat. Yes it has protein content so good in that sense but again not something id expect to feed to a horse and not have digestive issues. No real benefit.[/COLOR]

Again, not evolved to eat this but there are studies that suggest that the horse is able to digest a small amount of milk product.
Whey Powder - See whey protein powder above, listed a second time to pad out the ingredients list?! Same problems now doubled!

No problems if you don't mind the fact that you're feeding your horse something they weren't evolved to, but can, eat. Which plenty of people do feed ;)

Wheat Protein - similar problem to whey, though this at least obtained from a plant not dairy - but that plant is a cereal. Higher in protein than Maize.

Again, evolved vs can eat... and in these quantities this just wouldn't concern me personally.


As always READ THE LABELS and do your own research into what you want to spend your money on and what you think is going to best help your horse.

PS the above all applies to your dog food.......

And some might argue most importantly into your own food! ;)
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nuttychestnutmare said:
I've spent most of this week looking up different multivitamins/supplements for horses and trying to work out which would be best to feed in terms of rda's and other things.

which makes do you prefer? :)
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I know you're not asking me, but if you're wanting to make sure your horse is receiving the right levels of vitamins and minerals you're better off for peace of mind and quite often financially, getting your forage analysed and supplimenting only those which need it. As Oberon says:

Oberon said:
it's not about one magic ingredient, it's about looking at the whole diet.
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Oberon said:
Minerals they do need, but the rates in PP (and most commercial products) aren't balanced or high enough to be therapeutic.
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This I can vouch for, I did an in-depth case study on a mare recently who was supplemented with Pink Powder. Her combined grass + forage + feed + pink powder mineral levels were horrendously imbalanced, and in quite a few cases not meeting minimum requirements. Changing the amount of Pink Powder fed did not significantly improve matters.

Oberon said:
Don't get me started on alfalfa
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*Pokes Oberon a bit* .. I have an aversion to alfalfa, so would love to hear your thoughts on it to see if I have similar thinking to you! :D
 
blazingsaddles said:
But I would miss the pretty packaging and the sweet ickle spoon that comes with it.;):cool:
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Would just like to add that I'm bitching about feed companies.....while drinking a bottle of Chocolate Shop red wine (that's red wine with EXTRA sugar and made to taste like chocolate
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The only thing I will say in reply is one thing..It appears to work...!
We feed it and it's been brilliant at getting weight on horses who lose condition.
If you read all the feedsack and supplement labels it's highly likely you will find something you don't approve of. Me, I prefer to look at the condition of the horses we have, that's the true test.
 
Oberon said:
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Would just like to add that I'm bitching about feed companies.....while drinking a bottle of Chocolate Shop red wine (that's red wine with EXTRA sugar and made to taste like chocolate
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We all know it doesn't matter what we eat as long as our precious ponies have the best :)

I've had a packet of Nik Naks a packet of Quavers and some lemon drizzle cake for dinner washed down with red wine.
 
Lol Oberon sounds like a good fri night!

Devils Advocate ( your name was too long to remember!) on your point about evolved to eat Vs can eat - since introducing man made products et al into the horses diet we've seen a huge rise in metabolic syndrome and the like. I for one cannot afford the vets bills and trauma that goes with that so keep things as natural as I can manage in the hopes of not perpetuating a well known issue.

Its the same as humans who eat mcdonalds all the time then end up with diabetes etc.

For me, im my horses voice and I want perfection - I realise that isnt always possible so I do my damndest to make sure I strive for it everyday!
 
Hmm interesting read! I am just about to run out of pink powder, what would the best alternative to be (especially for a horse with slightly 'sloppy' poo!)?
Would it be the pro hoof supplement+ yea-sacc? would she also need a vitamin/mineral supplement or would this be supplied by the pro hoof?
 
samlf said:
Hmm interesting read! I am just about to run out of pink powder, what would the best alternative to be (especially for a horse with slightly 'sloppy' poo!)?
Would it be the pro hoof supplement+ yea-sacc? would she also need a vitamin/mineral supplement or would this be supplied by the pro hoof?
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The main, helpful, ingredients of PP are brewer's yeast and magnesium. Brewer's yeast is just a bacteria aid for the gut and magnesium is essential for over 300 actions in the body.
These are available much cheaper elsewhere than NAF.
I've actually abandoned Brewer's Yeast in favour of Yea-sacc (more expensive but I use less of it) after supplies of BY became sporadic last year.

Re Pro Hoof, it has a digestive aid in it and it's designed to be fed alongside forage as a complete diet. Just mix it into something neutral (like Fast Fibre or unmolassed beet or a hay/straw chaff) and that should be all you need.
If you want more shine for the coat (as well as gut muculage and joint health) then add micronised linseed - wonderful stuff. All the goodness of Dr Green without the sugar:)
 
Oberon said:
The main, helpful, ingredients of PP are brewer's yeast and magnesium. Brewer's yeast is just a bacteria aid for the gut and magnesium is essential for over 300 actions in the body.
These are available much cheaper elsewhere than NAF.
I've actually abandoned Brewer's Yeast in favour of Yea-sacc (more expensive but I use less of it) after supplies of BY became sporadic last year.

Re Pro Hoof, it has a digestive aid in it and it's designed to be fed alongside forage as a complete diet. Just mix it into something neutral (like Fast Fibre or unmolassed beet or a hay/straw chaff) and that should be all you need.
If you want more shine for the coat (as well as gut muculage and joint health) then add micronised linseed - wonderful stuff. All the goodness of Dr Green without the sugar:)
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That's great thanks very much! So the best option would be the pro hoof+ micronised linseed (she is quite poor at the moment so definitely needs some form of conditioning feed), and the digestive aid in the pro hoof should mean I wont need to add extra probiotic?
 
samlf said:
That's great thanks very much! So the best option would be the pro hoof+ micronised linseed (she is quite poor at the moment so definitely needs some form of conditioning feed), and the digestive aid in the pro hoof should mean I wont need to add extra probiotic?
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I'd imagine so but you are welcome to add BY or Yea-sacc alongside. That won't do any harm at all.

If she's poor then Fast Fibre and unmolassed beet would put weight on (slowly) without messing up her gut. Please try to avoid alfalfa if possible:)
If energy is required, then a small cup of oats would help (don't worry, it won't send her nuts).
 
Makes you wonder how horses survived before all this rubbish was put in front of us. Did use seaweed supplement for a while and stopped, guess what my horses coats are still as shiney and they haven't changed at all in their behaviour.
 
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